Forum Romanum


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] NAMUACHIAE!!!
From:	"L. Didius Geminus Sceptius" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:28:04 +0100

Salvete omnes !!

What are you waiting for?

Scared of the salty sea?

Afraid of being sunk?

Do you want to live forever...?

Join the Naumachiae !! It is not too late for it !! Subscriptions are still opened at sceptia@yahoo.es or visiting the page at http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/naumachiae.htm

Those are the current and brave participants:

ROMAN TEAM CARTHAGINEIAN TEAM
=========== ==================
C. Minucius Scaevola Gn. Salix Galaicus
C. Curius Saturninus F. Apulus Caesar
T. Labienus Fortunatus M. Constatinus Serapio
M. Iulius Perusianus
G. Vipsanius Agrippa
T. Annaeus Otho

Of course all want to serve under the Eagles, but what about Dido's sons? Give the Carthagineians a chance to change the History !!!
There are still empty slots for new players... fill them with courage and brave will !!

vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

- SINK AND SING WHILE KILLING THEM AT... NAUMACHIAE !!! -

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Thoughts on those who serve...
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:19:06 -0600

Salvete

> In effort of amicitia to all parties, I should like to present two
> poems I wrote about service. The first is to those who don their
> country's uniform. The second is to those who stay home.

In the past, I've said that I feel that Piperbarbus Ullerius is one of
the best people that Nova Roma has to offer. I'm saying it again. And
I'm sure it won't be the last time.

Multas gratias tibi ago, mi Venator.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Sodalis Familiaris
From:	"C" <scriptor@s-mail.com>
Date:	Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:22:00 -0800

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Salvete,

The Sodalis is back up and running ....

http://www.geocities.com/cas_the_author/sodalis

Pax,
Seia Silvania Atia
Founder & Priestess of Juno

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] It's Started!
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:54:19 -0600

Well,it looks the war has started. There have been Cruise Missile
strike's on the outskirts of Bagdad. The President is going to speak in
about 10-15 minutes.

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

--
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] War and Minerva
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:27:24 -0500

It seems that the war has begun. It seems somehow fitting that if it
had to begin, that beginning would come on the Quinquatria, the
festival of Minerva.

Normally this festival would be celebrated by students and teachers,
musicians and poets, weavers and makers of clothing. Yet Minerva is
also a goddess of war, specifically of strategy.

On this night, I have made offerings of incense to Her, with prayers
for all who serve in their nations' military forces, that they may
return home safely and soon, and for the leaders of my country, that
they may act with wisdom and mercy. I invite you to join me in these
prayers, to whatever Power guides your faith.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: NR list and war
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:48:33 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, casca@p... wrote:
> Salve Decius Iunius Palladius

Salve Gai Urse Casca,

> > Discussion of the war has remained relatively calm and I am not
> > disappointed with the deportment of our citizens in this forum so
> > far.
>
> On the contrary, discussion has been both heated, and at times
>quite offensive. If you are not cognizant of this, please reread
>all email to the main list for the period of the last 36-hours.

Thank you for your email and for sharing your concerns. Please notice
that in my original message that I said discussion has
remained "relatively calm." You cannot expect things to remain placid
during such a crisis. There is a war being waged as we speak (the
shooting started several hours ago), and citizens have strong
opinions on what is going on. People are going to discuss this no
matter what, I was just making it clear that there are some limits on
discussion. I think it vital now, more than ever, to allow free
speech to continue. People may find other's views on the war
offensive but I do not think we should regulate offensive opinions,
only offensive behavior (and we have specfic list guidelines in place
that govern this, please see the files section).

> >As praetores we have elected to have a relatively hands off
> > policy this year, allowing the citizens to choose what topics are
> > discussed in this forum and the direction those discussions take.
I
> > am convinced it is a wise choice.
>
> In most cases I agree.
>
> This is not one of those "most cases", though, and I would
>recommend that, as you state below, the praetores have the power to
regulate discussion, the praetores might also find it in their power
to make a discussion list separate from the main list to let cives
discuss and argue their views among themselves.

I agree there are other lists connected with Nova Roma that are even
more suited to completely open discussion, most notably the Back
Alley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/ (it is where I will
discuss the war as I do not feel it is appropriate as praetor to take
any side in such a sensitive discussion on this list). I encourage
people to take their more heated discussions there for no holds
verbal combat (be warned, anything goes there). That being said,
other lists are only marginally effective. This is the Roman Forum
and people are going to discuss the main topics of the day here. The
war is the main topic of the day, as it was during the war against
Serbia in 1999 and people will want to discuss this with fellow
Romans.

> As has been stated repeatedly here, Nova Roma is a macronation. It
>is not part - thank the gods - of the United Nations, nor does it
>supply troops (as a macronation) to any side of this war.

Actually, Nova Roma is a micronation, not a macronation, and
naturally has no troops(except sponsored reenactment units).

> These discussions, and in some cases recriminations, should not be
>a part of this main list.

