Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:34:57 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
>
> Ave
>
> "Another trend in music, black guys invent it and then "whitey"
comes along
> and cashes in on it. Elvis.... Clapton.... Vanilla Ice....
Eminem....."
>
> I take issue with that statement. Modern American music is a
combination, a
> melting pot, if you will, of different musical styles. Blacks didn't
> "invent" jazz, or rock and roll, or rap.
<snipped>
As you know, I'm strongly against class divisions, and I
> likewise oppose any statements that advance racial division.

Ave,

Chill. Like it or not when one looks at American (USA) music history
there is a distinct trend of African American musicians being way
ahead of their white counterparts in terms of experimentation and
innovation. If you want to know what's going to be cutting edge in 3-
5 years go see what up and coming African American musicians are
doing today. Even the quinsintential wonder bread white "country
music" has its roots in African American music. If there were never
a Jimmi Hendrix there would be no Ozzy. OK some who are Osbourned to
death may argue that would be a good thing....

Vale,

Calvus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] No Hendrix?
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:00:59 EST

In a message dated 4/1/03 6:52:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, richmal@attbi.com
writes:


> . If there were never
> a Jimmi Hendrix there would be no Ozzy. OK some who are Osbourned to
> death may argue that would be a good thing....
>

If there was no Muddy Waters no Jimmy Page,
No Robert Johnson, no Eric Clapton.
No Chicago "Slim" Jim, no David Gilmore.
Tony Iommi was the guitarist of Sabbath, BTW, Ozzy was the chanter.

Fabivs


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Notitia Dignitatum
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:13:55 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to Dr. Ingo Maier's website on the Notitia Dignatatum:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~igmaier/notitia.htm

The Notitia Dignitatum is a list of the titles, offices, insignia, and
locations of imperial administrative officers and military commanders,
compiled (or, perhaps, last redacted) between 395 and 425 C.E. (there
is persuasive evidence that the accounts of the western and eastern
portions of the empire were not compiled at the same time). The
website includes links to virtually everything about the Notitia
Dignitatum on the net (including a number of editions and
translations), an extraordinary bibliography of the scholarly
literature (including note of cases where a relevant book or journal
article is available online), and an article attempting to identify
the archetype of the cognates of the Codex Spirensis. Students of
later imperial administrative or military history will find Dr.
Maier's website a valuable resource.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:17:24 -0600

Ave

I am always frosty, brother. However, its not a matter of liking it or not.
The statement is simply not true. Being way ahead doesn't divorce you of
your surroundings. I doubt Africans would have ever developed jazz or rock
and roll if left to their own devices on the sub-continent. They didn't have
guitars, saxaphones, banjos violins etc etc. Didn't look like they ever
going to develop them. And I doubt "whitey" would have developed rock or
jazz if left to their own devices, either. Thats it.

GB Agricola

-----Original Message-----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus [mailto:richmal@attbi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
>
> Ave
>
> "Another trend in music, black guys invent it and then "whitey"
comes along
> and cashes in on it. Elvis.... Clapton.... Vanilla Ice....
Eminem....."
>
> I take issue with that statement. Modern American music is a
combination, a
> melting pot, if you will, of different musical styles. Blacks didn't
> "invent" jazz, or rock and roll, or rap.
<snipped>
As you know, I'm strongly against class divisions, and I
> likewise oppose any statements that advance racial division.

Ave,

Chill. Like it or not when one looks at American (USA) music history
there is a distinct trend of African American musicians being way
ahead of their white counterparts in terms of experimentation and
innovation. If you want to know what's going to be cutting edge in 3-
5 years go see what up and coming African American musicians are
doing today. Even the quinsintential wonder bread white "country
music" has its roots in African American music. If there were never
a Jimmi Hendrix there would be no Ozzy. OK some who are Osbourned to
death may argue that would be a good thing....

Vale,

Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A new issue of the Roman Times
From:	"Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia" <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:28:58 -0000

Salve!

The newest issue of the Roman Times is now available at:

http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/index.html
(choose "Roman Times" from the navigation bar.)

