| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] The Gods of War |
| From: |
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:59:11 -0800 (PST) |
|
I like the idea about Saddam getting shot by the arrow instead.
MBA
Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:Salvete dearest Sulla and Audens,
Just as a quick explanation: Ares (the Greek version of our Roman Mars) was
a God of War who just loved bloodshed and fighting no matter who it was.
Basically, the more gore the better.
Minerva on the other hand wisely uses the machinery of war as a means to an
end.
Just for the record though, I wasn't the one who brought up which God or
Goddess was influencing this war, but I do know which God I would *like* to
have influence on this war: Cupid. If Bush were to be shot by Cupid's arrow
as he was glancing in the direction of Saddam Hussein, they would become
enamoured of eachother and figure out a way to work things out peacefully
:-)
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
(who keeps hoping the Earth will become like it is portrayed in Star Trek)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Digest No 507 Re: It's Started! |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:15:46 -0500 |
|
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus SPD
"Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war!"
This remark of Lucius Arminius Faustus betrays a personal opinion rather
than an objective one.
Actually Mars, in various aspects, is very appropriate. Minerva as well
since it is wise to learn from the past, and we all hope that the Iraqis
will
see the wisdom of surrendering Saddam.
I've made offerings to Mars to protect us all in these troubled times,
terrorist not
caring who may be present when they attack (men, women and children from
very many nations being present in the World Trade Towers, a tourist
attraction as well as a business center).
The following is my opinion should anyone give a fig...
First of all, Iraq signed a cease fire in which they agreed to certain
conditions. One of these was to disarm themselves of all weapons of
Chemical, Biological and Nuclear components. They failed to do this even
though they were given 12 YEARS! and 17 United Nations resolutions, thus
Iraq is in breach of the cease fire and therefore the "Gulf War" is still
ongoing. Anybody else remember that they did invade Kuwait where they raped,
pillaged and plundered?
We should have done this when they kicked out the UN inspectors in 98'!!
Romans don't look kindly on treaty breakers!
Also, We have already seen that the liar Saddam has set Iraq oil ablaze, in
direct contradiction to his assertion to Mr. Rather that he would 'never do
such a thing.' Too, they've used missiles that they declared they didn't
have.
The days of President Carter standing by, doing nothing, while American
citizens suffer insult and injury are over. We have a leader now who says
what he means and means what he says. We're going after terrorist and those
who harbor and support them. Saddam clearly supports terrorist, his 'reward'
of cash for suicide bombers being the most obvious example.
For the neigh sayers who are concerned that we will "enflame" the Arab
world, those who hate us have already decided to hate us. Just as those who
have hated Bush have decided that no matter what he does is wrong. Witness
Sen. Daschle support of Clinton in Bosnia yet he condemns Bush for the same
action now, hypocrite!
Is it an accident that those countries who most oppose the actions of the
United States
don't seem to have suffered many 'terrorist attacks'?
For those who say that the United States will suffer from the "international
community", I say we've found out who are friends are and who we can no
longer trust. Actions speak louder than words, eh Chirac?
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:22:46 -0000
From: "Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Subject: Re: It's Started!
Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war! This
war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...
But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess Nêmesis and the
three Furies strike back (once more punishing)... bringing Fobos and
Deimos at hand...
L. Arminius
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vestinia, called Vesta"
<optia_vesta@y...> wrote:
> And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
> Mars...
>
> --- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@p...> wrote:
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest No 507 Re: It's Started! |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:31:38 -0800 (PST) |
|
Well said Lucius Equitius!
I Normally don't make me too posts, but I'll make an
exception this time.
oderint dum metuant
--- Lucius Equitius <vergil@starpower.net> wrote:
> Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus SPD
>
> "Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to
> bless such war!"
> This remark of Lucius Arminius Faustus betrays a
> personal opinion rather
> than an objective one.
>
> Actually Mars, in various aspects, is very
> appropriate. Minerva as well
> since it is wise to learn from the past, and we all
> hope that the Iraqis
> will
> see the wisdom of surrendering Saddam.