I disagree. The Forum is where Romans gather to hold discussions
about subjects of concern to them. Sometimes it will be about the
Aeneid, sometimes it will be about a war in which some of our
citizens are taking an active part. This list is not confined to
Roman only topics, sometimes other subjects will come to the fore.

> > As praetores though, we retain the power to regulate discussion
on
> > this list, though I hope that remains unecessary.
>
> I saved this for last, as you apparently do *not* regulate - in any
form - discussion on this list.
>
> It has been repeadedly asked that replies be <snipped> for the sake
>of brevity. During the past 24-hours one citizen, using
>his "LaSalle" email address, has repeatedly and blatently spammed
>this list with his "signature", which is both inane and an
>advirtisement for his law office.
>
> When replies, to replies, to replies of his email gather, that
signature alone can fill up a mail box.

I will admit that large unsnipped emails are rude but I do not think
one can generally regulate manners. However, we will examine this
issue again.

> Yet last evening, he constantly sent one line messages, knowing
>that his "spam" would come with each and every one.
>
> Praetores, it might behoove you to start that "regulation" you
>blandly speak about.

If you see specific instances in which you observe a citizen
personally insulting another citizen, using foul language or in any
other way breaking list regulations, please contact us. I am quite
sure we may miss a particular instance from time to time. However, if
you mean forbid discussion of the war, I do not believe that is in
Nova Roma's best interests unless such discussions threaten the very
fabric of the state. I am of the opinion we can discuss sensitive
subjects without Nova Roma herself being endangered. Besides, I am
not sure of the legality of it. To quote II.B.4 of the Constitution,
it is the right of citizens to:

"...participate in all public forums and discussions, and the right
to reasonably expect such forums to be supported by the State. Such
communications, regardless of their content, may not be restricted by
the State, except where they represent an imminent and clear danger
to the Republic. Such officially sponsored forums may be expected to
be reasonably moderated in the interests of maintaining order and
civility."

Vale,

In Service to Rome,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Praetor


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: NR list and war
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:48:30 -0000


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] MEGALESIA CULTURAL AWARD '56
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:37:30 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

MEGALESIA CULTURAL AWARD '56
Contest of epigrams

Rules:
--------------------------------
1) The literary award "Megalesia Cultural Award '56" is supported by
Nova Roma and organized by the Cohors Aedilis of Senior Curule
Aedile Franciscus Apulus Caesar in collaboration with the Junior
Curule Aedile Illustrus Gnaeus Equitius Marinus. It is open to all
the citizens of Nova Roma. The task of the contest is to write an
EPIGRAM (short poem) about Nova Roma, Ancient Rome or related
anything. We suggest you to

2) The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed by
a maximum of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants
can participate with just _one_ work. It isn't allowed to be a
member of a group and participate as a individual at the same time.
Entries must be written in English or Latin. If an epigram is
written in Latin, an English translation must be provided along with
the Latin text.

3) Each text must have the following facts about the participant(s):
Nova Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province age, e-mail address.

4) The deadline to send own work is 28th March, 2003 (2756 a.u.c.),
by e-mail to gawne@cesmail.net [Gnaeus Equitius Marinus] with the
subject "Megalesia epigram".

5) The texts will judged by a Jury composed by Illustri Magistrates
of our Res Publica and experts of Literary issues

Each judge in the jury shall value each work following this table of
judgement:
- Metre (0-10 points)
- Roman historical references (0-10 points)
- Language (0-5 points)
- Poetry and/or dramatization and/or satire(0-5 points)
- Romanitas and roman values (0-10 points)

5 a) The points from all judges are summarized and this sum will
decide who will win.

5 b) The judgements of the jury are un-impugnable.

6) The winner of the Megalesia Cultural Award '56 wins the right to
have her/his/their work designed in a next Ludi, the issue of the
text at the Cohors Aedilis Website - Section Ludi and at the Main
Mailing List of Nova Roma.

7) The texts will be archived by the Ludi organization. The
participants give the copyrights of their text to Nova Roma
accepting this regulation. This Regulation is accepted by taking
part of the Megalesia Cultural Award '56 contest.

8) The winner shall be announced on the Cohors Aedilis Website -
Section Ludi and at the Nova Roman Main Mailing List during the
Megalesia Ludi from 4th to 10th April.

Informations:
- Megalesia c/o Cohors Aedilis - Section Ludi:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi
- Senior Curule Aedile Franciscus Apulus Caesar:
sacro_barese_impero@libero.it
- Junior Curule Aedile Gnaeus Equitius Marinus: gawne@cesmail.net

P.S.: Thank you very much, Marinus, for your help and support: this
is your!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] It's Started!
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:42:43 +0100

Salvete,

I just have 4 words to say about the current problems, which I think was
coined in the sixties by the hippies. Anyway, it still applies to today:

MAKE LOVE NOT WAR

It's much more pleasant, reduces stress, less messy, less noisy, certainly
less expensive and the best yet: no one gets killed. Let's hope that this
conflict ends quickly and that there are minimal casualities on both sides
of the fence.

