| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Requesting Comments and Discussion.... |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Brett=20Murphy?= <aussiegent@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:47:50 +1000 (EST) |
|
Will Australia be included?
http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile
- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Duke Papyrus Archive |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:55:53 -0000 |
|
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
Avete, Quirites.
Here's a link to the Duke Papyrus Archive website:
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/papyrus/
The Duke University Papyrus Archive provides electronic access to over
1400 images and texts of papyri from Greek and Roman Egypt, as well as
essays on the palaeography, cataloguing, conservation, and
bibliography of the papyri. The "religious aspects" directory
contains many papyri relating to Paganism in Roman Egypt.
Valete, Quirites
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| Subject: |
Re:[Nova-Roma] Re: Latin translation |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:36:07 -0000 |
|
G. Iulius Scaurus Gallo Solari Alexandro salutem dicit
Salve, Galle Solaris.
> "Dedicata restituioni Relgionis Romanae Classicae, culturae, atque
> virtutum," which, by the way, you can read on the Latin version of
> our web site.
[immaterial material deleted]
> ITA EST NON!
>
>
> DEDICATVM RESTITVTIONI ROMANAE RELIGIONIS MORE MAIORVM STVDIORVM ET
VIRTVTIS.
>
>
> This is in my opinion the correct translation.
>
> Dedicta: it's feminine. It doesn't look like it should be connected
to anything feminine.
Roma is feminine and Nova Roma is what the past passive participle
modifies.
[more deletion]
> Classicae: it's a modern word Romans would have not used.
Actually Romans did use classicus, -um, -a to mean "of or pertaining
to the highest class," which is the sense in which "classical"
originally came into English. That value judgment was part of the way
by which "classical" came to refer to a chronological period. Antiqua
would probably be marginally better, but it doesn't also convey the
value judgment which classica does.
"Religionis Romanae" would follow the stylistic tendency of Latin
prose to place adjectives posterior to the nouns they modify, unless
you are emphasizing the specifically Roman character of the religio in
way that context doesn't already, or there's a metrical reason here
I'm not scanning.
> Culturae: still a word not used with our meaning in Latin.
I don't see what you mean by "more maiorum studiorum." Why the
ablative "more"? What you are translating -- "dedicated to the
restoration of classical Roman religion, culture, and virtues" --
doesn't contain anything that's particularly well rendered by any form
of "studium." Why not simply "moris mariorum," referring back to
restitutioni?
> Virtvtvm: in the plural means phisical strengths; you must keep it
in the singular.
This is not so. Cicero, Ovid, and Tacitus (those are instances I
recall just off the top of my head; a string search on plural forms of
virtus in the Latin text archives of the Perseus Project would no
doubt disclose more) use virtus in the plural in the sense of the
intrinsic excellences of a thing.
I think your suggestion of "mos maiorum" is a better translation of
"culture" than "cultura" (although Cicero and, if I recall correctly,
Virgil use "cultura animi," but that's not really on point), but on
the whole Julilla's translation is preferrable to the one you have
suggested.
Vale.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Lex Tarquitius Colonie (Formal Request for |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:12:36 +0200 |
|
Salve Illustrus Publius Tarquitius Rufus et salvete Quiriutes!
I hope that you all have seen that I have been occupied with "saving"
a young girl from taking her life. This explains why I have been away
from the main list for some time.
I also know that my Accensus Honorable A. Apollonius Cordus, on my
request have contacted You, Illustrus Publius Tarquitius Rufus, about
the fact that I am on my way to propose a law on this subject.
The fact is that my proposal includes some of your ideas Illustrus
Publius Tarquitius Rufus and more. It does also contains a kind of
"development ladder" for local groups. I will soon present this law
to the public and Comitia Populi Tributa, but at the moment it is in
my "Consilium Accensorum Magnorum" (CAM), (Council of Major
Assistants/Advisors) to get their ideas. Ihope to bring this law and
a couple of others to the Comitiae next month..
>Salve Senator Drusus!