If you would like to contribute to a future issue, please contact me
as soon as possible.

vale bene,
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] My internet access
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:08:42 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I am sorry, but my internet access has been cut of for two days. I am
starting to catch up now and expect to be back as usual about Friday
night.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:18:12 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>

>music“ has its roots in African American music. If there were never
>a Jimmi Hendrix there would be no Ozzy. OK some who are Osbourned to
>death may argue that would be a good thing....
>
Well there would be because Ozzy was around before Marley was ever heard of. And just when did the Kingstown Wailer become and American? Hendrix was Jamaican!

Caesariensis


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:19:40 -0800

Is it me or did you quote an incorrect passage? The quote you quoted was about Jimmi Hendrix not Bob Marley. Two very gifted and talented musicians but both are very different in musical styles.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:


-----Original Message-----
From : quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>

>music" has its roots in African American music. If there were never
>a Jimmi Hendrix there would be no Ozzy. OK some who are Osbourned to
>death may argue that would be a good thing....
>
Well there would be because Ozzy was around before Marley was ever heard of. And just when did the Kingstown Wailer become and American? Hendrix was Jamaican!

Caesariensis


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:52:23 US/Central

Salve

> Well there would be because Ozzy was around before Marley was ever heard of.
> And just when did the Kingstown Wailer become and American? Hendrix was
> Jamaican!

Um, Jimi Hendrix was born in Seattle. I think you've confused two different
artists, Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:05 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : “L. Cornelius Sulla“ <alexious@earthlink.net>
Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
Is it me or did you quote an incorrect passage? The quote you quoted was about Jimmi Hendrix not Bob Marley. Two very gifted and talented musicians but both are very different in musical styles.
>
Quite right. For reasons only Dr Freud might understand, I read one and saw the other! Sorry!

Caesariensis.


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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:04:46 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>

>and roll if left to their own devices on the sub-continent. They didn't have
>guitars, saxaphones, banjos violins etc etc. Didn't look like they ever
>going to develop them. And I doubt ýwhiteyý would have developed rock or
>jazz if left to their own devices, either. Thats it.
>
Neither of that is entirely true. There's some jazz-like stuff in some folk embellishment and Klesma and the Banjo appears to descend from an African instrument. They do have twangy metal things eupemistically called Thumb Piano in the East but I don't know if that went West without whiteskin help. A lot of those Western slave countries are part Muslim - that's where Europeans started buying their slaves - so they have Arab and Mediterranean inspired music but further South the real thing is all rhythm. African music is trendy right now, Yousou N'Dour the Big Name but I can't say I like it or Arab in that sort of genre half as much as Indian.

Caesariensis.



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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:16:35 -0600

Ave

Thats very interesting. And it goes to what I'm saying, its all connected.

Agricola

-----Original Message-----
From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk [mailto:me-in-@disguise.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:05 PM
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quote of the day:


-----Original Message-----
From : jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>

>and roll if left to their own devices on the sub-continent. They didn't
have
>guitars, saxaphones, banjos violins etc etc. Didn't look like they ever
>going to develop them. And I doubt ýwhiteyý would have developed rock or
>jazz if left to their own devices, either. Thats it.
>
Neither of that is entirely true. There's some jazz-like stuff in some
folk embellishment and Klesma and the Banjo appears to descend from an
African instrument. They do have twangy metal things eupemistically called
Thumb Piano in the East but I don't know if that went West without whiteskin
help. A lot of those Western slave countries are part Muslim - that's where
Europeans started buying their slaves - so they have Arab and Mediterranean
inspired music but further South the real thing is all rhythm. African music
is trendy right now, Yousou N'Dour the Big Name but I can't say I like it or
Arab in that sort of genre half as much as Indian.

Caesariensis.



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Results of the last Senate Vote
From:	"L. Didius Geminus Sceptius" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:01:23 +0200

Tribunus Plebis Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius Quiritibus SPD

Senate Voting Results published 2 April 2756.

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been tallied as below.

The following 13 Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below by their initials, and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:


Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (CFQ)
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus (LPO)
Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD)
Gnaeus Salix Astur (GSA)
Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (LEC)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla (LCS)
Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Lucius Sicinius Drusus (LSD)
Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato (ATMC)


The following 7 Senators did not cast a vote [and his absence was not announced or justified in line with the Senatus Consultum defining a quorum (http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-vii.html) and the LEX OCTAVIA DE SENATORIBUS (http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-02-27-iv.html) which this Tribune reads in conjunction]:

- Gaius Marius Merullus (CMM)
- Marcus Arminius Maior (MAM)
- Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
- Patricia Cassia (PC)
- Antonius Gryllus Graecus (AGG)
- Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonicus (AICPM)
- Marcus Minucius Audens (MMA)

The necessary majority for a Senatus consultum therefore was 11 votes in favor.