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
<humms 'Let there be Peace on Earth' in an effort to apply a bit of
sympathetic magic>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Latest press conference from the White House
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:21:26 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

> Both CNN and FOX have reported France has over 60 _BILLION_ dollar's
> invested in Iraq(most of it in the Oil business). That's
> why they are against a war.

This is untrue. Iraq is worth 0.3% of France commercial revenues. This is far to be 60
billions...

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gallia and taxes
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:16:40 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

you may know that I have been in a difficult time for the last four monthes. Fortunately,
the situation improves. My health is somewhat better and I have secured a job in Paris. I
will move alone there in April. My family will follow in July. So for the time being, I
will be even less active until I settle down. I hope that this will not be too much of a
problem and I apologize for any inconvenience. I thank everybody for the patience and the
support that have been shown.
Concerning the taxes for Gallia, I will not be able to gather any of them. If you want to
send the taxes in Euros in Europe, I suggest to contact Illustrious Cnaeus Octavius
Noricus at: cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at
Thank you very much for your attention.

j'ai eu de nombreux problèmes ces derniers temps mais heureusement la situation
s'améliore. Je me porte mieux et j'ai aussi sécurisé un emploi à Paris. Je devrais m'y
rendre en Avril, ma famille me rejoindra en Juillet. Je serai donc bien moins actif que
je ne l'ai été et ce pour quelques temps. J'espère que cela ne causera pas trop d'ennuis
et je m'en excuse d'ors et déjà. Je vous remercie pour votre support et votre patience.
En ce qui concerne les taxes, je ne pourrai pas les collecter, aussi pour les citoyens
désireux de payer en Euros en Europe, je suggère de rentrer en contact avec Illustrious
Cnaeus Octavius Noricus à: cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at
Merci pour votre attention.

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] It's Started!
From:	"Vestinia, called Vesta" <optia_vesta@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:27:32 -0800 (PST)

And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
Mars...

--- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:08:02 -0800

Ave,

It might be untrue....but I do not believe the following is untrue. The cited sources is www.kfi640.com:

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
PACKAGE---FRANCE IRAQ RELATIONSHIP

INTRO: By now you know about France's intractable position with regards to the UN Security Council vote. It will veto this current resolution which calls for war with Iraq. France has taken the lead position in opposing the US and Britain with regards to taking out Saddam Hussein. The question is why? To understand the French/Iraq relationship you have to look to the past.

HISTORY: Let's start back at 1958. More than a decade has passed since the end of WWII and the globe is separated into two super powers.the US and the Soviet Union. French President Charles de Gaulle is busy trying to set up the Fifth Republic.a political group dedicated to the rebirth of France as a world power. One of the methods to achieve this is to make friends with Third World nations. During the late 50's and early 60's, De Gaulle developed good relations with several nations in Africa. In time, these contacts enabled France to make new friends in the Arab world. De Gaulle stated to a French politician: "Don't you see we have traded Grandpa's empire for the much broader empire of the future, and the limited oil of the Sahara for the much more plentiful oil of Arabia?"

THE ARAB CONNECTION: While most of the Arab nations were under monarchies .Iraq's government had been overthrown by revolutionaries. The French exploited this opportunity by warming up to then Iraqi regime. One of the men instrumental in this relationship was a guy called Jacques Benoist Mechin.a French historian and military expert. He was very familiar with the Middle East and a confidant to most Arab leaders..BUT his ties to Iraq were the strongest. Benoist-Méchin told President De Gaulle: "Iraq really is the key to your Arab policy. Its oil reserves are second only to Saudi Arabia's. And the most reliable people in Iraq are the Baathists."

SADDAM IS IN: It is now 1969. President DeGaulle resigns and Saddam Hussein begins his ruthless ascent to power in the Baath party. The contacts and relationships developed by Benoist Mechin thru out the 60's begin to pay off in the 70's. That's when Saddam Hussein made the acquaintance of Jacques Chirac.

In 1974, then French Premier Chirac traveled to Baghdad to meet Iraqi VICE-president Saddam Hussein. During that visit, Chirac and Hussein conducted negotiations on a range of issues, the most important of these being Iraq's purchase of nuclear reactors.

In September 1975, Hussein traveled to Paris, where Chirac personally gave him a tour of a French nuclear plant. During that visit, Chirac said, "Iraq is in the process of beginning a coherent nuclear program and France wants to associate herself with that effort in the field of reactors."

France sold two reactors to Iraq, with the agreement signed during Hussein's visit. The Iraqis purchased a 70-megawatt reactor, along with enough weapons-grade uranium to produce three to four nuclear devices. Baghdad also purchased a one-megawatt research reactor, and France agreed to train 600 Iraqi nuclear technicians and scientists -- the core of Iraq's nuclear capability today.