>
>Thanks for your good points, and they have been added! :-) Here is
>what I would like a member of the Senate or the Plebs to pass on
>please:
>
>Lex Tarquitius Municipiae
>
>I. Whereas there is a strong need for more Nova Romans to be active
>as a group and as individuals, the following is proposed:
>
>1. Within a given Providence as geographical boundaries, A group of
>THREE (or more) DUES PAYING members may petition to create a
>Municipia.
>
>1a. Recommend that the geographical boundary NOT cross provincial
>boundaries, and be within a 150KM from the central city of
>record/city of application.
>
>2. Applications for all Municipiae must be submitted to the Senate
>AFTER it is approved by the Governor.
>
>2a. ALL applications are required to be submitted to the
>Senate by the Governor if the application is received 10 days prior
>to the next Senate meeting. If the Governor disapproves the
>application, the Governor must forward the application and the
>reasons for disapproval to the Senate for their review, and possible
>acceptance.
>
>2b. All Municipiae awaiting approval are considered "Provisional
>Colonies" until Gubernatorial, and Senate Approval is granted to the
>colony.
>
>3. Colony Levels: Elected Leader(s) Required on Municipiae Council
>(***NOTE: 1/2 of the Colony members MUST have paid dues to Nova Roma)
>Level 1. 3 to 9 members 2 Leaders
>Level 2. 10 to 20 members 3 Leaders
>Level 3. 20 to 30 members 3 Leaders
>Level 4. 30 PLUS members 3 Leaders
>
>4. Elections shall occur for all leadership posts ANNUALLY, in March.
>
>5. Leaders must have paid their dues by March 1st in order to be
>eligible for election. (NO wavers on this item permitted)
>
>6. There must be a website created within 15 days of approval of the
>Municipiae by the Providence's Governor.
>
>6a. All documents related to the colony shall by typed and
>saved on the site website. The originals shall be maintained at the
>home/office of the Head Magistrate or colony scribe.
>
>7. Recommended Approval Process: 1 -Governor of Providence (if no
>reply, send to the Consuls for approval, with notification of Senate
>required). This will give the colony a "provisional" (or "Latin
>Rights") status. 2-The application must be approved by the Senate at
>its next scheduled meeting. Once approved by the Senate, it becomes
>a "Roman Rights Municipia".
>
>8. After initial opening of Municipiae, if a person has paid their
>dues
>or just joined Nova Roma, their application to the colony is
>automatic. If they have NOT paid dues, Leadership council will
>approve or disapprove the application. If dues are then paid to
>council, acceptance is automatic.
>
>9. Members are required at all quarterly meetings, and Leadership
>council must meet monthly.
>
>10. Municipiae Dues - Set by colony, but must be reported to Governor
>and Consuls quarterly.
>
>11. Appointed positions within Municipiae:
>a. Leadership may appoint the offices they choose. but here are some
>recommendations:
>
>1. Webmaster
>2. Quaestor
>3. Scribe (P/R man)
>4. Priest (with approval from Religio leadership and Governor
>approval)
>
>================================================================
>
>I wish to know if this Lex needs to go through the Tribunes of the
>Plebs and the Public vote, or through the Senate. Please feel free to
>post on this, as I am here to learn!
>
>Publius Tarquitius Rufus
>Nova Roman Assudii 2003
>
>
>Thanks, L. Sicinius Drusus!!!
>
>
>
>
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>Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
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************************************************
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Lex Tarquitius Colonie (Formal Request for direction here folks!) |
| From: |
"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:17:01 -0000 |
|
Marcus Cornelius, I placed my replies below...just what I like, good
discussion on something pertenant to Nova Roma! In advance, thanks!
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
> >
> > Lex Tarquitius Municipiae
> >
> >
> Marcus Cornelius Felix replys:
> Greeting Sir.
> in your law you wish to do ( a copy is below my replys)
> #8:( so if there are 40 people in a city and 15 say lets form a
> Municipiae the other 25 have to go along with the 15?
*****No. The other 25 can form their own seperate organization if
they choose.Let's remember, I'm not making it mandatory you join a
colony, but putting in place a structure whereby members can get more
active and learn more about nova roma.
> #9: ok so you can make me a part of a group i may not want to join
> and order me to 4 meeting a year.