"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" or "NEGAT" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention. Square Brackets [ ] indicate explanations by the reporting Tribune.


The items for consideration were as follows:


Item I

Aedilian Fund [8 in favor - 3 opposing - 2 abstention / Didn't achieve enough votes for passing.]

I have been asked by the two Curule Aediles to propose the following
Senatus Consultum. The Curile Aediles of last year already founded a
fund. according to their tasks in the Constitution. This years Curule
Aediles are convinced that they would like to formalize a new routine
according to the proposal for a Senatus Consultum below.

************
Senatus Consultum about the Aedilian Fund

I. An Aedilian Fund for donations in favour of the projects handled
by the Aediles Curules is hereby established. This fund will be
maintained as part of the Nova Roma bank account, rather than in a
separate account, because of the following advantages:

a.The donors can be sure that their money is kept in a safe place and
that it will not be kept by the magistrate.
b.People can use money orders and the Nova Roma PayPal account to
make donations in the same way as they pay taxes or make any other
donation to Nova Roma.
c.It will not be necessary to transfer funds to the country in which
the current Aediles Curules live.
d. U.S. residents will have the opportunity to deduct donations on
their taxes. This wouldn't be possible if the bank account was
outside USA.

II. Money contained in the Aedilian Fund can be used only for the
purpose to which they have been expressely donated. As a consequence,
there is no need for the Senate to vote their allocation, as it is
the will of the donors that those funds be spent for specific
projects as defined by the Aediles Curules.

III. The Aedilian Fund is under the Aediles Curules' responsibility.
A detailed record of all donations and their destinations will be
kept by the Quaestores assigned to the Aediles Curules. The
Quaestores will also provide the Consules with a report on the merger
of Lusitania Provincia and Hispania Provincia into one new Provincia
called Hispania Provincia Aedilian Fund to be attached to the
national budget of Nova Roma.

****************


Item II [Passed with 13 in favour - 0 opposing - 0 abstention ]

The Governor of Pannonia Provincia:

I propose that the Senatus appoint Gaius Marcius Coriolanus as
Propraetor of Pannonia Provincia.

CFQ: VTI ROGAS Comments of CFQ: I would glad to see such a competent Propraetor as Gaius Marcius Coriolanus back in the Governor's seat.
LPO: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS. He shall be prorogued, right? I´m happy to see my friend Coriolanus going into another period of office. Uti Rogas
GSA: VTI ROGAS
MOG: VTI ROGAS
LSAO: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
LEC: VTI ROGAS
LCS: VTI ROGAS
QFM: VTI ROGAS
LSD: VTI ROGAS
ATMC: VTI ROGAS


Item III [0 in favour - 4 against - 1 abstain - 8 didn't vote]

A new provisional Governor of Mexico Provincia

Gnaeus Salix Astur have been mentioned and have accepted to candidate
when asked.

Item were WITHDRAWN but some Senators casted Votes.


Tribunus Comentarii: A Diplomatic Legate was the solution proposed for this issue instead of a Propraetor. May the Senate find the best solution for a Province like Mexico.

Item IV [ Passed 12 in favour - 0 against - 1 abstain]

A new Governor instead of Remesa Debrasca for Canada Occidentalis Provincia

I propose Honorable Quintus Sertorius as Propraetor of Canada
Occidentalis Provincia.


CFQ: VTI ROGAS Comments of CFQ: I am glad to have Quintus Sertorius back as Propraetor
LPO: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
MOG: VTI ROGAS. Good to see him back with us.
LSAO: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS. I am glad to see Quintus Sertorius back and able to serve. He will do well
TLF: VTI ROGAS. It's good to have Q Sertorius back
LEC: ABSTINEO
LCS: VTI ROGAS
QFM: VTI ROGAS. Glad to see him back here in the Republic
LSD: VTI ROGAS. If Quintus Sertorius does half as good a job as he did in the past, he will still be one our best Provincial Praetors
ATMC: VTI ROGAS. I am familiar with the Honorable Quintus Sertorius from communications in the past, and I believe that he is more than qualified for the position and would make an
excellent Propraetor.