France also agreed to sell Iraq $1.5 billion worth of weapons -- an integrated air defense system, about 60 Mirage F1 fighter planes, surface-to-air missiles and advanced electronics. The Iraqis, for their part, agreed to sell France $70 million worth of oil.

During this period, Chirac and Hussein formed what Chirac called a close personal relationship. In 1987, the Manchester Guardian Weekly quoted Chirac as saying that he was "truly fascinated by Saddam Hussein since 1974." That fascination continued thru the decades.

COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIPS: It is now 1981. Iraq's nuclear reactor is destroyed by the Israeli's and Iraq goes to war with Iran. Newly elected French President Francois Mitterand continues the relationship with Iraq..betting that Iraq will win the war and therefore become the dominant power in the Middle East! Mitterrand eventually agrees to resume and even upgrade French cooperation with Iraq, both supplying weapons and entering into industrial partnerships. However, Saddam was bad business. By 1989, when the Iraq-Iran war ended. about $10 billion worth of French arms had been delivered to Iraq. Saddam had paid less than $5 billion of the bill. (NOTE: Iraq-related orders accounted for about half of all French arms production.)

A couple of years later in 1991.when Iraq invaded Kuwait.the French had to re-evaluate their support of Saddam AGAIN. The majority of French people.across the political spectrum. stood by Iraq. (French defense minister, Jean-Pierre Chevènement, resigned from the cabinet rather than condone military intervention. An even larger share of the public was inclined to neutrality.) Mitterrand, however, decided to be practical than to hold on to his ideals. Even after engaging in last-minute negotiations with Baghdad, France joined the American-led international coalition for the liberation of Kuwait. It was obvious to Mitterand that Iraq was no match for the United States and that France's old strategy made no sense now that the Cold War was over and the Soviet Union was disintegrating. It no longer served the national interest of France to challenge America, but to be among the winners and so have a say in the final settlement, whatever it might be.

THE PROBLEMS TODAY: SO.in the 12 years between the end of the first Gulf War til the present .France has been a solid supporter of the US in other international events.such as Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan. The rationale is still to be seen as a peer of the one and only superpower--and incidentally to keep in touch with the superpower's ever-improving military technology and training.

Right now, France confronts an ironic situation. After the first Gulf War, Saddam was allowed to survive. The only sensible response for the French was to keep their distance. Now that George W. Bush, is serious about getting rid of Saddam.France is trying to hinder that.

Partly because of Chirac's history with Saddam.or because of France's growing Islamic population.or because France wants to emerge as a world player by taking on the strongest power on earth.

SOURCE: Weekly Standard

----- Original Message -----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Latest press conference from the White House

Salvete,

> Both CNN and FOX have reported France has over 60 _BILLION_ dollar's
> invested in Iraq(most of it in the Oil business). That's
> why they are against a war.

This is untrue. Iraq is worth 0.3% of France commercial revenues. This is far to be 60
billions...

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] It's Started!
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:08:49 -0800

Ave,

For us non-Pagans, what is the difference?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Vestinia, called Vesta
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] It's Started!

And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
Mars...

--- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:22:46 -0000

Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war! This
war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...

But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess Nêmesis and the
three Furies strike back (once more punishing)... bringing Fobos and
Deimos at hand...

L. Arminius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vestinia, called Vesta"
<optia_vesta@y...> wrote:
> And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
> Mars...
>
> --- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@p...> wrote:
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman bridges in the world
From:	"Marcus Iulius " <m_iulius@virgilio.it>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:29:30 +0000

Avete omnes,

As I'm trying not to think about sad news coming from TV, radio or internet
news, I send to you this list of a Roman bridges.
I built this list in a wider project to classify all the Roman minuments
in the world. I really hope to complete it also with your information, advice
and other news:
who knows other bridges?
In this list I'm enlisting only bridges that still present at least one
entire/visible arch becouse otherwise it would be much longer.

At the moment I've found these ones:

Bridges in Italy:
Place Province
--------------------------------------
Allai OR
Aosta AO
Ascoli AS
Bastardo PG
Blera VT
Bognanco NO
Bologna BO
Cagli PG
Canosa BA
Cantiano PS
Capo Caccia SS
Carsulae TR
Ceniga TN
Fermignano PS
Fertilia OR
Finale Ligure SV I della Val di Ponci
Finale Ligure SV II della Val di Ponci
Finale Ligure SV III della Val di Ponci
Finale Ligure SV IV della Val di Ponci
Finale Ligure SV V della Val di Ponci
Foligno PG
Fontanavecchia BN
Fossato di Vico PG
Genga AN
Isernia IS
Ivrea TO
Lamon BL
Lanuvio RM
Massa Martana PG
Narni TR
Narni TR
Narni TR
Padova PD
Paduli BN
Palino FG
Pamparato CN
Passo Corese RI
Paternò CT
Pieve Fanonica PG
Pont St.Martin AO
Pontericcioli PS
Porto Torres SS
Portogruaro VE
Pullopices SV
Quiliano SV Ponte Superiore
Quiliano SV Ponte superiore
Riccione RN
Rieti RI
Rimini RN
Roma RM
Roma RM
Roma RM
Roma RM
S.Antioco CA
S.Arcangelo di Romagna RN
S.Maria Capua Vetere CE
S.Marinella RM di Largo Impero Aurelia (km 60,4)
S.Marinella RM di via Roma Aurelia (km 60,7)
S.Marinella RM delle Vignaccie Aurelia (km 62,3)
Scheggia PG
Sessa Aurunca CE
Spoleto PG
St.Vincent AO
Tiarno di Sotto TN
Tivoli RM
Tivoli RM
Verona VR
Vulci VT

bridges in France:

Armchair FRA
Bonneaux FRA
Conques FRA
Gard FRA
Jaujac FRA
Notre Dame de la Gorge FRA
Nyon FRA
Saint Chamas FRA
St Leger FRA
St. Thibery FRA
Vaison-La-Romain FRA

Bridges in Spain:

Alcantara ESP
Allariz ESP
Avila ESP
Calahorra ESP
Cangas de Onis ESP
Carmona ESP
Castronuevo ESP
Ciudada Rodrigo ESP
Colmenar del Arroyo ESP
Cordoba ESP
Cuenca ESP
Logroño ESP
Maderuelo ESP
Merida I ESP
Merida II ESP
Molina de Aragona ESP
Orense ESP
Salamanca ESP
Trespuentes ESP

Other countries:
Place Country
--------------------------------
Adiyaman TUR
Akkopru TUR
Aleppo SIR
Antigonea ALB
Aspendos TUN
Badl AUS
Bignasco SVI
Cendere TUR
Chaves POR
Chemtou TUN
Covide POR
Gesher ISR
Jerash SIR
Leuk SVI
Maalmetayn LBN
Maastricht HOL
Mellor GBR
Nahar Ibrahim LBN
Nahr el-Kalb LBN
Ponte de Lima POR
Rubiaes POR
Sarajevo BOS
Tarvin GBA
Tavira POR
Treviri GER
Verzasca SVI

As usual, any type of help is appreciated.
Valete

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
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Scriba Aedilis Historicus Primus
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:32:03 -0800

Ave,

So instead they would favor a strict war of conquest? Is that what your saying? Or are you just opposed to stopping a dictator who has flouted the UN. My opinion is not that he is the worst, I do not know who is the worst offender, its just that is a fact.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Arminius Faustus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!

Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war! This
war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...

But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess Nêmesis and the
three Furies strike back (once more punishing)... bringing Fobos and
Deimos at hand...

L. Arminius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vestinia, called Vesta"
<optia_vesta@y...> wrote:
> And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
> Mars...
>
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>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] MEGALESIA CHARIOT RACES
From:	"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@telefonica.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:50:59 -0000

Citizens!
Nova Roma organizes chariot races during the Megalesia Festival
April 4-10, 2003, in recollection of the roman customs of amusement
and entertainment.
The races on the Circus wait for yours teams. Prepare your whips,
it´s time for running!
The public waits for you chariots. If you win, you will receive a
nice prize and the recognition of the members of your Factio and the
whole citizenship.
On the sand of the Circus, you can be a rabid red, a dangerous blue,
a furious green or a terrifying white.

Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the victory in the Ludi
Megalesia!!

We're now 17, but the Goddess Cybele needs 15 more on the sand for a
good Ludi.

Join in!

The inscription ends on March 28. (Maximum 32 players)

Inscription in: salixgalaicus@hotmail.com

You must send:

1.Your Roman name
2. Names of your driver and chariot.
3. Factio (russata, veneta, praesina or albata)
4. Tactics number for quarters and semi-finals.
5. Tactics number for the final.

The possible tactics are:

1) To hurry in the last laps
2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus
3) To support a constant pace
4) To lash the rivals
5) To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
6) To hurry in the straight lines

6. Dirty actions against a rival Factio (If you want)

For more information read the rules in
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/chariotraces.htm

Salix Galaicus
Caput oficcinae ludorum (Scribe of the races)


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] MEGALESIA GLADIATORIAL COMBATS (2nd call)
From:	"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@telefonica.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:52:39 -0000

Citizens!

Nova Roma organizes gladiatorial combats during the Megalesia
Festival on April 4-10, 2003, in recollection of the roman customs of
amusement and entertainment.
The Ludi Megalesia are here and the sand of the amphitheatre waits
for the blood of yours gladiators. The name of the champion and that
of his/her owner will remain recorded in the collective memory of our
city and in the web page of the Ludi.
Send your warriors and fight for the glory of the victory in the Ludi
Megalesia!!

The inscription ends on March 31. (Maximum 32 players)

Inscription in: salixgalaicus@hotmail.com

You must send:

1. Your roman name.
2 Name of your gladiator and type.

Choose among these types:

RETIARIUS
HOMOPLACHUS
MURMILLO
THRAEX
SECUTOR
DIMACHAERUS

3. The tactics number for octaves and quarters.
4. The tactics number for semifinals and final.

Choose among these three tactics:

1) "Defensive"
2) "Total attack"
3) " Yourself "

Good Luck, citizens!!