****See above. :-)
> #10 (a. and you can set money tax with out me voting on it?in a
> group i may not wish to join, but by this law i MUST join even if
> less then 50 % of people want to.AND {B.
> ok now if you do this in the state of oregon( subspart of USA)
> and you set a Due,tax,fee for a Municipiae in said state you get to
(
> BY state law ,file parerwork with the state as a corp(501(c)3 .
> and as a corp asking for money in the state and doing Biz in state.
(
> my lawery says youy should do this away)
***See above. :-) Remember this is a voluntary measure! But it DOES
allow Nova Roma to obtain a 5013-c measure in other states as a
subset of our main HQ.
> and 11.well I am Sacerdos Primus America Boreoccidentalis, so I
guess i get to do the approval from thing on any new Priest also..
all this is doing is makeing lots of work for people...we here in
America Boreoccidentalis have meeting we do not need a group Ordering
us to meeting(#9 in your law)
*****The "meeting" can be a social gathering where the elected
officers have a short discussion with the members of the colony
informing them of the finances, and news of the colony, and upcoming
events. This is an opportunity to get to know each other IN PERSON!
You have an opportunity to create lifelong friendships here...at
least that's how I see it. I mean if you don't want Nova Roma to grow
and flourish, or if work has you utterly swamped, then you can wait
until events in your life allow you the time to attend. And be
honest, is taking 4 days a year to see your new friends such a bad
thing? Not for me. :-)
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Requesting Comments and Discussion.... |
| From: |
"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:25:27 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Brett Murphy <aussiegent@y...>
wrote:
> Will Australia be included?
****It would be my hope the people there would want to form colonies,
so yes! :-)
P. Tarquitius Rufus
|
| Subject: |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:[Nova-Roma]_Re:_Latin_translation?= |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?Q?sa-mann@libero.it?=" <sa-mann@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:34:48 +0200 |
|
> "Dedicata restituioni Relgionis Romanae Classicae, culturae, atque
> virtutum," which, by the way, you can read on the Latin version of
> our web site.
> ITA EST NON!
>
>
> DEDICATVM RESTITVTIONI ROMANAE RELIGIONIS MORE MAIORVM STVDIORVM ET
VIRTVTIS.
>
>
> This is in my opinion the correct translation.
>
> Dedicta: it's feminine. It doesn't look like it should be connected
to anything feminine.
Roma is feminine and Nova Roma is what the past passive participle
modifies.
> Classicae: it's a modern word Romans would have not used.
Actually Romans did use classicus, -um, -a to mean "of or pertaining
to the highest class," which is the sense in which "classical"
originally came into English. That value judgment was part of the way
by which "classical" came to refer to a chronological period. Antiqua
would probably be marginally better, but it doesn't also convey the
value judgment which classica does.
GALLUS SOLARIS: it's even worse than you think. Classicus means originnally and ethimologically: pertaining to the ARMY. Secondly, means: pertaining to the NAVY.
Classicus as in modern "classic" DOES NOT exist in latin until GELLIVS: still, in Gellius means of the highest level. I like the idea of Roman citizen as SOLDIERS, but this is not the desired meaning.
"Religionis Romanae" would follow the stylistic tendency of Latin
prose to place adjectives posterior to the nouns they modify, unless
you are emphasizing the specifically Roman character of the religio in
way that context doesn't already, or there's a metrical reason here
I'm not scanning.
GALLUS SOLARIS: Yes indeed, I emphasize. It's necessary. Religion, in Latin, means: the cult of A divinity. To render what religion, and to render the national Religion of a folk, you have to put Romanae before. That is to say, we don't practice the Religion of Isis, she's foreign, of Artemis, she's foreign, of Jesus the Christ, he's foreign. This concerning the STATE of Nova Roma. In private, you can do what you like, as it's well known.
> Culturae: still a word not used with our meaning in Latin.
I don't see what you mean by "more maiorum studiorum." Why the
ablative "more"? What you are translating -- "dedicated to the
restoration of classical Roman religion, culture, and virtues" --
doesn't contain anything that's particularly well rendered by any form
of "studium." Why not simply "moris mariorum," referring back to
restitutioni?