Item V [Passed 13 in favour - 0 against - 0 abstain]

A new Governor instead of Pontius Sejanus Marius for America Austroccidentalis Provincia

I propose Honorable Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus as Propraetor of America Austroccidentalis Provincia

CFQ: VTI ROGAS. Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus has been a magistrate before and I am sure that he as a long-time citizen will become a good Propraetor
LPO: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
MOG: VTI ROGAS. G. Africanus Secundus has been willing to serve for years, and I'm pleased to see him get this position.
LSAO: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS. I sincerely hope he can breathe some life back into my home provincia.

LEC: VTI ROGAS
LCS: VTI ROGAS
QFM: VTI ROGAS. Good man, he has worked hard for this honor
LSD: VTI ROGAS
ATMC: VTI ROGAS


Item VI.

The Eagle subscription fee (20$-30$) [Passed 12 in favour - 0 against - 0 abstain]

The Curator Differum have asked for a higher Eagle subscription fee (not rate ;-) ), which he would be able to set within reasonable limits. I think that this is a very reasonable request.

I propose that Senate give the Curator Differum the right to set a
subscription fee for one year for the Eagle between $20 to $30.


CFQ: VTI ROGAS. Comments of CFQ: I am sure that the Curator Differum will use every cent with care and not set it higher than needed
LPO: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS. The eagle issue sent to me was very impressive. Professionally edited, with a fine layout and partly coloured. It is worth the fee requested.
GSA: VTI ROGAS
MOG: VTI ROGAS. He's doing a fine job and should be encouraged to keep up the high quality.

LSAO: VTI ROGAS. Comment: I received a new edition of the Eagle this week. It was very well done and worth such a subscription fee. I would not want to see it reduced to a black & white pamphlet by budgetary constraints. It may be that the citizens will not support it, but I think we should try.

DIPI: VTI ROGAS. I agree with Fabius and Cincinnatus, this is too high a range for a newsletter. However, I am willing to let him set the rate and convince subscribers of the value. he might well suceed.
TLF: VTI ROGAS. I'm fairly impressed with what Tiberius Galerius has done with the Eagle so far, and I am therefore willing to give him the leeway necessary for him to test his ideas about how it should be marketed and produced.

LEC: ANTIQVO. As I stated in the discussion, "There is no reason to charge $20 to $30 for a monthly newsletter that needn't be more than 8 pages in black and white. Legio XX has a $5 per year membership fee which includes the 'ADLOCVTIO' newsletter if the twentieth Legio, which is also available online. http://www.larp.com/legioxx/adloc.html " The original Eagle produced by 'Flavia Claudia Iuliana', now Vespasia Pollia Iuliana, was quite good. I have saved every copy of the Eagle since the very first one and I consider her work the best with all due respect to the others who have held that position. I believe that publishing is/was her vocation and she was a professional in every way. In fact she produced multi color edition at no extra costs, although this may have been with the assistance of Marcus Cassius' print shop.

LCS: VTI ROGAS. I have no problem with this as long as he does not seek these funds retroactively from those subscribers who already have paid their subscriptions. We have a duty to provide the same level of quality and service to those who have already paid without retroactively charging them. Besides, there could be legal issues, if the subscribers are retroactively charged.
QFM: VTI ROGAS. The Curator Differum has the right to save the Eagle anyway that he can. That was why he has the post. We must allow every opportunity for he to do so.

LSD: VTI ROGAS. However I am worried that this will place the Eagle beyond the means of many citizens living outside the USA. This is up to two and a half times the tax rate that we indexed for that reason. The Eagle is morphing from a Newsletter into a full fledged magizine, so we may want to consider starting a seperate publication that will serve as a low cost newsletter for citizens who can't afford the higher Eagle prices.

ATMC: VTI ROGAS


Item VII. [Passed 13 in favour - 0 against - 0 abstain]

The merger of Lusitania Provincia and Hispania Provincia into one new
Provincia called Hispania Provincia. This merger will be done
according to the agreement below:

*************
LM LAIETANVS SENATO NOVAROMAE SPD

Salvete Patres et Conscripti.