For more information read the rules in
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/gladiatoria.htm

Salix Galaicus
Caput oficcinae ludorum


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] MEGALESIA CHAIROT RACES (2nd call)
From:	"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@telefonica.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:54:18 -0000

Citizens!
Nova Roma organizes chariot races during the Megalesia Festival
April 4-10, 2003, in recollection of the roman customs of amusement
and entertainment.
The races on the Circus wait for yours teams. Prepare your whips,
it´s time for running!
The public waits for you chariots. If you win, you will receive a
nice prize and the recognition of the members of your Factio and the
whole citizenship.
On the sand of the Circus, you can be a rabid red, a dangerous blue,
a furious green or a terrifying white.

Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the victory in the Ludi
Megalesia!!

We're now 17, but the Goddess Cybele needs 15 more on the sand for a
good Ludi.

Join in!

The inscription ends on March 28. (Maximum 32 players)

Inscription in: salixgalaicus@h...

You must send:

1.Your Roman name
2. Names of your driver and chariot.
3. Factio (russata, veneta, praesina or albata)
4. Tactics number for quarters and semi-finals.
5. Tactics number for the final.

The possible tactics are:

1) To hurry in the last laps
2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus
3) To support a constant pace
4) To lash the rivals
5) To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
6) To hurry in the straight lines

6. Dirty actions against a rival Factio (If you want)

For more information read the rules in
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/chariotraces.htm

Salix Galaicus
Caput oficcinae ludorum (Scribe of the races)


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:11:26 -0000

Ave, consular,

I was suficient clear on my post. I´ll reply by the great
consideration I have for your friendship, but personally to not put
gas on the fire.

Ate rules this war. And Nemesis are waiting. That is what I fear.
Deimos will reign.

L. Arminius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> So instead they would favor a strict war of conquest? Is that what
your saying? Or are you just opposed to stopping a dictator who has
flouted the UN. My opinion is not that he is the worst, I do not
know who is the worst offender, its just that is a fact.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lucius Arminius Faustus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:22 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
>
>
> Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war!
This
> war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...
>
> But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess Nêmesis and
the
> three Furies strike back (once more punishing)... bringing Fobos
and
> Deimos at hand...
>
> L. Arminius
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vestinia, called Vesta"
> <optia_vesta@y...> wrote:
> > And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
> > Mars...
> >
> > --- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@p...> wrote:
> >
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Latest press conference from the White House
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:13:23 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

this story would be the same with countries like Germany, the Netherlands, Russia,
Britain and of course the States. They all supported Saddam in the past.

Scipio

--- "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> It might be untrue....but I do not believe the following is untrue. The cited sources
> is www.kfi640.com:
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> PACKAGE---FRANCE IRAQ RELATIONSHIP
>
> INTRO: By now you know about France's intractable position with regards to the UN
> Security Council vote. It will veto this current resolution which calls for war with
> Iraq. France has taken the lead position in
> opposing the US and Britain with regards to taking out Saddam Hussein.
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:06:38 -0000

Salve Sulla,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> For us non-Pagans, what is the difference?

It wasn't a religious comment I don't believe. Think of it as the
symbolism of Western civilization. War under Minerva means war with
wisdom and consideration for the innocent. Your comment is analogous
to someone saying that non-pagans shouldn't care that if justice is
blind, because they don't believe in the goddess Justice.

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:11:49 -0800

Ave,

My question was that I did not know the difference between Mars and Minerva, in terms of their view of war. It was a question of clarification for the sake of learning the difference.

I honestly did not know the difference in Minerva and Mars. I would like to know more about it.

I hope this clarification is understandable.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: deciusiunius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:06 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!

Salve Sulla,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> For us non-Pagans, what is the difference?

It wasn't a religious comment I don't believe. Think of it as the
symbolism of Western civilization. War under Minerva means war with
wisdom and consideration for the innocent. Your comment is analogous
to someone saying that non-pagans shouldn't care that if justice is
blind, because they don't believe in the goddess Justice.

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman bridges in the world
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:24:41 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Iulius " <m_iulius@v...>
wrote:
> Avete omnes,

Salve Marce Iuli,

> As I'm trying not to think about sad news coming from TV, radio or
internet
> news, I send to you this list of a Roman bridges.
> I built this list in a wider project to classify all the Roman
minuments
> in the world. I really hope to complete it also with your
information, advice
> and other news:
> who knows other bridges?
> In this list I'm enlisting only bridges that still present at least
one
> entire/visible arch becouse otherwise it would be much longer

Thank you for posting this list. Do you know how many of these
bridges are intact and being used, if only for foot traffic?

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:39:45 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> My question was that I did not know the difference between Mars and
Minerva, in terms of their view of war. It was a question of
clarification for the sake of learning the difference.
>
> I honestly did not know the difference in Minerva and Mars. I
would like to know more about it.
>
> I hope this clarification is understandable.