GALLVS Solaris: You didn't grasp my sentence. Romana Religio More Maiorum: this means Clasic Religion. That is to say, Roman Religion as the custom on the ancients. More is in the ablative form as requested to translate "in the way of...".
CVLTVRA: in Latin means agriculture....It's true, in Latin we find it used by Cicero. But it's a kind "cultural" use of a word which is somehow confusing. STVDIA means "what you study", adding to the word the sense of careful love in order to learn.
> Virtvtvm: in the plural means phisical strengths; you must keep it
in the singular.
This is not so. Cicero, Ovid, and Tacitus (those are instances I
recall just off the top of my head; a string search on plural forms of
virtus in the Latin text archives of the Perseus Project would no
doubt disclose more) use virtus in the plural in the sense of the
intrinsic excellences of a thing.
GALLVS SOLARIS: Virtutes in in the plural has the general meaning of "Heroic deeds".
You point out a special and REALLY uncommon use of the word. The Roman ear listen to virtues as "bold actions: Tacitus, that you mention, is full of this use of the word.
I think your suggestion of "mos maiorum" is a better translation of
"culture" than "cultura" (although Cicero and, if I recall correctly,
Virgil use "cultura animi," but that's not really on point), but on
the whole Julilla's translation is preferrable to the one you have
suggested.
GALLVS SOLARIS: cultura animi is effectively used by Cicero, but does NOT mean "culture", means a kind of moral value. In Latin, if you want to say EDUCATED, you can't say CVLTVS, because it only refers to agriculture again, you have to say DOCTVS or ERVDITVS.
English people should not be misleaded by the Latin origin of an English word. Latin origin is misleading in Italian....think only of a German language, where Latin is a medieval smartness.
I didn't use commas, because Romans didn't.
With commas:
Dedicatum ( State is neutral to me, because I think of the Imperium which is embodied by the State, it's to be declined DEDICATA if you think of Res Publica) restitutioni: religionis Romanae more maiorum, studiorum et virtutis.
Reverenter atque Humiliter
Gallus Solaris Alexander
Bononia
ITALIA
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Searching for Seneca online |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:22:44 -0300 (ART) |
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Salvete, Help me, fellows! Do you know where I can find online Seneca´s treat ´De tranquilitati Animi´ - The Tranquility of the Soul? - On any language! Vale,L. Arminius Faustus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Searching for Seneca online |
| From: |
lanius117@aol.com |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:36:49 -0400 |
|
Salve,
Try this website:
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/texts/seneca.english.html
Vale,
Gaius Lanius Falco
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTVM·PRAETORICIVM·DE·SCRIBAE·DESIGNATIONE |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:19:59 +0200 (CEST) |
|
Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.
EDICTVM·PRAETORICIVM·DE·SCRIBAE·DESIGNATIONE
In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Salix
Astur, praetor, appoint the citizen Gaius Iulius Scaurus as Scriba with
the duty to aid the praetores in the creation of a legislative index
and codex for Nova Roma.
DATVM·A·D·XV·KAL·MAI·K·FABIO·QVINTILLIANO·T·LABIENO·FORTVNATO·COS
ANNO·MMDCCLVI·A·V·C
=====
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PRAETOR·ET·SENATOR
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] ACADEMIA·ANNOUNCE |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:02:36 +0200 (CEST) |
|
Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.
Yes, this is just another Academia Announce (we never stop working here
at the Academia!). So you have my explicit permission to delete this
message if you are not interested at all in Roman culture :-).
After the disclaimer above (I have received a few complaints for these
messages), I will proceed :-).
It is a great pleasure for me to inform that the Academia is at full
speed! I would like you all to know that:
a) A new edition of our Basic Latin Course will be held pretty soon.
This course, imparted by Claudius Salix Davianus, from the University
of Barcelona, will teach you the basic things you need to know to speak
Latin. It is your opportunity to learn the language of our forefathers!
Subscription is already open. Visit the Academia web site at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
and click on "Syllabus Cursuum".
b) You can still subscribe to the Basic Course about Nova Roma. If you
are a new citizen, this will be an excellent opportunity to learn more
about the organization and the history of our young Republic. Learn how
to take advantage of what Nova Roma has to offer!