>
> I've made offerings to Mars to protect us all in
> these troubled times,
> terrorist not
> caring who may be present when they attack (men,
> women and children from
> very many nations being present in the World Trade
> Towers, a tourist
> attraction as well as a business center).
>
> The following is my opinion should anyone give a
> fig...
>
> First of all, Iraq signed a cease fire in which they
> agreed to certain
> conditions. One of these was to disarm themselves of
> all weapons of
> Chemical, Biological and Nuclear components. They
> failed to do this even
> though they were given 12 YEARS! and 17 United
> Nations resolutions, thus
> Iraq is in breach of the cease fire and therefore
> the "Gulf War" is still
> ongoing. Anybody else remember that they did invade
> Kuwait where they raped,
> pillaged and plundered?
> We should have done this when they kicked out the UN
> inspectors in 98'!!
> Romans don't look kindly on treaty breakers!
>
> Also, We have already seen that the liar Saddam has
> set Iraq oil ablaze, in
> direct contradiction to his assertion to Mr. Rather
> that he would 'never do
> such a thing.' Too, they've used missiles that they
> declared they didn't
> have.
>
>
> The days of President Carter standing by, doing
> nothing, while American
> citizens suffer insult and injury are over. We have
> a leader now who says
> what he means and means what he says. We're going
> after terrorist and those
> who harbor and support them. Saddam clearly supports
> terrorist, his 'reward'
> of cash for suicide bombers being the most obvious
> example.
>
> For the neigh sayers who are concerned that we will
> "enflame" the Arab
> world, those who hate us have already decided to
> hate us. Just as those who
> have hated Bush have decided that no matter what he
> does is wrong. Witness
> Sen. Daschle support of Clinton in Bosnia yet he
> condemns Bush for the same
> action now, hypocrite!
>
> Is it an accident that those countries who most
> oppose the actions of the
> United States
> don't seem to have suffered many 'terrorist
> attacks'?
>
> For those who say that the United States will suffer
> from the "international
> community", I say we've found out who are friends
> are and who we can no
> longer trust. Actions speak louder than words, eh
> Chirac?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:22:46 -0000
> From: "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
> Subject: Re: It's Started!
>
> Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless
> such war! This
> war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...
>
> But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess
> Nêmesis and the
> three Furies strike back (once more punishing)...
> bringing Fobos and
> Deimos at hand...
>
> L. Arminius
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vestinia, called
> Vesta"
> <optia_vesta@y...> wrote:
> > And if we can't have peace, let us make war under
> Minerva, not
> > Mars...
> >
> > --- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@p...> wrote:
>
>
>
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] It's Started! |
| From: |
Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:12:30 -0800 (PST) |
|
In peace that nothing so bestills a man as modest stillness and Humility
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger
Stiffen the sinews, conjure up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard favoured rage
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect.....
That is all that I have to say.....my men wait and so does the call to arms and battle.
Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote: Salvete,
I just have 4 words to say about the current problems, which I think was
coined in the sixties by the hippies. Anyway, it still applies to today:
MAKE LOVE NOT WAR
It's much more pleasant, reduces stress, less messy, less noisy, certainly
less expensive and the best yet: no one gets killed. Let's hope that this
conflict ends quickly and that there are minimal casualities on both sides
of the fence.
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
<humms 'Let there be Peace on Earth' in an effort to apply a bit of
sympathetic magic>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: It's Started! |
| From: |
"Livia Cornelia Hibernia" <lindaw@san.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:47:46 -0000 |
|
Salvete,
AH! "Henry V", one of my favorite of Shakespear's plays. The Kenneth
Brannagh (sp?) production was incredible. *I* wanted to storm the
breach in the wall when he finished that "Once more unto the breach
dear friends..." speach. The "Saint Crispin's" day speach is rather
rousing too.
Any way, The Bard aside, the only quote that came to my mind last
evening was "Alea iacta est".
Valete,
Hibernia
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Scott <optio456@y...> wrote:
>
> In peace that nothing so bestills a man as modest stillness and
Humility
> But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
> Then imitate the action of the tiger
> Stiffen the sinews, conjure up the blood,
> Disguise fair nature with hard favoured rage
> Then lend the eye a terrible aspect.....
> That is all that I have to say.....my men wait and so does the call
to arms and battle.
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Coins |
| From: |
"Tiberius Antonius Romulus" <chrismidwestwisconsin@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:14:59 -0000 |
|
I'm just curious on others experience. I ordered coins a little
while ago and haven't heard anythimg about it since, including
confirmation. Has anyone else recently bought/received them?
Tiberius Antonius Romulus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] The Factiones Symbols Contest |
| From: |
"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@telefonica.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:20:20 -0000 |
|
Citizens!
The factiones of the circus look for their symbols. Every team needs
its nice flag or logo which identifies its personality and assembles
all the members of its color under its proud shadow.
Therefore the Aedilis Curulis F. Apulus Caesar proposes a contest for
the citizenship:
The Factiones Symbols Contest.
1. Create yours designs on symbols for the factiones and send to
piteas@telefonica.net. The deadline is 1st April.
2. You can do logos for each factio or only a design for one. The
files can be gif, jpg, bmp or png in higher resolution.
3. All the designs will be showed in the "files" archive of each
factio mailing list during the Ludi Megalesia (4-10 April) in order
that the members vote the best design for their loved color. In case
of tie, the vote of the Domini will have double value.
The links to the factiones mailing lists are:
Albata: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factio_albata/
Russata: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/russata/
Veneta: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta/
Praesina: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/
4. The elections of each factio symbol will be only in the mailing
list of each factio.
5. The four more voted symbols will be the official symbols of each
factio of the circus.
6. The authors of the winning designs will be nominated honor members
of the factiones by their Domini.
Gn. Salix Galaicus
Caput officinae Ludorum Aedilis Curulis
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman bridges in the world |
| From: |
"Marcus Iulius Perusianus" <m_iulius@virgilio.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:18:55 -0000 |
|
Ave Deci Iuni,
> Thank you for posting this list. Do you know how many of these
> bridges are intact and being used, if only for foot traffic?
>
you're welcome, amice. My basic principle is that they should have at
least en entire arch to be considered in this list. Also I'm thinking
about having a minument height because I should then include
probably some hundreds of them (there're so many small bridges
especially here in Italy and in Spain) crossing also little streams.
So my answer is yes, in this list are enrolled bridges that are
intact, maybe not joining two banks yet. Among them I know a lot of
them which are still in use, most of them only for pedestrians (see
Aelius Bridge leading to Mausuleum Adriani- St. Angel Castle, Rome)
but other still used for road or highways (i.e. as just written by a
Spanish citizen, a bridge in Martorell,Spain)!
Vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: The Gods of War |
| From: |
"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:22:47 -0000 |
|
Salve, consular pontifex, F. Maxime!
As ever, you got exactly the point! Not a curse, but a deep worry. My
opinion is not secret (and even my government says the same as many
around the world). The war was a mistake (Ate) and a desire to show
power (Hybris), it violates the international right of the countries
(Temis), it is generating a lot of angryness and anti-USA feelings,
not only on the political and economical, but also spiritual plan
(Nêmesis). There will be counter-strikes against the US (Furies) to
take vengeance, (there is lots of people around the world feeling
threatened with US decision, Latin America as well), the vengeance
will be taken by the Al-Qaeda and others terrorist groups doing the
worst attacks on US land, sparing fear and terror (Fobos and Deimos),
maybe activating the pre-sept 11 terrorist network. Many politic
analists are doing this analisys. Feed, the vicious circle of
violence will sadly only grow and grow and grow...
Yes, optimus pontifex, no one is accursing, the curse we throw over
ourselves with our decisions. I hope this too pessimistic view is
wrong, I deeply hope, I have many good friends on US, they do not
need to suffer by the sins of the government... the people of Iraq
as well.
I myself continue to pray for Concordia and Pax on my lararium. (By
the way: http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/aedes/aedes.html )
But as I said once, on these bad days, even the desire of peace is
charged as shameful! Forgive me, warriors of the sands, if I want to
close the gates of the Temple of Ianus... or never let them open!
L. Arminius Faustus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> Moravia said
> "And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
> Mars..."
> Arminius answered
> "Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war!
This
> war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...
>
> But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess Nêmesis and
the
> three Furies strike back (once more punishing)... bringing Fobos
and
> Deimos at hand... "
>
>
> Minerva and Mars were arbitrators of a the "just" and legal war.
Early
> Romans had a whole formulae on how to declare war. They had a
whole
> priesthood devoted to the task.
> A war overseen by Minerva would be compassionate, and the war would
have
> limited aims.
> A war overseen by Mars would be for vengeance and result in the
destruction
> of the enemy.
> Arminius refers to lack of their blessing to this war be an unjust
war. One
> where neither presides.
> Ate is the God of blind impulse, Hybris represents no restraint, in
other
> words greed.
> Arminius say that these are overseers of this war, caused by a
group of men
> who have
> not been very honorable in their pursuit of this war.
> Temis or Themis is the God of custom and law. Since these have
been broken
> by a "unjust" war there must be consequences, Nemesis the Goddess
of
> vengeance will see to this. She will call on the Furies, the
punishers to
> carry it out. They will be aided by Fuga or Phobos which is
terror, Timor or
> Deimos represents fear.
>
> While I am loath to put words in another man's mouth this is the
broad
> strokes of a
> curse. I'm sure it is not meant in this way, though curses are a
time
> honored Roman tradition.
> Lucius Arminius does not approve of this which was started for the
wrong
> reason. And he believes there will be a time of troubles for both
sides
> during and after.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> Pontiff
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Digest No 507 Re: It's Started! |
| From: |
"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:05:08 -0000 |
|
Salvete!
Me too, too!
Thank you most honorable Licius Equitius!
Gaius Popillius Laenas
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Well said Lucius Equitius!
>
> I Normally don't make me too posts, but I'll make an
> exception this time.
>
> oderint dum metuant
>
> --- Lucius Equitius <vergil@s...> wrote:
> > Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus SPD
> >
> > "Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to
> > bless such war!"
> > This remark of Lucius Arminius Faustus betrays a
> > personal opinion rather
> > than an objective one.
> >
> > Actually Mars, in various aspects, is very
> > appropriate. Minerva as well
> > since it is wise to learn from the past, and we all
> > hope that the Iraqis
> > will
> > see the wisdom of surrendering Saddam.
> >
> > I've made offerings to Mars to protect us all in
> > these troubled times,
> > terrorist not
> > caring who may be present when they attack (men,
> > women and children from
> > very many nations being present in the World Trade
> > Towers, a tourist
> > attraction as well as a business center).
> >
> > The following is my opinion should anyone give a
> > fig...
> >
> > First of all, Iraq signed a cease fire in which they
> > agreed to certain
> > conditions. One of these was to disarm themselves of
> > all weapons of
> > Chemical, Biological and Nuclear components. They
> > failed to do this even
> > though they were given 12 YEARS! and 17 United
> > Nations resolutions, thus
> > Iraq is in breach of the cease fire and therefore
> > the "Gulf War" is still
> > ongoing. Anybody else remember that they did invade
> > Kuwait where they raped,
> > pillaged and plundered?
> > We should have done this when they kicked out the UN
> > inspectors in 98'!!
> > Romans don't look kindly on treaty breakers!
> >
> > Also, We have already seen that the liar Saddam has
> > set Iraq oil ablaze, in
> > direct contradiction to his assertion to Mr. Rather
> > that he would 'never do
> > such a thing.' Too, they've used missiles that they
> > declared they didn't
> > have.
> >
> >
> > The days of President Carter standing by, doing
> > nothing, while American
> > citizens suffer insult and injury are over. We have
> > a leader now who says
> > what he means and means what he says. We're going
> > after terrorist and those
> > who harbor and support them. Saddam clearly supports
> > terrorist, his 'reward'
> > of cash for suicide bombers being the most obvious
> > example.
> >
> > For the neigh sayers who are concerned that we will
> > "enflame" the Arab
> > world, those who hate us have already decided to
> > hate us. Just as those who
> > have hated Bush have decided that no matter what he
> > does is wrong. Witness
> > Sen. Daschle support of Clinton in Bosnia yet he
> > condemns Bush for the same
> > action now, hypocrite!
> >
> > Is it an accident that those countries who most
> > oppose the actions of the
> > United States
> > don't seem to have suffered many 'terrorist
> > attacks'?
> >
> > For those who say that the United States will suffer
> > from the "international
> > community", I say we've found out who are friends
> > are and who we can no
> > longer trust. Actions speak louder than words, eh
> > Chirac?
> >
> >
>
_____________________________________________________________________
___
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:22:46 -0000
> > From: "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > <lafaustus@y...>
> > Subject: Re: It's Started!
> >
> > Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless
> > such war! This
> > war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...
> >
> > But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess
> > Nêmesis and the
> > three Furies strike back (once more punishing)...
> > bringing Fobos and
> > Deimos at hand...
> >
> > L. Arminius
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vestinia, called
> > Vesta"
> > <optia_vesta@y...> wrote:
> > > And if we can't have peace, let us make war under
> > Minerva, not
> > > Mars...
> > >
> > > --- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@p...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> Roman Citizen
>
> __________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] marriage, in a general sense |
| From: |
Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla <hedeabianchia@unc.edu> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:29:29 -0500 |
|
In my history class, we had to read an excerpt from Gratian's Decretum,
which is an early book of canon law which - I just discovered- was based on
Justinian's law codex. I just found part of Corpus Iuris Civilis online.
They are both based on case studies as far as I can tell.
Fortunately for me, because it means an easy paper topic, both excerpts are
on marriage.
But does anyone know where I can find more of either? Either electronic, to
read online or download, or where I could buy a copy of either (is that
possible?). Also, I'm assuming Justinian wrote in latin, but does anyone
know if the Decretum was in Latin, and if so, where could I find a Latin
version of both???
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] marriage, in a general sense |
| From: |
labienus@novaroma.org |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:35:37 US/Central |
|
Salve
> But does anyone know where I can find more of either? Either electronic, to
> read online or download, or where I could buy a copy of either (is that
> possible?). Also, I'm assuming Justinian wrote in latin, but does anyone
> know if the Decretum was in Latin, and if so, where could I find a Latin
> version of both???
Decretum Gratiani was written in Latin. You can find a copy of it at:
http://mdz.bib-
bvb.de/digbib/gratian/text/@Generic__BookView;cs=default;ts=default
(long URI, watch for wrap)
The site is in German, and involves a lot of frames. The text is in Latin,
however, and can be copied and pasted into a text editor for easier reading.
Justinian's Institutiones, Codex, and Digestae (all in Latin) can be found at:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/justinian.html
Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] marriage, in a general sense |
| From: |
Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla <hedeabianchia@unc.edu> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:47:46 -0500 |
|
Salve
Gratias tibi ago!
--On Friday, March 21, 2003 12:35 PM +0000 labienus@novaroma.org wrote:
> Salve
>
<snip HBD>
> Decretum Gratiani was written in Latin. You can find a copy of it at:
> http://mdz.bib-
> bvb.de/digbib/gratian/text/@Generic__BookView;cs=default;ts=default
> (long URI, watch for wrap)
> The site is in German, and involves a lot of frames. The text is in
> Latin, however, and can be copied and pasted into a text editor for
> easier reading.
>
> Justinian's Institutiones, Codex, and Digestae (all in Latin) can be
> found at: http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/justinian.html
>
> Vale
> T Labienus Fortunatus
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA is convened |
| From: |
"Daniel O. Villanueva" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:51:40 -0300 |
|
Tribunus Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Comitiis Plebis Tributis SPD
Regarding Run-off Elections in the Comitia Plebis Tributa for the 1(one) vacant
office of Tribunis Plebis for the year MMDCCLVI.
The auspices being propitious, as Tribunus Plebis I hereby officially
convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa to elect the 1(one) vacant seat of Tribunus
Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs).
The Contio begins today March 21th.
Voting shall begin on March 26th 18:01 Roman Time (17:01 GMT, 12:01 noon EST, 09:01 PST).
Voting shall end on April 4th at 18:01 Roman Time (17:01 GMT, 12:01 noon Eastern US time, 09:01 PST).
The following position will be elected by the vote of the Comitia Plebis
Tributa:
TRIBUNUS PLEBIS - 1 seat available, 3 candidates:
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Gaius Geminius Germanus
The decaration of each of the candidates can be found at:
http://www.novaroma.org/election/2755
Since this is a run off election continuing those of November, no new
candidates for Tribunus Plebis will be accepted in the ballot.
May the Gods guide the Comitia Plebis Tributa in their choice of our new
Tribune!
Valete optime
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] It's Started! |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:17:07 -0600 |
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How much electricity could you produce in 4 seconds?:-)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin A. Okopnik [mailto:ben@callahans.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:44 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] It's Started!
Salve,
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:24:36PM +0000, me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> >From : Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be>
> >
> >MAKE LOVE NOT WAR
> >
> >It's much more pleasant, reduces stress, less messy, less noisy,
certainly
> >less expensive and the best yet: no one gets killed. Let's hope that
this
> >conflict ends quickly and that there are minimal casualities on both
sides
> >of the fence.
> >
> Considering the change in political outlook since those faraway
> blessed days, I recently updeated it to Make Love, not Profit.
I find that I'm happily secure in the knowledge that your little /bon
mot/ will never catch on with the general public. There's nothing wrong
with taking a profit; I would have little beyond pity for a person who
produces neither valuable results nor useful consequences as an outcome
of their actions. Unless you mean something wildly different from the
standard definition of the word, I can't see how the idea could ever
appeal to anyone - other than, say, a boss intent on driving his workers
like slaves for minumum or no pay.
Now, "Make love _and_ profit" - that I find quite appealing. Let's see,
if I put the bed on casters and attach a linear generator, then sell the
power back to the state... Hmmm. Excellent idea. People would make love
more often and with more enthusiasm: "just think, Martha - a few more
wild nights like this, and we'll have enough for that new Mercedes!"
I'd share the profits from the idea with you, but, well, you know - I'd
hesitate to violate your beliefs, so...
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Quidquid id est, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes.
Whatever this may be, I fear the Greeks even when they're bringing gifts.
-- Vergil, "Aenis. The priest Laokoon's warning when seeing the Trojan
horse."
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Coins |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:17:56 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Antonius Romulus"
<chrismidwestwisconsin@y...> wrote:
> I'm just curious on others experience. I ordered coins a little
> while ago and haven't heard anythimg about it since, including
> confirmation. Has anyone else recently bought/received them?
>
> Tiberius Antonius Romulus
Salve,
I'm the person you'd have been sending the coin order to. I don't see
your email address in any recent PayPal orders... did you send in
your order by check? If so, nothing has come through with a Roman
name of "Tiberius Antonius Romulus", or from Wisconsin recently. Can
you email me your 'macronational' name and address so I can check
this out further?
Many thanks!
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA is convened |
| From: |
"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:25:20 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes,
This is a very important matter, plebeians, not only for us, but all
citizens. The election of the last Tribune of the Plebis this year is
sure a great deal for the fulfillment of our magistracies and good of
the Res Publica! Let´s go to the cista!
I also want to appeal for the participation of all in the next three
great ludi enriching our times that were coming, Megalesia, Cerealia
and Floralia! A great and funny way of growing on romanitas!
L. Arminius Faustus
Senior Plebeain Aedile et Quaestor
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel O. Villanueva"
<danielovi@c...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Tribunus Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Comitiis Plebis
Tributis SPD
>
>
>
> Regarding Run-off Elections in the Comitia Plebis Tributa for the 1
(one) vacant
>
> office of Tribunis Plebis for the year MMDCCLVI.
>
> The auspices being propitious, as Tribunus Plebis I hereby
officially
>
> convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa to elect the 1(one) vacant seat
of Tribunus
>
>
<snipped>
> Valete optime
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta -- Roma News and Archeology |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:56:49 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete,
please find the latest news at:
http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/
Have a nice week end!
Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] It's Started! |
| From: |
Pat <pmcl@nctimes.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:46:49 -0800 |
|
L. Equitius wrote:
>Romans don't look kindly on treaty breakers!
Thus the eager attribution of a lack of such to the Carthaginians--and the
creation of the phrase "Punic faith"--when, alas, it was Rome that violated
the terms of the treaty between Rome and Carthage. So important was it not
to be the violator (as it is today), that this fabulous lie was told.
<still awaiting reply from censors>
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to
rule it."
-- H. L. Mencken --
"Never was so much false arithmetic employed on any subject, as that which
has been employed to persuade nations that it is in their interest to go to
war."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1782 --
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest No 507 Re: It's Started! |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br> |
| Date: |
21 Mar 2003 19:17:56 -0300 |
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Em Sex, 2003-03-21 às 00:15, Lucius Equitius escreveu:
> Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus SPD
>
> "Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war!"
> This remark of Lucius Arminius Faustus betrays a personal opinion rather
> than an objective one.
>
> Actually Mars, in various aspects, is very appropriate. Minerva as well
> since it is wise to learn from the past, and we all hope that the Iraqis
> will
> see the wisdom of surrendering Saddam.
>
> I've made offerings to Mars to protect us all in these troubled times,
> terrorist not
> caring who may be present when they attack (men, women and children from
> very many nations being present in the World Trade Towers, a tourist
> attraction as well as a business center).
>
> The following is my opinion should anyone give a fig...
>
> First of all, Iraq signed a cease fire in which they agreed to certain
> conditions. One of these was to disarm themselves of all weapons of
> Chemical, Biological and Nuclear components. They failed to do this even
> though they were given 12 YEARS! and 17 United Nations resolutions, thus
> Iraq is in breach of the cease fire and therefore the "Gulf War" is still
> ongoing.
Where are those weapons, the UN inspectors did find none, but found the
remainders of those the Iraqis destroyed without effective control.
> Anybody else remember that they did invade Kuwait where they raped,
> pillaged and plundered?
They did, lost a war against a wide coalition which included the
countries that are against the actual war, and were punished with a 12
year old embargo, forced to destroy their own weapons etc.
> We should have done this when they kicked out the UN inspectors in 98'!!
> Romans don't look kindly on treaty breakers!
>
> Also, We have already seen that the liar Saddam has set Iraq oil ablaze, in
> direct contradiction to his assertion to Mr. Rather that he would 'never do
> such a thing.' Too, they've used missiles that they declared they didn't
> have.
>
>
> The days of President Carter standing by, doing nothing, while American
> citizens suffer insult and injury are over. We have a leader now who says
> what he means and means what he says. We're going after terrorist and those
> who harbor and support them. Saddam clearly supports terrorist, his 'reward'
> of cash for suicide bombers being the most obvious example.
>
> For the neigh sayers who are concerned that we will "enflame" the Arab
> world, those who hate us have already decided to hate us. Just as those who
> have hated Bush have decided that no matter what he does is wrong. Witness
> Sen. Daschle support of Clinton in Bosnia yet he condemns Bush for the same
> action now, hypocrite!
>
> Is it an accident that those countries who most oppose the actions of the
> United States
> don't seem to have suffered many 'terrorist attacks'?
>
You must be kidding, France, Germany and Russia suffered much more
terrorist attacks than the USA. Some years ago it was nearly an
attack/month. Did you forget about Action Directe, ETA, Armenians,
Algerian extremist (GSA?), Kurds, RAF, Tchetchens etc. etc.
It is exactly because they know very well terrorism and the most
apropriate ways to fight it, that they are against a war which targets a
country which has absolutely nothing to do Al Qaeda (besides being a
probable target of it).
Al Qaeda is a fundamentalist islamic terrorist organization which wants
to impose the Charia to all countries. Bin Laden is Saudi Arabian, most
members of Al Qaeda are Saudi Arabians, the money of Al Qaeda comes from
Saudi Arabia etc.
Iraq is a laic dictature which accepts all religions. For ex. Tarek Aziz
is christian and is one of the confidents of Saddam Hussein. Women have
the same rights as the men (little rights because it is a dictature).
Women are free to walk bare head in the streets. You can drink a beer in
the streets without being immediately incarcerated like in Saudi Arabia
for instance. A clear target for all fundamentalists.
> For those who say that the United States will suffer from the "international
> community", I say we've found out who are friends are and who we can no
> longer trust. Actions speak louder than words, eh Chirac?
>
The world really found out that the USA cannot be trusted and that they
definitively don't deserve the title of champions of the right.
Manius Villius Limitanus
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:22:46 -0000
> From: "Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
> Subject: Re: It's Started!
>
> Neither Minerva nor Mars, they´re too noble to bless such war! This
> war is made by the rule of Ate and Hybris...
>
> But Temis must be satisfied, and I fear when Goddess Nêmesis and the
> three Furies strike back (once more punishing)... bringing Fobos and
> Deimos at hand...
>
> L. Arminius
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vestinia, called Vesta"
> <optia_vesta@y...> wrote:
> > And if we can't have peace, let us make war under Minerva, not
> > Mars...
> >
> > --- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@p...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>
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>
--
Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: This made my day, hope it brightens your day also |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:43:09 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Iulilla.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "julilla" <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> Julilla Sempronia Magna omnibus SPD
>
> I may have mentioned to some amicii that I have done three
> classroom presentation to 10-12 year-old students who are studying
> ancient Rome andf preparing a major district-wide presentation
> which I will attend next Monday night. I dressed in my stola, palla
> and carbatina (a style of footwear) and brought many reproduction
> items (strigil, pressed glass cups, jewellery, Nova Roma vexillum
> and coins and my lararium. The students were deeply interested, and
> I allowed them plenty of time to ask questions. All in all, a most
> satisfying way to promote interest in Roman culture!
<<snipped>>
> I cannot tell you how gratifying it is to -- even in a small way --
> catch the imaginations of young people and make them excited about
> history. If we are to continue to flourish in the next generation,
> I heartily recommend sharing your time and talents with the young
> people in your community. Believe me, you will likely get as much
> out of the experience as they!
What an encouraging idea! I congratulate you, amica.
I wish that we all here in Nova Roma followed your example.
I will try to do the same here in Madrid. Let's see if I can find a
school teacher willing to allow me to do a similar thing (I will have
to spare some money for a toga, though :-) ).
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Digest No 507 Re: It's Started! |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:44:07 -0000 |
|
Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Michel Loos <loos@q...> wrote:
>
> Where are those weapons, the UN inspectors did find none, but found
the
> remainders of those the Iraqis destroyed without effective control.
Well, some of those weapons that Saddam claimed he didn't have (Scud
missles) are magically appearing over the skys of Kuwait. Even Hans
Blix has said to look in the basements of Baghdad and other places
that Saddam's regime always managed to keep inspectors away from.
> They did, lost a war against a wide coalition which included the
> countries that are against the actual war, and were punished with a
> 12 year old embargo, forced to destroy their own weapons etc.
When Saddam agreed to the Cease-fire one of those banned weapons that
his regime claims were destroyed are the Scuds being launched against
Kuwait. Finally, real proof that Saddam was not really disarming and
meeting his obligations under the cease-fire agreement, but merely
playing a car and mouse game with the inspectors Thusly Saddam has
been in violation of the cease-fire agreement just as the US has
continued to claim for the past 12 years. A cease-fire agreement is
not a peace treaty. Violate the cease-fire then fire resumes.
> The world really found out that the USA cannot be trusted and that
> they definitively don't deserve the title of champions of the right.
On the contrary. The Bush administration said, this is what we are
going to do, and this is why we are doing it. So far the Scuds being
launched confirms that Bush assertion that Saddam was/is in violation
of the cease-fire agreement and the US and the "coalition of the
willing" seems to be doing exactly what they said they are going to
do about it. As for the world opinion of the US, I'm not overly
worried. Those that hate the US would hate the US no matter what the
US did or didn't do. If you're in a damned if you do damned if you
don't situation, might as well do what you damn well want. The
nations that today are condemming the US will be trying to cozy up
when they need a favor tommorow.
Calvus
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