My sincere apologies, I misconstrued the gist of your original
comment. I should take my own advice and read and reread before
responding to a message.

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] This made my day, hope it brightens your day also
From:	"julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:13:50 -0000

Julilla Sempronia Magna omnibus SPD

I may have mentioned to some amicii that I have done three classroom
presentation to 10-12 year-old students who are studying ancient Rome
andf preparing a major district-wide presentation which I will attend
next Monday night. I dressed in my stola, palla and carbatina (a
style of footwear) and brought many reproduction items (strigil,
pressed glass cups, jewellery, Nova Roma vexillum and coins and my
lararium. The students were deeply interested, and I allowed them
plenty of time to ask questions. All in all, a most satisfying way to
promote interest in Roman culture!

Yesterday, I received a packet of thank you notes from each student,
and I'd like to share a few with you:

"Thank you for coming in to teach us more about Ancient Rome. I
really enjoyed how fluently you spoke Latin. I learned a lot from
your visit and liked how you told us about the clothing. Thank you
for coming and teaching us. Sincerely, JR"

"Thank you for coming to Sunnyslope [school name]. I truly do think
the Roman culture is fascinating. Vale! AZ"

"I loved learning more about Roman Religion. I am amazed at how you
got all that stuff from Rome. KJ"

"Thanks for coming and teaching us about Rome. I thought it was most
interesting hearing about Rome coins....what you taught me was most
interesting and I will charish (sic) it forever like you do. Most
faithful learner, CM"

"I would like to thank you for coming to our 5th grade newsroom class
to help us better understand the culture and event of ancient Rome. I
was really interested in learning about the Vestel (sic) Virgins. And
for my narative I chose to take the role of a girl chosen to be a
Vestel Virgin. O thought you gave a spectacular performance and very
factual. You made me realise how fascinating Ancient Rome is and I am
looking forward to learning more about this wonderful place. Ihope I
have the privalige to see you again. Sincerely yours, HF"

I cannot tell you how gratifying it is to -- even in a small way --
catch the imaginations of young people and make them excited about
history. If we are to continue to flourish in the next generation, I
heartily recommend sharing your time and talents with the young
people in your community. Believe me, you will likely get as much out
of the experience as they!

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
||||


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Gods of War
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:42:14 -0500 (EST)

Hmmmmmmm!!! I too, like Senator Sulla, was curious about just exactly
what was meant by the rather concise statements regarding the religious
figures of the Roman Religio, what they stand for individually, why they
were mentioned in regard to the war, why two will not bless the war, and
why one will, and what relation eac figure has to the war. In short, I
am curious as to the historical meaning of such a comment, as it was
placed on the Main List without a great deal of explanation.

Since I have been assured by one of the Praetors that the Main List is a
place of discussion of many topics of interest, not to exclude
macronational concerns, I choose to ask the above questions, as I have a
historical interest in the Religio Romano.

I should therefore be interested in a full explanation of this concise
remark, together with appropriate references for possible further study.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The Gods of War
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:39:55 US/Central

Salvete

> Hmmmmmmm!!! I too, like Senator Sulla, was curious about just exactly
> what was meant by the rather concise statements regarding the religious
> figures of the Roman Religio, what they stand for individually, why they
> were mentioned in regard to the war, why two will not bless the war, and
> why one will, and what relation eac figure has to the war. In short, I
> am curious as to the historical meaning of such a comment, as it was
> placed on the Main List without a great deal of explanation.

I assume you mean the following statement given by L Arminius:
"Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war! This
war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...

"But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess Nêmesis and the
three Furies strike back (once more punishing)... bringing Fobos and
Deimos at hand..."

Individually, the Gods and Goddesses mentioned stand for:
Minerva: wisdom, the arts, science, medicine, and war
Mars: fertility, the land, and war
Ate: rash behavior, blind impulse, and infatuation
Hybris: lack of restraint and insolence
Temis (Themis): custom and law, the divine order
Nemesis: divine justice and vengeance, She punishes the wicked
Furies: vengeance, They relentlessly punish sinners
Fobos (Phobos): terror
Deimos: fear

In the Greek pantheon, Phobos and Deimos are brothers who follow in Ares'
train. Their Latin equivalents, Fuga and Timor, follow Mars.

So, I interpreted L Arminius' statement to be a firm condemnation of the
current war. He appears to think it is foolish, and that it will lead to a lot
of problems down the road because it is unjust. I hope that he will correct me
if I'm wrong.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] The Gods of War
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:53:50 +0100

Salvete dearest Sulla and Audens,

Just as a quick explanation: Ares (the Greek version of our Roman Mars) was
a God of War who just loved bloodshed and fighting no matter who it was.
Basically, the more gore the better.
Minerva on the other hand wisely uses the machinery of war as a means to an
end.

Just for the record though, I wasn't the one who brought up which God or
Goddess was influencing this war, but I do know which God I would *like* to
have influence on this war: Cupid. If Bush were to be shot by Cupid's arrow
as he was glancing in the direction of Saddam Hussein, they would become
enamoured of eachother and figure out a way to work things out peacefully
:-)

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
(who keeps hoping the Earth will become like it is portrayed in Star Trek)

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] It's Started!
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:24:36 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be>
>
>MAKE LOVE NOT WAR
>
>It's much more pleasant, reduces stress, less messy, less noisy, certainly
>less expensive and the best yet: no one gets killed. Let's hope that this
>conflict ends quickly and that there are minimal casualities on both sides
>of the fence.
>
Considering the change in political outlook since those faraway blessed days, I recently updeated it to Make Love, not Profit.

"Corporation: An ingeous device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility" - Ambrose Bierce.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The Gods of War
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:03:55 EST

Moravia said
"And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
Mars..."
Arminius answered
"Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war! This
war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...

But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess Nêmesis and the
three Furies strike back (once more punishing)... bringing Fobos and
Deimos at hand... "

Minerva and Mars were arbitrators of a the "just" and legal war. Early
Romans had a whole formulae on how to declare war. They had a whole
priesthood devoted to the task.
A war overseen by Minerva would be compassionate, and the war would have
limited aims.
A war overseen by Mars would be for vengeance and result in the destruction
of the enemy.
Arminius refers to lack of their blessing to this war be an unjust war. One
where neither presides.
Ate is the God of blind impulse, Hybris represents no restraint, in other
words greed.
Arminius say that these are overseers of this war, caused by a group of men
who have
not been very honorable in their pursuit of this war.
Temis or Themis is the God of custom and law. Since these have been broken
by a "unjust" war there must be consequences, Nemesis the Goddess of
vengeance will see to this. She will call on the Furies, the punishers to
carry it out. They will be aided by Fuga or Phobos which is terror, Timor or
Deimos represents fear.

While I am loath to put words in another man's mouth this is the broad
strokes of a
curse. I'm sure it is not meant in this way, though curses are a time
honored Roman tradition.
Lucius Arminius does not approve of this which was started for the wrong
reason. And he believes there will be a time of troubles for both sides
during and after.

Q. Fabius Maximus
Pontiff

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:32:40 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : “L. Cornelius Sulla“ <alexious@earthlink.net>
>
>Or are you just opposed to stopping a dictator who has flouted the UN.

Non video quo modo GUU impedare potest.

Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started!
From:	Gnaeus Octavius Noricus <cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:10:39 +0100

Caesariensis wrote:
>Non video quo modo GUU impedare potest.

impedare or impedari?
--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at
20.03.2003 23:10:10


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] The Gods of War
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:37:39 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be>
>
>have influence on this war: Cupid. If Bush were to be shot by Cupid's arrow
>as he was glancing in the direction of Saddam Hussein, they would become
>enamoured of eachother and figure out a way to work things out peacefully
>:-)
>
Qualis ibi pensare perhorribile est! Not necessarily in an case: Cupid also fired Lead arrows of detestation that we hear a lot less about.
I'm struck by the literal translation of both Cupido and Kaama (their Indian cousin) meaning Desire/Lust/ Grab, whereas I believe the Greek Erows implies much more Excitement/Enthusiasm/Pleasure. Interesting matter of cultural outlook perhaps where Greece did not have as much effect onm Rome as might have done.

Caesariensis

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] It's Started!
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:44:21 -0500

Salve,

On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:24:36PM +0000, me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> >From : Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be>
> >
> >MAKE LOVE NOT WAR
> >
> >It's much more pleasant, reduces stress, less messy, less noisy, certainly
> >less expensive and the best yet: no one gets killed. Let's hope that this
> >conflict ends quickly and that there are minimal casualities on both sides
> >of the fence.
> >
> Considering the change in political outlook since those faraway
> blessed days, I recently updeated it to Make Love, not Profit.

I find that I'm happily secure in the knowledge that your little /bon
mot/ will never catch on with the general public. There's nothing wrong
with taking a profit; I would have little beyond pity for a person who
produces neither valuable results nor useful consequences as an outcome
of their actions. Unless you mean something wildly different from the
standard definition of the word, I can't see how the idea could ever
appeal to anyone - other than, say, a boss intent on driving his workers
like slaves for minumum or no pay.

Now, "Make love _and_ profit" - that I find quite appealing. Let's see,
if I put the bed on casters and attach a linear generator, then sell the
power back to the state... Hmmm. Excellent idea. People would make love
more often and with more enthusiasm: "just think, Martha - a few more
wild nights like this, and we'll have enough for that new Mercedes!"

I'd share the profits from the idea with you, but, well, you know - I'd
hesitate to violate your beliefs, so...

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Quidquid id est, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes.
Whatever this may be, I fear the Greeks even when they're bringing gifts.
-- Vergil, "Aenis. The priest Laokoon's warning when seeing the Trojan horse."