Subscribe by visiting:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
and clicking on "Syllabus Cursuum".
c) Our Basic Greek History Course begins on Monday, so you still have a
few days to subscribe to it. Remember that Greek history will give you
a general overview of the Roman world (which was mainly a Greek world).
Visit the Academia web site at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
and click on "Syllabus Cursuum".
d) For those of you who can speak the language of Dante and Petrarca,
the Basic Nova Roma Course has now been translated to Italian. It is an
excellent opportunity for all our citizens from Italia, and your
subscription would certainly encourage *more* courses in Italian (and
in other langauges). Please subscribe at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
clicking on "Syllabus Cursuum".
e) The Academia web site can now be viewed in Italian and Finnish. If
you, like me, can not wait to see how "Academia web site" sounds in
Finnish [;-)], visit us at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
Well; that's all for now. With your permission, I will keep you
informed :-).
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR·ET·SENATOR
TRIVMVIR·ACADEMIAE
LICTOR·CVRIATVS
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| Subject: |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BNova-Roma=5D_ACADEMIA=B7ANNOUNCE?= |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:06:47 -0700 |
|
Do you have the spam every list again. I thought this was resolved the last time.
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
To: Academia Thule ML ; America Boreoccidentalis ; Argentina PML ; Australia PML ; Brasil PML ; California et Nevada PML ; Canada Occidentalis PML ; Canada Orientalis PML ; Hispania PML ; Italia PML ; Nova Britannia PML ; Nova Roma Announce ML ; Nova Roma Europe ML ; Nova Roma ML ; Religio Romana ML ; Schola Latina ML ; Sodalitas Athletica ML ; Sodalitas Coqueror et Coquus ; Sodalitas Egressus ML ; Sodalitas Latinitatis ML ; Sodalitas Munerum ML ; Sodalitas Musarum ML ; Sodalitas Virtutis ML ; Thule PML ; Tresviri Academiae ; Venedia PML ; Vizantia PML
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] ACADEMIA·ANNOUNCE
Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.
Yes, this is just another Academia Announce (we never stop working here
at the Academia!). So you have my explicit permission to delete this
message if you are not interested at all in Roman culture :-).
After the disclaimer above (I have received a few complaints for these
messages), I will proceed :-).
It is a great pleasure for me to inform that the Academia is at full
speed! I would like you all to know that:
a) A new edition of our Basic Latin Course will be held pretty soon.
This course, imparted by Claudius Salix Davianus, from the University
of Barcelona, will teach you the basic things you need to know to speak
Latin. It is your opportunity to learn the language of our forefathers!
Subscription is already open. Visit the Academia web site at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
and click on "Syllabus Cursuum".
b) You can still subscribe to the Basic Course about Nova Roma. If you
are a new citizen, this will be an excellent opportunity to learn more
about the organization and the history of our young Republic. Learn how
to take advantage of what Nova Roma has to offer!
Subscribe by visiting:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
and clicking on "Syllabus Cursuum".
c) Our Basic Greek History Course begins on Monday, so you still have a
few days to subscribe to it. Remember that Greek history will give you
a general overview of the Roman world (which was mainly a Greek world).
Visit the Academia web site at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
and click on "Syllabus Cursuum".
d) For those of you who can speak the language of Dante and Petrarca,
the Basic Nova Roma Course has now been translated to Italian. It is an
excellent opportunity for all our citizens from Italia, and your
subscription would certainly encourage *more* courses in Italian (and
in other langauges). Please subscribe at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
clicking on "Syllabus Cursuum".
e) The Academia web site can now be viewed in Italian and Finnish. If
you, like me, can not wait to see how "Academia web site" sounds in
Finnish [;-)], visit us at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/
Well; that's all for now. With your permission, I will keep you
informed :-).
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR·ET·SENATOR
TRIVMVIR·ACADEMIAE
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] CEREALIA HISTORICAL TIME - Ceres, the Plebeain Goddess!!! |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:14:14 -0300 (ART) |
|
In summa,
I - Ceres and the Plebs
II -Ceres and Liminality
III - Ceres and Tellus
Ceres and the Plebs
"And likewise games were held and golden paterae placed at the temple of Ceres by the plebeian aediles L. Aelius Paetus and C Fulvius Curvus with the money from fines that they had collected from those convicted of [illegally] using public pasture." - Livy 10.23.13.