I've been appointed by honorable Antonius Gryllus Graecus, as
Propraetor of Lusitania, and honorable Caius Iulius Barcinus, as
Propraetor of Hispania to transmit and to submit you our common wish
of union into one and only Novaroman Provincia attending to our
historical roman past.

The idea of a possible union with Lusitania has been suggested in
several occasions for different citizens since the start of the
administrative provincial organization in Hispania more than a year
ago. In the very early debates it became clear how difficult it was
to make any historical reference to the roman Hispania without
including Lusitania.

Illustrious Gryllus, our Pontifex and Propraetor of Lusitania has
been member of Hispania provincial list since we started on and I
must say this has been a great honor for all and that everyone has
always been watchful to his wise and helpful messages.

About three or four months ago, during my propraetorship, my Legatus
Externis Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius exposed to me and to the
provincial Curia his intention to start working with Propraetor
Gryllus in order to seriously study the chances for a future union
and he got then all our support. During this time he punctually
informed us about the negotiation advances and specially about the
positive reaction of Propraetor Gryllus and the common interest on
this matter both for Lusitania and Hispania. The union proposal was
also debated in the provincial list and a formal declaration in
favour was voted in the Hispania provincial Curia. The support from
the citizens was unanimous.

Since both parts have yet reached to an agreement on the terms of a
possible future union and would like to advance in this way, time has
come to ask for your support and to submit to your approval our
common project.

Vale
L.M. Laietanus

Here are the submitted terms of our agreement:

I- The present novaroman provinces of Lusitania and Hispania firmly
expose their wish of union into one and only novaroman provincia
under the historical common name of Hispania.

II- Within the new Provincia and attending the present linguistic
plurality, its asked equal respect for those citizens who may use
Portuguese or Spanish. However, ours will keep being an open
community which can use any language for its free expression.

III- For those citizens who can't speak Portuguese or Spanish a
Scriba Linguae Lusitanae will be provided in order to help all the
citizens. His duties will be:
A translation of any text asked by the citizens, written either in
Spanish or Portuguese, into the language asked by the citizen.
A translation of the Provincial web-page and articles.
A translation of all the Legal documents of the Province.

IV-The Province will be administrate by a single Propraetor appointed
by the Senate of Novaroma. By this agreement Antonius Gryllus
Graecus, proparetor of Lusitania, renounces to the propraetorship in
favour of Caius Iulius Barcinus, actual propraetor of Hispania. At
the same time Caius Iulius Barcinus publicy express his commitment
with the internal provincial regulations concerning with the annual
renewal of the provincial governor in favour of the candidate
elected by the citizens which will be submitted to the Senate of Nova
Roma at the legal time next year.

V- The present administrative structure, procedures and regulations
of the actual Hispania, based on the plural participation and
continuous improvement will be the base for the future common
development.

VI- To improve the meetings between all the citizens of the Province,
Local Chapters will be created in order to show the reality of the
citizenship geographical distribution. As far as it is possible, the
reference will be the Conventus system (Lusitania, Gallaecia,
Tarraconensis and Carthaginensis).

VII- With the Constitutio of this Province we try to erase the
administrative barriers of our nowadays States, getting back the
Romanitas historical and cultural unity. So the wish of this union is
to be lasting in time for a better achievement of the Nova Roma
purposes and all the Iberian Peninsula. It doesn't mean that we deny
the real world but we have our sight put on further and better times.

VIII. In case that this agreement gets the approval of the Senate, as
we expect to, the union will officially go into effect from next
Kalendas Maias, MMDCCLVI auc

The terms of this agreement have been yet submitted to the following
magistrates which completely agree and fully support them:

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Consul
Titus Labienus Fortunatus, Consul
Antonius Gryllus Graecus, Propraetor of Lusitania
Caius Iulius Barcinus, Propraetor of Hispania
Gnaeus Salix Astur, Senator
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius, Tribunus
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CFQ: VTI ROGAS. CFQ Comments: The active citizens of the future Provincia have "said" this change is needed, they have my support!

