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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Looking organize Religio group and hold Oublic
From:	Karen Blackburn <Karen-Julia@mail.ie>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:10:20 -0800 (PST)

I live in Ireland and would be very interested in learing more/joing a Religio group that is fairly local. I would not be able to attend all public rituals but would love to learn more. If you decide to start up a group let me know.
Julia Vespasia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Tribunician Statement
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:00:55 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Tribunes of Nova Roma
>
> This is a draft do any of you have ANY problems with any of this?
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum

Ex officio Tribuni plebis Marcus Marcius Rex Omnibus S.P.D.

In reply to the question posed by the right honourable Curator
Differum, the Tribune majority after some discussion has agreed to
issue the following opinion:

According to the constitution of Nova Roma the ultimate reponsibility
for financial matters lies with the Senate. In its recent session the
Senate adopted among other issues the following paragraph in a
Senatus Consultum (please refer to the relevant Senate report
published by the Tribunes for more details):

"c/ The Curator Differum is free to find other ways to finace the
Eagle, among others he has the permission to sell mugs with the Nova
Roma Flag on them, with one hundred percent of the funds going to the
Eagle. This will have to be done without any start up funds and the
Curator will not be free to place any orders for mugs until he has
orders for them in hands."

Based on this and based on the Lex Labiena de edictium vigintisexviris
(http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2001-04-07-ii.html) the
Tribunes of Nova Roma can find no immediate constitutional or other
legal impediment for the issuance of the proposed text as an edictum:
It is a long term policy and authority on the financial side has been
granted by the Senate.

I have to point out however, that the Tribunes are not bound by the
Constitution to uphold this opinion in the event that the proposed
text is issued as an edictum. It is however a clear indication how
they plan to handle the issue.


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A bit of help: TYPICALLY ROMAN DESIGNS
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:19:17 +0100

>
> There two Imperial Eagles in sculpture, one with wings folded, the
> other,
>
> wings outstretched.
>
> However, I must point out that Romans did not tattoo. That was a
> barbarian
>
> custom
>
> that originated with the Skythians, and was adopted by the
> Germans. It was
>
> never common
>
> or even approved among Romans.
>
>
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
>
>
> Not only that, dear Fabius. They considered it as something "useless
and senseless".
By the way, Picts and many Celtic Britons were tattooed too.

antonius adrianus urcitanus
>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Communities
From:	"austrolopithicus_robustus" <austrolopithicus_robustus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:40:41 -0000

Hello,

How many of you have working Roman communities? For example,
weekly gatherings in your respective localities.

Thanks in advance, Austro

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LUDI MEGALESIA CHARIOT RACES
From:	"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@telefonica.net>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:26:16 -0000

Citizens!

Nova Roma organizes chariot races during the Megalesia Festival
April 4-10, 2003, in recollection of the roman customs of amusement
and entertainment.
The races on the Circus wait for yours teams. Prepare your whips,
it´s time for running!
The public waits for you chariots. If you win, you will receive a
nice prize and the recognition of the members of your Factio and the
whole citizenship.
On the sand of the Circus, you can be a rabid red, a dangerous blue,
a furious green or a terrifying white.

Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the victory in the Ludi
Megalesia!!

The inscription ends on March 31. (Maximum 32 players)

Inscription in: Piteas@telefonica.net

You must send:

1.Your Roman name
2. Names of your driver and chariot.
3. Factio (russata, veneta, praesina or albata)
4. Tactics number for quarters and semi-finals.
5. Tactics number for the final.

The possible tactics are:

1) To hurry in the last laps
2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus
3) To support a constant pace
4) To lash the rivals
5) To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
6) To hurry in the straight lines

6. Dirty actions against a rival Factio (If you want)

For more information read the rules in
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/chariotraces.htm

Salix Galaicus
Caput oficcinae ludorum (Scribe of the races)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Patronage and the Eage
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:48:00 -0500

Romans!!! Romans!!! Romans!!! Romans!!!

Here is the new and Senate and Consular Approved Patronage Program !!!!!

In the ongoing effort to make sure The Eagle pays its own way and is not
a drain on the Nova Roma treasury. And in the hope that The Eagle will be
the best Roman issue newsletter in the world !!!

BUY A MUG The mugs sell for $7.00 plus $1.50 postage. Please send mug orders to me at
Eagle Mugs 5496 Ross Court, New Market, Maryland 21774

If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have to do
is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.

Clines (client) Level I 50.00 Donation
Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00 Donation
Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00 Donation
Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation

"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question

If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.

If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a ONE year
subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a special
certificate on your patron level.

If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a ONE year subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"

If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a ONE year
subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a special
certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron mug naming you "
a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a special drawing of the Nova
Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's resident artist.

If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a ONE year
subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a special
certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron mug naming you "
a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a special self portrait by the
Eagle's resident artist and an issue dedicated to YOU.

PLEASE make checks payable to the Nova Roma Eagle and send to the same address as the Mugs

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Equirria
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:51:51 -0500

The Equirria
The Festival of Mars
pridie III Idus March

This day (NP), is for special religious observance.
This day had a religious and military significance, and rites were performed involving purification of the army. This day is sacred to Mars and was a festival day. This is the second Equirria, the first being on February 27th. Horse races were also held on this day, on the Campius Martius, the field of Mars.
Mamurius, the old Mars, was often associated with, and honored, on this day. A scapegoat was driven out of the city on this day, symbolic of expelling the old and bringing in the new.
The month of March belongs to the warlike Mars, the deity who personifies the protection of the state and the productivity of the community. This is the forteenth day of the Festival of Mars. The spectacle of the priests of Mars carrying shields while leaping and dancing through the streets of Rome would continue this day.
On this day, the day before the traditional first full moon of the new year, a man dressed in goatskins would be ceremonially chased out of the city in a rite of purification.
In 190 BCE a solar eclipse was seen in Rome this day, but the Roman Calendar had fallen so far adrift that they called this day July 11th.

Today is a "dies nefastus publicus" (NP), a day of special religious observance when legal business cannot take place.

Today is the Equirria, nother horse-racing festival in honour of Mars similar to the Equirria of February 27th.

This day was also dedicated to Mamurius, and so it was also called the Mamuralia [Philocalus and Menologia calendars]. Mamurius is a mysterious name, which is mentioned in the 'carmen' of the Salii [Varro, De Lingua Latina, 6.59]. Mamurius Veturius was the name of the smith ordered by Numa to forge the copies of the 'ancile' that fell from heaven [Festus, De Verborum Significatione, on 'Mamuri Veturi'][Plutarch, Numa, 13.6]. But it can also be the Etruscan name for god Mars. On this day, "the Salii beat a skin like a smith beats metal" [Servius, Vergilii Aeneidos, 7.188]. This is
corroborated by Minucius Felix [Minucius Felix, Octavius.24.3]. Lydus, on the other hand, says that on the Idus (which is probably an error for March 14th) a man dressed in skins was beaten with rods and driven out of the city, with shouts of 'Mamurius' [Lydus, De Mensibus, 4.49]. He also gives a not very clear explanation that this rite commemorated the story that the smith Mamurius was driven from the city because misfortune befell the Romans when they changed the use of the shields (an expulsion or Mamurius to Oscan territory may be also implied in [Propertius, Sexti Properti Elegiae, 5.2.61]). (Thanks to Pontifex Graecus)

In The Golden Bough, Sir James Frazer describes a Roman custom which he says took place on March 14th, of driving a man clad in skins, out of the city, by beating him with long rods, made of branches with the bark peeled off. The man was called Mamurius Veturis, or Old Mars, and Frazer speculates that he represented the old year. He then bases this assumption on the date of the festival which he says took place on the day before the first full moon of the old Roman year (which began on March 1st). It seems what he means is that an old lunar holiday, celebrated on the 14th day of the first lunar month of the year, was later transferred to the solar date of March 14th.
Frazer, Sir James, The New Golden Bough, Abridged, New American
Library 1959

Bene omnibus nobis

Valete, Lucius Equitius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Feel the fragrance of Love
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:06:54 -0500

I agree that this type of advertising is inappropriate for the NR mainlist although there was certainly some interracial marriage going on in the Empire.

F Gal Aur Sec

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta -- Roman News and Archeology
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:30:47 -0800 (PST)

Salvete!

The latest Roman news at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

Come on!!

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A little bit of omens behind the ides of march...
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:31:05 -0300 (ART)

Inspiration for tomorrow,

"Certainly destiny may easier be foreseen than avoided, considering the strange and wonderful signs that were said to be seen before Caesar's death."

>From PLUTARCH, LIFE OF IULIUS CAESAR

LX. But the chiefest cause that made him mortally hated was the covetous desire he had to be called king: which first gave the people just cause, and next his secret enemies honest colour , to bear him ill-will. This notwithstanding, they that procured him this honour and dignity gave it out among the people that it was written in the Sybilline prophecies, 'how the Romans might overcome the Parthians, if they made war with them and

were led by a king, but otherwise that they were unconquerable.' And furthermore they were so bold besides, that, Caesar returning to Rome from the city of Alba, when they came to salute him, they called him king. But the people being offended, and Caesar also angry, he said he was not called king, but Caesar. Then every man keeping silence, he went his way heavy and sorrowful. When they had decreed divers honours for him in the Senate, the Consuls and Praetors, accompanied with the whole assembly of the Senate, went unto him in the marketplace, where he was set by the pulpit for orations, to tell him what honours they had decreed for him in his absence. But he, sitting still in his majesty, disdaining to rise up unto them when they came in, as if they had been private men, answered them: 'that his honours had more need to be cut off than enlarged.' This did not only offend the Senate but the common people also, to see that he should so lightly esteem of the magistrates of the commonwealth: insomuch as every man that might lawfully go his way departed thence very sorrowfully. Thereupon also Caesar rising departed home to his house, and tearing open his doublet-collar, making his neck bare, he cried out aloud to his friends, 'that his throat was ready to offer to any man that would come and cut it.' Notwithstanding it is reported, that afterwards, to excuse his folly, he imputed it to his disease, saying, 'that their wits are not perfit which have this disease of the falling evil , when standing on their feet they speak to the common people, but are soon troubled with a trembling of their body, and a sudden dimness and giddiness.' But that was not true, for he would have risen up to the Senate, but Cornelius Balbus one of his friends (or rather a flatterer) would not let him, saying: "What, do you not remember that you are Caesar, and will you not let them reverence you and do their duties?"

(...)

LXIII. Certainly destiny may easier be foreseen than avoided, considering the strange and wonderful signs that were said to be seen before Caesar's death. For, touching the fires in the element, and spirits running up and down in the night, and also the solitary birds to be seen at noondays sitting in the great market-place, are not all these signs perhaps worth the noting, in such a wonderful chance as happened? But Strabo the philosopher writeth, that divers men were seen going up and down in fire: and furthermore, that there was a slave of the soldiers that did cast a marvellous burning flame out of his hand, insomuch as they that saw it thought he had been burnt; but when the fire was out, it was found he had no hurt. Caesar self also

doing sacrifice unto the gods, found that one of the beasts which was sacrificed had no heart: and that was a strange thing in nature, how a beast could live without a heart. Furthermore there was a certain soothsayer that had given Caesar warning long time afore, to take heed of the day of the Ides of March, (which is the fifteenth of the month), for on that day he should be in great danger. That day being come, Caesar going unto the Senate-house, and speaking merrily unto the soothsayer, told him, "the Ides of March be come :" " so they be," softly answered the soothsayer, " but yet are they not past." And the very day before, Caesar, supping with Marcus Lepidus, sealed certain letters, as he was wont to do, at the board: so, talk falling out amongst them, reasoning what death was best, he, preventing their opinions, cried out aloud, " death unlooked for." Then going to bed the same night, as his manner was, and lying with his wife Calpurnia, all the windows and doors of his chamber flying open, the noise awoke him, and made him afraid when he saw such light: but more, when he heard his wife Calpurnia, being fast asleep, weep and sigh, and put forth many fumbling lamentable speeches: for she dreamed that Caesar was slain, and that she had him in her arms. Others also do deny that she had any such dream, as, amongst other, Titus Livius writeth that it was in this sort: the Senate having set upon the top of Caesar's house, for an ornament and setting forth a of the same, a certain pinnacle, Calpurnia dreamed that she saw it broken down, and that she thought she lamented and wept for it. Insomuch that, Caesar rising in the morning, she prayed him, if it were possible, not to go out of the doors that day, but to adjourn the session of the Senate until another day. And if that he made no reckoning of her dream, yet that he would search further of the soothsayers by their sacrifices, to know what should happen him that day. Thereby it seemed that Caesar likewise did fear or suspect somewhat, because his wife Calpurnia until that time was never given to any fear and superstition: and that then he saw her so troubled in mind with this dream she had. But much more afterwards, when the soothsayers having sacrificed many beasts one after another, told him that none did like them: then he determined to send Antonius to adjourn the session of the Senate.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Latina Google
From:	"D.Boyle" <dbboyle@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:51:38 -0500

Salvete Romans,

This is for all the google lovers.

Google w/ Latin interface (standard search)
http://www.google.com/intl/la/

Google w/ Latin interface (advanced search)
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=la

Since this is not new, I'm sure many of you are already using this. But I
felt such a powerful search utility w/ a great interface would be worth
noting again.

Valete,

Equestria Iunia Laeca

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Communities
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:36:56 -0000

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Robuste.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "austrolopithicus_robustus"
<austrolopithicus_robustus@y...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How many of you have working Roman communities? For example,
> weekly gatherings in your respective localities.
>
>
> Thanks in advance, Austro

In Madrid (Matritum or Mantua Carpetanorum, at your choice) we meet
quite often. Some of us even have lunch together on a weekly basis,
although we try to have larger meetings every month or so. I would
like to meet more often, but everyone is very busy :-).

The idea of local groups has been floating for a while in Nova Roma.
I think that it is the natural next step for Nova Roma, so I support
it very strongly. Imagine what kind of things we could do if we were
more organised on a local level: religious ceremonies, Latin
discussions, live courses on Roman history, discussions on Roman
literature, and yes, Roman *parties* ;-).

I know that our consules are preparing a legislative draft to help us
organise those local groups as Novoroman institutions. I can hardly
wait to see the results :-).

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A bit of help: TYPICALLY ROMAN DESIGNS
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:52:42 EST

In a message dated 3/14/03 12:22:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
urcitanus@terra.es writes:

> Picts and many Celtic Britons were tattooed too.
>

Picti means painted. I always thought that this meant that they painted the
designs
on their bodies, not imbed them under the skin.

Q. Fabius Maximus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Communities
From:	"austrolopithicus_robustus" <austrolopithicus_robustus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:00:47 -0000

Thank you very much for your reply, Astur. And wish you and everyone
at Nova Roma good luck in this endeavour!

Sincerely, Austro

>
> In Madrid (Matritum or Mantua Carpetanorum, at your choice) we meet
> quite often. Some of us even have lunch together on a weekly basis,
> although we try to have larger meetings every month or so. I would
> like to meet more often, but everyone is very busy :-).
>
> The idea of local groups has been floating for a while in Nova Roma.
> I think that it is the natural next step for Nova Roma, so I support
> it very strongly. Imagine what kind of things we could do if we were
> more organised on a local level: religious ceremonies, Latin
> discussions, live courses on Roman history, discussions on Roman
> literature, and yes, Roman *parties* ;-).
>
> I know that our consules are preparing a legislative draft to help us
> organise those local groups as Novoroman institutions. I can hardly
> wait to see the results :-).
>
> CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Communities
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:33:11 -0000

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Robuste.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "austrolopithicus_robustus"
<austrolopithicus_robustus@y...> wrote:
> Thank you very much for your reply, Astur. And wish you and everyone
> at Nova Roma good luck in this endeavour!

You are welcome :-).

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

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