With the founding of the Republic in 500 BC, Ceres picked up a new association as the goddess of the plebeian class. They comprised the bulk of Rome's common citizens, and existed in opposition to the Roman aristocratic class, the patricians (Spaeth 6). The archives of the decrees of the Roman Senate and of the Concilium Plebes were stored in her temple by the plebeian aediles (85). The office of the tribune of the plebs was protected by Ceres directly. Anyone who harmed a tribune could be killed with impunity (Dumezil 195), and his goods consecrated to Ceres. The tribunes derived several other important powers from their association with the goddess. Among these were the right to protect plebs from patrician magistrates, ius auxilii, and the right to impede the action of any patrician magistrate, ius intercessionis. These two rights, sponsored by the goddess, helped make the tribune one of the strongest offices in the entire Roman government. The plebeian aediles may owe their very name to Ceres, as it may be derived from aedes Cereris, the Latin for "Temple of Ceres" (Spaeth 86). Fines levied by them were frequently presented to the goddess as gifts. Such fines were described by the legal term in sacram iudicare (90). At the beginning of the Cerealia, plebeian families typically invited each other to special banquets (92).
Several reasons for why Ceres was made goddess of the plebs have been suggested. One of the more convincing notes that her ancient associations with agriculture and fertility would have made her a commonly worshiped deity among Latin farmers. Another suggests that the Aventine Triad was to have grain importations as its focus, an association that would be compatible with Ceres' older associations with grain (9).
The patricians imported the cult of Magna Mater, or Cybele, explicitly so that their social class would have a goddess that served some of the functions that Ceres did for the plebeians. As a result, there was sharp antagonism between the two cults, who became rivals separated only by the social classes they served. The cult was imported from Pessinus in Asia Minor in 204 BCE, and welcomed into the city by a vir optimus, or best man, selected from one of the most distinguished patrician families. The matrons that escorted the goddess on the road from Ostia to Rome were entirely drawn from the patrician class. After the completion of Magna Mater's temple on the Palatine in 191 BCE, games were established in her honor in which patricians received special privileges and patrician families held banquets (92). Magna Mater's games, the ludi Megalenses, directly preceded the Cerialia and were celebrated by the curule aediles, who were drawn largely from the patrician class. The Palatine itself was a district largely associated with the patricians, and the temple of Ceres, Liber, and Libera on the Aventine directly faced the temple of Magna Mater that stood there (94).
The same year the temple of Magna Mater was dedicated, a new festival dedicated to Ceres was established. This festival was called the ieinium Cereris, and may have represented a plebeian response to the new patrician goddess. The festival lasted nine days and was originally held every five years (96), though it was held every year beginning on October 4 by the time of Augustus. In it, women fasted and offered the first wheat harvest to Ceres
Ceres and Liminality
One of the many spheres Ceres had influence over was liminality, boundaries and transitions between different stages of social life. This is a function she shared with Janus. The ritual of the mundus Cereris, for instance, was believed to break down the barriers between the world of the living and the world of the dead and thereby allow ghosts to roam the world. Spaeth suggests that the site of the ritual could be associated with the circular bothros in the Roman Forum. If true, this would indicate that the mundus Cereris was a ritual somehow tied to the very origins of Rome itself. She was also associated with divorce and marriage, and a torch was carried in her honor in wedding processions (Spaeth 5). The "law of Romulus" enumerated the three reasons for which a husband could legally divorce his wife, which included poisoning their children, counterfeiting his keys, and adultery. If he left her for any other reason, then half of his goods would be forfeit to his wife, and the other half consecrated to Ceres (Dumezil 376).
Many laws were associated with Ceres in her liminal aspect. The property of sancrosanctitas, the divine protection the tribune of the plebs was under, was part of Ceres' sphere of influence. So was the law that called for the punishment of anyone who attempted to set himself up as a tyrant. The goods and person of those executed for attempted tyranny were consecrated to Ceres (Spaeth 10). Many literary sources also associate her in general with the concept of law, order, and social tranquility (27). She even assimilated several minor goddesses who embodied the idea of social order. On a denarius from the period of the Civil Wars appear together the wheat stalks of Ceres, the caduceus of Pax the goddess of peace, and the clasped hands of Concordia the goddess of harmony (28).
The goddess also embodied the idea of castitas, or purity, especially as regards ritual purity and the sexual purity of women. As relates to women, sexual castitas or chastity takes on a liminal function. The violation of a woman's chastity forced her to cross a social boundary and leave her previous state of existence forever. To the Romans, the violation of chastity had great political, economic, and social significance (116).
Ceres and Tellus
"Let Tellus, fertile in fruits and herds, present Ceres with a crown of wheat stalks; let the healthy waters and breezes of Jupiter nourish the offspring." - Horace, Carm. Saec. 29- 32
Ceres was part of a special cult with the ancient Italic goddess Tellus, who personified the Earth. They shared an ancient feast day on December 13, which was associated with the end of the sowing season. The Feriae Sementivae, associated with the protection of seeded crops, honored both goddesses in the latter half of January. The festival of Tellus, the Fordicicia, was celebrated on April 15. The Cerealia occurred only four days later, an interval of time often used by the Romans to separate related festivals (Spaeth 5). Tellus was often mentioned alongside Ceres in early Roman funeral sacrifices. Through her association with Tellus, Ceres eclipsed her in the second century BCE and began to be associated directly with the Earth herself.
Even before this period, Ceres and Tellus were occasionally alleged to be one and the same. Tellus had some spheres of influence that were similar to Ceres'. For instance, it was customary to sacrifice a pregnant cow to Tellus as part of the wedding of a widow. While it was not specified to whom the sacrifice was dedicated, it was typical to sacrifice a pig at the beginning of a marriage, and the pig was the favorite victim of Ceres. Varro claimed the pig represented the untouched sexual organs of the bride, and the sacrifice the consummation of the marriage. This is consistent with what else is known about Ceres' role in fertility and liminality. The similarity of Tellus' and Ceres' roles in marriage and fertility indicates some sort of unusually close relationship (47).
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Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus
Plebeian Aedile
POST - SCRIPTUM - QUICK AGENDA:
18th April - Last round (postponed) of the Gladiatorial Fight
- Finals of the Chariot Races
19th April - Ending of Cerealia
22th April - Deadline for judges of the Cerealia Literary Contest evaluating.
25th April - Deadline for the aediles announce the Cerelia Literary Contest 2756 Winners.
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mock Elections: Computer simulation? |
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"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org> |
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Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:20:29 +0100 (BST) |
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A. Apollonius to Rogator Q. Cassius Calvus and all
citizens and peregrines, greetings.
I agree that the write-in option is better than
nothing, and the other possibilities are not hugely
superior, they just give voters the ability to cast a
protest vote which has a higher chance of actually
achieving the non-election of the candidates they
don't like, since as you say there's no hope with the
write-in system of securing the non-election of all
the candidates without having a coordinated campaign
for another particular person; whereas with the other
options there's simply an 'I don't like any of them'
option. It's not a big difference, but it's good that
you've mentioned it, as it was an aspect of the issue
that I hadn't thought very much about before.
I'm glad to hear that you're intrigued by the Consul's
proposal - I'm rather excited about it myself (which
is probably a stronger feeling than any sane person
should have about electoral reform!). I don't think a
date has yet been set for the publication, but it will
be quite soon I believe.
As for formality, I tend to err on the formal side
when speaking in the Forum, since it costs nothing and
can sometimes avoid misunderstandings, but thanks for
the dispensation. When in private conversation (which
this has virtually become, I think) I usually drop
into a more relaxed register. :)
Cordus
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[Nova-Roma] Chariot Races Final!!! |
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"curiobritannicus" <Marcusaemiliusscaurus@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:20:47 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes!
The final is upon us! Out of more than 20 excellent racing drivers,
we have found the four finalists who will be competing for the
championship of the Ludi Cerealia. The four cives whose chariots
have made it this far are cheered to their seats by the fans - Marcus
Octavius Germanicus, with his chariot B.S.D. Liber representing
Albata, along with his teammate Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, who owns the
chariot Imperator Invictus. Representing Veneta is the chariot
Orionis Draco, owned by Titus Licinius Crassus. Marcus Minucius
Audens of Praesina owns the fourth chariot, Green Flash. So, with
these cives still basking in the applause. let the race begin!
************************FINAL********************
Name: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
factio: Albata
driver: Carolus Daemonicus
chariot: B.S.D. Liber
q/s tactic: hurry in last laps
fin tactic: pass closely the spina
Name: Titus Licinius Crassus
Factio: Veneta
Chariot: Orionis Draco
Driver: Equus Magnus
Quarters and Semi Strategy: (6)
Finals Strategy: (2)
Name: Marcus Minucius Audens
Factio: Praesina
Driver: Pugio
Name of Chariot:Green Flash
Tactics: Hurry in last laps
Name: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Factio: Albata
Driver: Draco Borealis
Chariot: Imperator Invictus
Tactics: To push the rivals to the wall of the circus (all rounds)
So, we have the final four. This is the big moment, quirites! We
have fans of Albata, Praesina, and Veneta, all hoping this is their
moment. And maybe a few confused Russata fans as well, perhaps
disbelieving the fact that their mighty armada of chariots did not
reach the final. But there go the chariots! Green Flash hurries
ahead, and Audens curses Pugio's impetuosity in disobeying his
instructions. However, it seems to work, as only Orionis Draco is
able to keep up - both Imperator Invictus and B.S.D. Liber are left
far behind. Imperator Invictus attempts to push B.S.D. Liber against
the circus walls, but Carolus Daemonicus avoids this skillfully.
Meanwhile, Orionis Draco is slowly catching up with Green Flash by
cutting corners wherever possible. And then, they are neck and neck,
with Green Flash on the inner track, hoping this will knock enough
seconds off its time to gain the advantage over Orionis Draco.
Meanwhile, Imperator Invictus surges ahead of B.S.D. Liber, giving up
trying to destroy the expert Daemonicus. But look what's happening
ahead! Orionis Draco has moved inwards, knowing that his tactics
will be impossible to use unless he's on the inside. But Pugio
bravely refuses to move, and Orionis Draco, infuriated, moves in
further, soon colliding with Green Flash. Green Flash is thrown
against the walls, where Pugio sustains a small bump to the head,
forgetting the entire race. Orionis Draco, on the other hand, has
its wheel broken, and also comes to a halt. Imperator Invictus
speeds past the two unlucky drivers, with B.S.D. Liber not far
behind. B.S.D. Liber draws up beside Imperator Invictus, but is
forced to fall back when Imperator Invictus also moves inwards,
threatening to give B.S.D. Liber the same fate as Green Flash! They
continue battling for position, but its too late for B.S.D. Liber as
Imperator Invictus crossed the finish line, followed only 2 seconds
later by B.S.D. Liber.
Winner: Imperator Invictus
2nd: B.S.D. Liber
3rd: Accident!
4th: Accident!
We have our winner! The champion of the Ludi Cerealia Chariot Races
is Imperator Invictus, driven by Draco Borealis and owned by Gaius
Vipsanius Agrippa. This truly is a time of strength for the Albata
factio! Congratulations, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa!
Many thanks for watching the races of the Ludi Cerealia, and enjoy
the rest of the Ludi!
Bene valete,
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.
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[Nova-Roma] Oath as Scriba |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:07:55 -0000 |
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G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
Avete, Quirites.
In accordance with the Edictum Consulare Caesonis Fabii Quintiliani
III de Iusiurando Apparitorum I proffer the following oath upon
appointment by Gnaeus Salix Astur Praetor as Scriba:
I, Gaius Iulius Scaurus, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of Gnaeus Salix
Astur Praetor while I hold this office, except when such action would
be illegal or unconstitutional.
I, Gaius Iulius Scaurus, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
Responsibilities of the office of Scriba to the best of my Abilities
while following the Roman virtues and ideals.
I, Gaius Iulius Scaurus, swear to give faithful service to my
magistrate, and not to divulge any information discussed in
confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my
magistrate.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Scriba with all the privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Valete, Quirites.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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