LPO: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS. Both current governors agreed upon this merger, and it is historical
GSA: VTI ROGAS
MOG: VTI ROGAS. Propraetor Antonius Gryllus has explained the reasons for this, and they are compelling
LSAO: VTI ROGAS. Comment: Questions of historicity aside, the willingness of the citizens in these two provinces to work together to advance the purposes of Nova Roma makes a compelling argument for us to approve the merger
DIPI: VTI ROGAS. As it is the will of the citizens of these provinces, including the propraetor of Lusitania, for this merger to take place, let it happen. I am sad to see one of ouir oldest provinces merge into another but recognize they know their region better than I
TLF: VTI ROGAS
LEC: VTI ROGAS. Since this is the wish and request of the citizens of both Provincia AND it is historical I believe that it is a good thing to do. The best of luck to our cives in Hispania. Bene omnibus nobis.
LCS: VTI ROGAS. My Comments: I share the sentiments of Senator Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus. In addition to his sentiments, I think the door should be left open in the event that the citizens of the provincia wish to go back to the system of having two (or more) provincias in the future
QFM: VTI ROGAS. Illustrious Gryllus, our Pontifex and Propraetor of Lusitania, has convinced me to allow this to go forward. I mourn for the loss of one of our oldest provinces, however, and I hope this "streamling" procedure is not going to be a trend
LSD: VTI ROGAS. I'm reluctant to vote for a measure that includes setting a precedent for a Provincial Praetor being elected. The Provincial Praetors are the Senate's representives to the provinces, not the representive of the citizens of a provincia. Chartering Municipia will give citizens a voice in local affairs in keeping with the Mos Maiorum. I will vote for this as long as it is understood that the selection of Provincial Praetors remains with the Senate, and not with the provinces.
ATMC: VTI ROGAS. This has been well-planned and has a very effective goup of honorable people in charge. I fully approve of this move, and wish them all success in the future with their
plans.



Consul Quintilianus announced that "Items I and III will occur on a later Senate Agenda in a slightly changed form".

vale bene,

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Invalid Voter Code Message
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:31:01 -0000

Salve,

The citizen with the following voter tracking codes
has a malformed or inaccurate voter code:

# 1074

Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is
given, and if you are unsure of your new code, follow
the instructions posted previously to obtain your
current voter code by e-mail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339

Or you may write the censors: censors @ novaroma.org

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Rogator

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Results of the last Senate Vote
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <fraelov@yahoo.it>
Date:	Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:37:12 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

> Item I
>
> Aedilian Fund [8 in favor - 3 opposing - 2 abstention / Didn't
achieve enough votes for passing.]

Can I know who voted against and why (or didn't vote)?
IMHO I think this is a very important step for our "live" activities
and relations with Public Istitutions, I would like to know what must
to be improved in the item. Please, contact me privately if you
prefer. Thank you very much.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Results of the last Senate Vote
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:50:44 -0800

Ave Fr. Apulus et Omnes,

I abstained and I very much leaned for voting against the measure. And, if presented again to the Senate its likely given the more time I have spent thinking about the item that I will vote against it if presented again.

I am extremely hesitant about allowing the a fund to be operated outside of the pervue of the Senate, espeically from the same account. I would like to know the legal ramificaitons of such a venture not only for Nova Roma internally, but its ramificaitons as it would affect our articles of incorporation. The Senate is the supreme policy making body of Nova Roma (according to Article V of the Constitution) and it is the sole financial controlling body for the corporation. I believe that at the very least we should consult a corporate lawyer (if NR would even condone the cost of consulting an attorney) or at the very lease consult a Certified Public Accountant about the possible tax consequences and liabilities that we (as a not for profit corporate entity) could face. Lest I forget to mention the complicated nature with regards to the reporting of funds according to GAAP guidelines (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles).

What I think would be a good compromise is to include an expense account on the general budget for the Aediles. This way they (the Aediles) will have a small budget and if need be they can petition the Senate for additional funds but in this way the financial controls continue to reside with the Senate. However, all fundraising and funds collection must retain within the jurisdictional authority of the Senate of Nova Roma.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Senator
----- Original Message -----
From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Results of the last Senate Vote


Salvete Omnes,

> Item I
>
> Aedilian Fund [8 in favor - 3 opposing - 2 abstention / Didn't
achieve enough votes for passing.]

Can I know who voted against and why (or didn't vote)?
IMHO I think this is a very important step for our "live" activities
and relations with Public Istitutions, I would like to know what must
to be improved in the item. Please, contact me privately if you
prefer. Thank you very much.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile