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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:03:10 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Decimus Marius Octavian .."
<dansquiers@h...> wrote:
> That sounds like the National Socialist Party of the 1930s.

Salve Decime,

No, Mussolini started the Fascist Party in Italy. As I said his
dreams of conquest through violence and his association with Hitler
did his system in. I only used him as an analogy since he is the only
leader in the last few hundred years who dreamed of the restoration
of Rome and her greatness and did try to put the arts and
architecture in that direction. Look up the "model of ancient Rome"
in our archives and see the immense model he commissioned.

National Socialism came out of Germany and though it copied a few
ideas from Fascism, its agendas, especially racial superiority,
antisemitism etc were different and would not have been compatible
with either Ancient or a new multicultural modern Rome. Besides,
Armenius, the Germanic leader who ambushed and slaughtered 3 Roman
legions in the Teutoburg forest in AD 9 was a great hero of the
National Socialists who even made a movie honoring that Barbarian
victory and boasting how the Romans were driven from Germany forever
and letting the Aryans flourish.

If you go over my posting again you see that I said we should build a
new Rome through democratic means by getting great economic and
political leaders in power first from Italy amd then the world.

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

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>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Declaration of Nova Roma
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:11:25 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Omnes,

Some recent comments on this forum lead me to beleave
that some might not be aware of Nova Roma's goals,
therefore I'm posting the Declaration of Nova Roma
from the Tabularium. The Declaration is explicit
regarding Nova Roma's territorial ambitions and in
renouncing certain means to achive our goals.

We, the Senate and People of New Rome, in order to
restore the foundations of Western Civilization,
declare the founding of Nova Roma as a soverign
Nation. We manifest Nova Roma as an independent world
nation and republic, with its own legal constitution
and lawful government, with all international rights
and responsibilities that such status carries.

As a soverign nation Nova Roma makes the following
claim to various international territories and rights:

We acknowledge ancient Roman territory to be our
cultural and religious homeland, and claim historical
rights to all sites and territories which were under
the direct control or administration of the ancient
Roman Republic and Empire between 753 BCE and 395 CE.

We recognize the modern political realities which make
the restoration of such ancient lands to us
impossible. Therefore we limit our active territorial
claim to an amount of land at least equal to that held
by the sovereign state of Vatican City; 108 contiguous
acres. On this land a world capital for the
admistration of our culture will be founded in the
form of a Forum Romanum. The exact site for this New
Roman governmental and spiritual capital is to be
determined.

Further, in order that our world presence may be
established, Nova Roma claims our physical territory
to be extant and manifest through those places that
our State, Citizens, and religious organizations may
physically own, occupy, and maintain throughout the
world. These territories shall exist in a status of
Dual Sovereignity, being under the cultural and
spiritual administration of Nova Roma, even as they
remain under the civil dominion and laws of other
hosting nations. Our pledge is to embody a benign and
beneficial cultural and spiritual influence throughout
all societies, while remaining politically neutral and
lawful in action.

Nova Roma also claims temporary Dual Sovereignity over
all other sites where the Gods and Goddesses of
ancient Rome shall be worshipped by our Citizens, to
preserve our cultural and spiritual unity. This dual
sovereignity shall be administered by the People
directly and shall last only for the duration of
religious ceremonies and rites. In this way we shall
remain one culture and nation, even as we exist
throughout other world countries.

Citizenship in Nova Roma is open to people of all
nationalities and races. The express purpose of our
nation is to promote international understanding and
cooperation through the preservation of our common
Classical foundation, and to breathe new life and
honor into all Western Civilization through the
restoration of ancient Piety, Virtue, and Civilitas.

We, the Citizens and Senate of New Rome hereby
formally renounce, eternally and without exception,
the use of force, rebellion, coercion, or intimidation
in the pursuit of our international status and claims.
We strive to exist as a lawful, peaceful and benign
nation, in accord with the principles acknowledged and
shared by the world community.

Signed this day on behalf of the Senate and People of
the New Rome

II Kal. Mar., MMDCCLI ab urbe condita (February 28th
1998)

Flavius Vedius Germanicus, Consul

Cassius Iulianus, Consul

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Declaration of Nova Roma
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:33:45 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Some recent comments on this forum lead me to beleave
> that some might not be aware of Nova Roma's goals,
> therefore I'm posting the Declaration of Nova Roma
> from the Tabularium. The Declaration is explicit
> regarding Nova Roma's territorial ambitions and in
> renouncing certain means to achive our goals.
>
>Salve Iscini,

Thank you for the reminder of the goals of NR. I was thinking in
terms of a situation where eventually "great masses" of people would
want to return to their cultural classic Roman roots; if for example
the people of Italy or other country would someday yearn for a Roman
style culture, government and lifestyle again and put it in fairly
and democratically. Who knows; if there was ever a world holocaust,
some social engineers predicted that the survivors would be back to
ancient or medieval - like societies again.

Regards

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Yours respectfully


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Manumission of Zosimus
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:39:11 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Let all Rome know that today I have purchased the slave Zosimus the
Eassedarius from lanista who owned him. In honour of Ceres, patroness
of the Plebs, who once were held in servitude by my patrician
ancestors, I have chosen to manumit Zosimus, not just because he
performed so well in the arena in the munera of the Ludi Cerealis, but
also because he won the rudis from the Aedilis' hand by portraying
that Trojan hero Paris, favoured by Venus, mother of Aeneas,
progenitor of the noble Gens Iulia. I would not leave a man of such
courage and prowess no longer a gladiator but still a slave to a
lanista. I purchased him from his lanista for a handsome price.

I led Zosimus to the forum to grant him manumissio per vindictam. I
brought him to the Praetor Gn. Salix Astur and stated the cause for
which I have chosen to free him. The lictor drew a festuca from his
fasces and placed it on Zosimus' head, declaring that he "vindicavit
in libertatem." While I held Zosimus close to me. I pronounced the
words, "hunc hominem liberum volo," then turned him around and pushed
him away from me, announcing that "emisit a manu." Thereupon the
noble Praetor uttered the vital words "Addico: hic homo liberum est."
He is a free, Roman man. His name will be Gaius Iulius Zosimus
Victor in my clientele.

He has agreed to provide protection to the drivers of Praesina who
have been the targets of perfidious plots from other factiones
recently. Let the malefactors take note that Zosimus is as effective
with dagger and sword as with his essedarian spear. Perhaps he is he
sort of man who will make white assassins gush with red blood.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: go to: i am a friend
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:44:36 -0000

> Today's political climate is not forgiving to small
> groups that advocate achiving thier goals by force. It
> is a suicidal path that leads to death or prison. Even
> Prior to the Terrorist attacks of 2001 Nova Roma was
> investigated by the FBI. Todays reality is far harsher
> than it was when some comments in the back alley led
> to the FBI checking out Nova Roma.
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> Roman Citizen
>
Salve Druse,

I agree with your last comment. Still I am amazed that the FBI would
investigate a micronation based on an Ancient Culture exsisting for
now only in cyberspace. I thought their time may have been better
spent, even if it was only one agent, investigating the likes of KKK,
malitia groups, hate mongers, pornographers and all. Oh well, it
seems that agent or agents were barking up the wrong tree at that
time does it not?

regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Moderation Notice
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:35:12 -0700

LOL how surprising...

I gave my advice to not feed the troll.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Moderation Notice

Salvete Quirites.

This is to announce that I have decided to moderate a message
from "Decimus Marius Octavian" ( dansquiers@hotmail.com ) because of
its explicitly insulting content.

I am forwarding the original message to the tribuni plebis so they
can issue an intercessio against this decision if that is their wish.
Should that happen, I will post the original message to this forum.

Should anyone feel mistreated by this decision, he is invited to
contact the tribuni plebis at tribunes@novaroma.org to express his
petition.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: go to: i am a friend
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:36:12 -0700

That wasn't why they investigated Nova Roma. If your interested in the details please email me privately and I will explain the situation.

I also have the threads in my personal archieves that prompted the investigation by the FBI as well.

Respectfully,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:44 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: go to: i am a friend

> Today's political climate is not forgiving to small
> groups that advocate achiving thier goals by force. It
> is a suicidal path that leads to death or prison. Even
> Prior to the Terrorist attacks of 2001 Nova Roma was
> investigated by the FBI. Todays reality is far harsher
> than it was when some comments in the back alley led
> to the FBI checking out Nova Roma.
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> Roman Citizen
>
Salve Druse,

I agree with your last comment. Still I am amazed that the FBI would
investigate a micronation based on an Ancient Culture exsisting for
now only in cyberspace. I thought their time may have been better
spent, even if it was only one agent, investigating the likes of KKK,
malitia groups, hate mongers, pornographers and all. Oh well, it
seems that agent or agents were barking up the wrong tree at that
time does it not?

regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: go to: i am a friend
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:49:37 EDT

In a message dated 4/20/03 5:45:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mjk@datanet.ab.ca writes:

> Still I am amazed that the FBI would
> investigate a micronation based on an Ancient Culture existing for
> now only in cyberspace. I thought their time may have been better
> spent, even if it was only one agent, investigating the likes of KKK,
> militia groups, hate mongers, pornographers and all

Salvete.
Since I was a Consul at the time, some explanation is in order.

Nova Roma's e-mail lists, like most militant cyberspace organizations, was
under the e-mail moderating program called WATCHDOG. It keys to certain
words, and one citizen on the back alley, those days called the Crossroads,
made mention of some of those "keywords" in a joke. WATCHDOG doesn't
understand context, just the words, and we were "Red Flagged."
I was tipped to this by one of my friends in the Bureau and I had to go to
the regional director's office with a ton of downloaded paper information.

The upshot was we were removed from the red flagged list, and was warned.
However Nova Roma right now is not on any Bureau red flag list.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] go to: i am a friend
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT)

I Agree!!
--- AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 4/20/2003 6:40:22 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> dansquiers@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > the vatican is built around a religion and the
> religion and respect for the
> > pope is what lead to the vatican. I think the
> neither is smarter the pope
> > is
> > living a dream where he is the only infalable
> human on matters of falth and
> >
> > thinks that he is the vicor of christ on earth ,
> no where in the bible is
> > this written. David Koresh was a mad man who
> thought he was christ. I am
> > christian but i find nothing worth copying about
> either.
>
> I know this will sound rude, but your posts make
> absolutely no sense to me.
>
> G. Modius Athanasius
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: go to: i am a friend
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:19:09 -0000

Salvete Q. Fabi Maxime & L Corneli Sulla,

Thank you for your explaination. Our government in Canada has some
sort of system in monitoring cell, sat, and home phones that keys on
to certain red flag words. Still, it is amazing how much we are
monitored. In many ways I fear the computers,listening and monitoring
devices are more of a threat to freedom than firearms, especially if
they someday get into the wrong hands.

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

> Salvete.
> Since I was a Consul at the time, some explanation is in order.
>
> Nova Roma's e-mail lists, like most militant cyberspace
organizations, was
> under the e-mail moderating program called WATCHDOG. It keys to
certain
> words, and one citizen on the back alley, those days called the
Crossroads,
> made mention of some of those "keywords" in a joke. WATCHDOG
doesn't
> understand context, just the words, and we were "Red Flagged."
> I was tipped to this by one of my friends in the Bureau and I had
to go to
> the regional director's office with a ton of downloaded paper
information.
>
> The upshot was we were removed from the red flagged list, and was
warned.
> However Nova Roma right now is not on any Bureau red flag list.
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: go to: i am a friend
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:36:34 -0700 (PDT)

--- Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> wrote:
> > Today's political climate is not forgiving to
> small
> > groups that advocate achiving thier goals by
> force. It
> > is a suicidal path that leads to death or prison.
> Even
> > Prior to the Terrorist attacks of 2001 Nova Roma
> was
> > investigated by the FBI. Todays reality is far
> harsher
> > than it was when some comments in the back alley
> led
> > to the FBI checking out Nova Roma.
> >
> >
> > =====
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > Roman Citizen
> >
> Salve Druse,
>
> I agree with your last comment. Still I am amazed
> that the FBI would
> investigate a micronation based on an Ancient
> Culture exsisting for
> now only in cyberspace. I thought their time may
> have been better
> spent, even if it was only one agent, investigating
> the likes of KKK,
> malitia groups, hate mongers, pornographers and all.
> Oh well, it
> seems that agent or agents were barking up the wrong
> tree at that
> time does it not?
>
>
> regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salve,
Mussolini and Napoleon looked apon the Roman Empire as
a model for thier conquests. Hitler looked back to
Heathen Germania as a model for the "Aryan" race.
Today Osama Bin Laden looks back to the Arabian Empire
for his "ideal" state.

There are some very dangrous groups out there that
push thier violent aims under the guise of "restoring"
past greatness.

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] go to: i am a friend to trolls and weirdos
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:56:23 -0700 (PDT)

OCTAVIAN

I have had many conflicts with many people here, but
I'm just to tired to start another one. I just don't
have the heart to crush your dreams, so I digress.
''Homey don't play that!''

But I will try to have a nice conversation with you.
The problem is that you are trying to push people into
seeing your vision. I agree that in the past sometimes
it did work, but as a NRoman who has tried this before
"just not like this CRAZY IDEA" and failed at it.All
I'm saying is learn from others who has walked that
path. It just won't work!!

"A fool who knows his foolishness is wise at least to
that extent, but a fool who thinks himself wise is
called a fool indeed."
Brutis

PS..I do have vision, well at least now that I got my
contacts updated to 20/20.

--- "Decimus Marius Octavian .."
<dansquiers@hotmail.com> wrote:
> you have no vision
>
>
>
> DECIMUS MARIUS OCTAVIAN
> PRIMUS PILUS,LEGIO IVLIANA
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] go to: i am a friend to
> trolls and weirdos
> >Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:16:38 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Sulla
> >I tried to hold back,I tried to hold my tounge but
> >really you know me I just can't!......
> >
> >
> >Decimus Marius Octavian
> >Ok first off in this day and time popping up in
> some
> >country that your are not already in, will get you
> >nothing.
> >This is laughable!!!
> >
> >What are we to rise up here in the US?
> >PLEASE Half of us NRoman's can't even agree on
> where
> >to place are land even if we had it, but you are
> >asking us to take over what???
> >France?Iraq? or HEY MAYBE WE"LL TAKE OVER
> MEXICO.....
> >YES!!!! THAT'S IT WE'LL TAKE OLD MEXICO,they should
> be
> >a push over.....
> >
> >Do you see how dumb that is????
> >I agree with you that a strong army would be a good
> >Idea, however where are you going to get the
> people???
> >Most NRoman's are happy where they live and would
> >never move just to get smashed by the UN OR even
> the
> >US.
> >
> >I'm not trying to brake you dreams here but you are
> >going about it the wrong way.....
> >
> >I've got to say this crazy idea sounds more like
> >something I'd say....
> >PLEASE don't be like me, half the people here
> seethat
> >an e-mail is from me and run to the DELETE
> BUTTON.....
> >"HAHA go ahead laugh at the clown, At least I know
> >what I am"...LOL
> >JUST JOKING!!!
> >
> >Really it would help if you where all together like
> >Ireland, than I could see it.
> >You have to take baby steps with NR and not push
> >people, that's the way people get burned out fast.
> >
> >Remember ROMA was not built in a day!!!!
> >
> >I thank you for a good try and getting us up on our
> >feet.Please feel free to stick around and find
> those
> >who would see your way, and by all means try to
> make
> >some friends. This is what some of us are here for,
> >and you get more fish with a worm, not a beer can
> "I
> >have tried".
> >
> >G.Porticus Brutis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] North African Epigraphy
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:58:55 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Latino-Punic and Graeco-Punic Texts from North
Africa" website:

http://www.let.leidenuniv.nl/vtw/jongeling/latpun/Lat-Pun/LP.htm

This site was created by K. Jongeling (Department of Comparative
Linguistics, Leiden University) and contains the vast majority of the
extant Latino-Punic and Graeco-Punic inscriptions with images of the
epigraphs, texts, translations, a dictionary of the vocabulary of the
inscriptions, commentary, and a bibliography. The frames setup is a
bit complicated and sometimes distracting from the content, but the
site is a work of considerable scholarship.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Moderation Notice
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:14:30 -0400

Salve

I do not dispute the Praetors right to moderate any posting on this list.
But as we strive to build a real Roman society in the modern world , I have
to ask can his words be that bad? Are they words that can not be read by
citizens who are mostly adults and who have some degree of intelligence
and experience?

I would rather see the words than not.

Just my humble opinion.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Moderation Notice

Salvete Quirites.

This is to announce that I have decided to moderate a message
from "Decimus Marius Octavian" ( dansquiers@hotmail.com ) because of
its explicitly insulting content.

I am forwarding the original message to the tribuni plebis so they
can issue an intercessio against this decision if that is their wish.
Should that happen, I will post the original message to this forum.

Should anyone feel mistreated by this decision, he is invited to
contact the tribuni plebis at tribunes@novaroma.org to express his
petition.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:23:11 -0700 (PDT)

To a Hourable man.
You shall be missed, we will remember you always and
pray that you will be of good health.I hope that in
time we will have a place to remember the our
brothers,and a place that you will be able to share
your wisdom to the world. May God bless you and keep
you.
I hope that we shall keep you as a member of Nova Roma
even if you can not see that you are, just know in our
hearts you will always be our Brother.
I turn my cup up to you oh Great Octavia Fabia Scriba!

Let us all remember him, and drink to his health and
streangth.

TO Octavia Fabia Scriba!!!
HAIL ROMA

Brutis

--- biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma. I've
> paid taxes for
> this year, so please use it as my
> donation/contribution to your
> wonderful group. Please take me off as a member. I
> need to have this
> message forwarded to the correct person. The reason
> is I am nearly
> blind and use a screen reader (audio). It is too
> difficult for me to
> surf the Web for all the clubs I belong to. At the
> moment I can't
> find the correct email address to send this to in
> order to be
> removed from the group.
>
> I am cutting down on various organizations as I
> won't be able to
> participate online and am going offline most of the
> time, except for
> email. I really love your group and what it's doing
> in the field of
> education as I'm a devout ancient history buff. My
> favorite ancient
> history fiction author is Steven Saylor and I listen
> to his audio
> books frequently and enjoy the authentic detailed
> historical
> research and great metaphors. So I want to say bye
> bye to you all
> from Octavia in San Francisco.
>
> You can browse my historical novel about ancient
> Rome by clicking on
> my Web site: http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com
>
> Bye Bye
>
> Octavia Fabia Scriba
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:24:06 -0700 (PDT)

To a Honorable man.
You shall be missed, we will remember you always and
pray that you will be of good health.I hope that in
time we will have a place to remember the our
brothers,and a place that you will be able to share
your wisdom to the world. May God bless you and keep
you.
I hope that we shall keep you as a member of Nova Roma
even if you can not see that you are, just know in our
hearts you will always be our Brother.
I turn my cup up to you oh Great Octavia Fabia Scriba!

Let us all remember him, and drink to his health and
strength.

TO Octavia Fabia Scriba!!!
HAIL ROMA

Brutis

--- biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma. I've
> paid taxes for
> this year, so please use it as my
> donation/contribution to your
> wonderful group. Please take me off as a member. I
> need to have this
> message forwarded to the correct person. The reason
> is I am nearly
> blind and use a screen reader (audio). It is too
> difficult for me to
> surf the Web for all the clubs I belong to. At the
> moment I can't
> find the correct email address to send this to in
> order to be
> removed from the group.
>
> I am cutting down on various organizations as I
> won't be able to
> participate online and am going offline most of the
> time, except for
> email. I really love your group and what it's doing
> in the field of
> education as I'm a devout ancient history buff. My
> favorite ancient
> history fiction author is Steven Saylor and I listen
> to his audio
> books frequently and enjoy the authentic detailed
> historical
> research and great metaphors. So I want to say bye
> bye to you all
> from Octavia in San Francisco.
>
> You can browse my historical novel about ancient
> Rome by clicking on
> my Web site: http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com
>
> Bye Bye
>
> Octavia Fabia Scriba
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Concrete
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:26:12 -0700 (PDT)

Caesariensis
My friend I agree.
It has been something I will keep looking in to.
Brutis
--- me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From : “G.Porticus Brutis“ <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
> Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Concrete
> Caesariensis
> >I'm sorry to bother you with that,I found the
> answer
> >for a guy at a archaeology site.
> >If you want to know the web site is....
> >http://www.geopolymer.org/archaeo1a.html
> >
> Interesting isn't it? From the way they describe it,
> the casing could well be manufactured then because
> it's a case of taking the stone apart and putting it
> back together again with no substantial change to
> ingredients. It would certainly help to get the
> casing regular.
>
> Caesariensis
>
>
> --
> Personalised email by http://another.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
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>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Concrete
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:31:00 -0700 (PDT)

Scaurus
Thank you I'll look into these...
Boy, You have just filled me nights.I know I'll be
busy this week!
Thanks my Friend
Brutis

--- Gregory Rose <gfr@intcon.net> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus G. Portico Bruti salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, G. Portice.
>
> The Davidovits-Morris theory that the Giza pyramids
> were constructed
> from cast-in-place concrete blocks, _The Pyramids -
> An Engima Solved_
> (NY, 1988), rather than quarried blocks of natural
> limestone has been
> thoroughly discredited by both geologists and
> Egyptologists; for
> details see: R.L. Folk and D.H. Campbell, "Are the
> pyramids built of
> poured concrete blocks?," _Journal of Geological
> Education_ 40 (1992),
> 25-34; and J.A. Harrell and B.E. Penrod, "The great
> pyramid debate -
> evidence from the Lauer sample," _Journal of
> Geological Education_ 41
> (1993), 358-363.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:32:38 -0400

Salve Romans

Here Here!!! Well said Gnaeus Salix Astur

Here is a REAL world problem.

Does anybody have any idea how this list (and the other things we do in NR
vie the web) can be broadcast in a internet like radio format. Does the
technology exist to help our blind citizens to remain a part of us?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Octavia.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "biojournalism"
<biojournalism@h...> wrote:
> I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma. I've paid taxes for
> this year, so please use it as my donation/contribution to your
> wonderful group. Please take me off as a member. I need to have
> this message forwarded to the correct person. The reason is I am
> nearly blind and use a screen reader (audio). It is too difficult
> for me to surf the Web for all the clubs I belong to. At the moment
> I can't find the correct email address to send this to in order to
> be removed from the group.
>
> I am cutting down on various organizations as I won't be able to
> participate online and am going offline most of the time, except
> for email. I really love your group and what it's doing in the
> field of education as I'm a devout ancient history buff. My
> favorite ancient history fiction author is Steven Saylor and I
> listen to his audio books frequently and enjoy the authentic
> detailed historical research and great metaphors. So I want to say
> bye bye to you all from Octavia in San Francisco.
>
> You can browse my historical novel about ancient Rome by clicking
> on my Web site: http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com
>
> Bye Bye
>
> Octavia Fabia Scriba

I don't know if this message will get to you, but I just wanted to
say that I am really, really sorry to see you go. In the last few
months you have shared your great enthusiasm with us, and it has been
a wonderful experience.

I hope that either your vision will improve in the future or, should
that be impossible, you will have access to better technology to
overcome that terrible ailment. Please be strong and do not give up;
you have much to give to the world.

I will pray to Aesculapius in your name. May He, who has done such
things in the past, cure you. I will offer Him wheat and honey if He
does.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:46:40 -0700 (PDT)

Quintus
Very good job..
By the way I would love a nice resort with your spiced
wine.Couldn't you see it???
Come tonight to the Quintus Bar N Grill the best dang
wine Ever!!
see ya there
Brutis
--- Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Decimus Marius
> Octavian .."
> <dansquiers@h...> wrote:
> > That sounds like the National Socialist Party of
> the 1930s.
>
>
>
> Salve Decime,
>
> No, Mussolini started the Fascist Party in Italy. As
> I said his
> dreams of conquest through violence and his
> association with Hitler
> did his system in. I only used him as an analogy
> since he is the only
> leader in the last few hundred years who dreamed of
> the restoration
> of Rome and her greatness and did try to put the
> arts and
> architecture in that direction. Look up the "model
> of ancient Rome"
> in our archives and see the immense model he
> commissioned.
>
> National Socialism came out of Germany and though it
> copied a few
> ideas from Fascism, its agendas, especially racial
> superiority,
> antisemitism etc were different and would not have
> been compatible
> with either Ancient or a new multicultural modern
> Rome. Besides,
> Armenius, the Germanic leader who ambushed and
> slaughtered 3 Roman
> legions in the Teutoburg forest in AD 9 was a great
> hero of the
> National Socialists who even made a movie honoring
> that Barbarian
> victory and boasting how the Romans were driven from
> Germany forever
> and letting the Aryans flourish.
>
> If you go over my posting again you see that I said
> we should build a
> new Rome through democratic means by getting great
> economic and
> political leaders in power first from Italy amd then
> the world.
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> /junkmail
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Moderation Notice
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:10:51 -0700 (PDT)

Good Lord Sulla You were Right!
How dumb can I get...
I'll try to keep my mouth shut!
However you know that really hard for me to do.
Brutis

--- "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> LOL how surprising...
>
> I gave my advice to not feed the troll.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:47 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Moderation Notice
>
>
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> This is to announce that I have decided to
> moderate a message
> from "Decimus Marius Octavian" (
> dansquiers@hotmail.com ) because of
> its explicitly insulting content.
>
> I am forwarding the original message to the
> tribuni plebis so they
> can issue an intercessio against this decision if
> that is their wish.
> Should that happen, I will post the original
> message to this forum.
>
> Should anyone feel mistreated by this decision, he
> is invited to
> contact the tribuni plebis at
> tribunes@novaroma.org to express his
> petition.
>
> CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
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>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Moderation Notice
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 04:29:43 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> I do not dispute the Praetors right to moderate any posting on this
list.
> But as we strive to build a real Roman society in the modern
world , I have
> to ask can his words be that bad? Are they words that can not be
read by
> citizens who are mostly adults and who have some degree of
intelligence
> and experience?
>
> I would rather see the words than not.

There are certain rules, called the list guidlines, that we as
praetors must follow. Among these are the use of profanity or
personally insulting language. His message contained both. It was not
a matter of content as there were no coherent thoughts to edit. It
was short, RUDE and to the point.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Praetor


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Moderation Notice
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:34:28 -0400

Salve Praetor

As I said your call.

Vale

Tiberius

----- Original Message -----
From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 12:29 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Moderation Notice

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > I do not dispute the Praetors right to moderate any posting on this
> list.
> > But as we strive to build a real Roman society in the modern
> world , I have
> > to ask can his words be that bad? Are they words that can not be
> read by
> > citizens who are mostly adults and who have some degree of
> intelligence
> > and experience?
> >
> > I would rather see the words than not.
>
> There are certain rules, called the list guidlines, that we as
> praetors must follow. Among these are the use of profanity or
> personally insulting language. His message contained both. It was not
> a matter of content as there were no coherent thoughts to edit. It
> was short, RUDE and to the point.
>
> Vale,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
> Praetor
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:44:14 -0700 (PDT)

Oh ah.....oh boy..
How bad I look right now...
OK OK SISTER

SORRY Octavia Fabia Scriba
I'll dig a nice hole and jump in...
God how dumb I am..
I blame it on a crazy youth.......
Brutis
--- jan gram wrote:
> Salve Brutis: Just a note: Octavia Fabia Scriba
> is a woman and not a man, and it seems you confused
> her in calling her brother. Vale
>
> "G.Porticus Brutis" wrote:To
> a Honorable man.
> You shall be missed, we will remember you always and
> pray that you will be of good health.I hope that in
> time we will have a place to remember the our
> brothers,and a place that you will be able to share
> your wisdom to the world. May God bless you and keep
> you.
> I hope that we shall keep you as a member of Nova
> Roma
> even if you can not see that you are, just know in
> our
> hearts you will always be our Brother.
> I turn my cup up to you oh Great Octavia Fabia
> Scriba!
>
> Let us all remember him, and drink to his health and
> strength.
>
> TO Octavia Fabia Scriba!!!
> HAIL ROMA
>
> Brutis
>
> --- biojournalism wrote:
> > I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma.
> I've
> > paid taxes for
> > this year, so please use it as my
> > donation/contribution to your
> > wonderful group. Please take me off as a member. I
> > need to have this
> > message forwarded to the correct person. The
> reason
> > is I am nearly
> > blind and use a screen reader (audio). It is too
> > difficult for me to
> > surf the Web for all the clubs I belong to. At the
> > moment I can't
> > find the correct email address to send this to in
> > order to be
> > removed from the group.
> >
> > I am cutting down on various organizations as I
> > won't be able to
> > participate online and am going offline most of
> the
> > time, except for
> > email. I really love your group and what it's
> doing
> > in the field of
> > education as I'm a devout ancient history buff. My
> > favorite ancient
> > history fiction author is Steven Saylor and I
> listen
> > to his audio
> > books frequently and enjoy the authentic detailed
> > historical
> > research and great metaphors. So I want to say bye
> > bye to you all
> > from Octavia in San Francisco.
> >
> > You can browse my historical novel about ancient
> > Rome by clicking on
> > my Web site: http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com
> >
> > Bye Bye
> >
> > Octavia Fabia Scriba
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: To Octavia Fabia Scriba my humble apology
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:45:21 -0700 (PDT)

To a Honorable woman.
You shall be missed, we will remember you always and
pray that you will be of good health.I hope that in
time we will have a place to remember the our brothers
and SISTERS.

A place that you will be able to share
your wisdom to the world. May God bless you and keep
you.
I hope that we shall keep you as a member of Nova
Roma
even if you can not see that you are, just know in
our
hearts you will always be our SISTER.
I turn my cup up to you oh Great Octavia Fabia
Scriba!
Let us all remember her, and drink to her health and
strength.

TO Octavia Fabia Scriba!!!
HAIL ROMA

Brutis

> --- biojournalism wrote:
> > I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma.
> I've
> > paid taxes for
> > this year, so please use it as my
> > donation/contribution to your
> > wonderful group. Please take me off as a member. I
> > need to have this
> > message forwarded to the correct person. The
> reason
> > is I am nearly
> > blind and use a screen reader (audio). It is too
> > difficult for me to
> > surf the Web for all the clubs I belong to. At the
> > moment I can't
> > find the correct email address to send this to in
> > order to be
> > removed from the group.
> >
> > I am cutting down on various organizations as I
> > won't be able to
> > participate online and am going offline most of
> the
> > time, except for
> > email. I really love your group and what it's
> doing
> > in the field of
> > education as I'm a devout ancient history buff. My
> > favorite ancient
> > history fiction author is Steven Saylor and I
> listen
> > to his audio
> > books frequently and enjoy the authentic detailed
> > historical
> > research and great metaphors. So I want to say bye
> > bye to you all
> > from Octavia in San Francisco.
> >
> > You can browse my historical novel about ancient
> > Rome by clicking on
> > my Web site: http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com
> >
> > Bye Bye
> >
> > Octavia Fabia Scriba
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:46:10 -0700 (PDT)

HEY IT'S LATE FOR ME...
Come on I'm not the brightest bulb in the room.
But thanks for pointing that out...
Brutis
--- jan gram wrote:
> Salve Brutis: Just a note: Octavia Fabia Scriba
> is a woman and not a man, and it seems you confused
> her in calling her brother. Vale
>
> "G.Porticus Brutis" wrote:To
> a Honorable man.
> You shall be missed, we will remember you always and
> pray that you will be of good health.I hope that in
> time we will have a place to remember the our
> brothers,and a place that you will be able to share
> your wisdom to the world. May God bless you and keep
> you.
> I hope that we shall keep you as a member of Nova
> Roma
> even if you can not see that you are, just know in
> our
> hearts you will always be our Brother.
> I turn my cup up to you oh Great Octavia Fabia
> Scriba!
>
> Let us all remember him, and drink to his health and
> strength.
>
> TO Octavia Fabia Scriba!!!
> HAIL ROMA
>
> Brutis
>
> --- biojournalism wrote:
> > I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma.
> I've
> > paid taxes for
> > this year, so please use it as my
> > donation/contribution to your
> > wonderful group. Please take me off as a member. I
> > need to have this
> > message forwarded to the correct person. The
> reason
> > is I am nearly
> > blind and use a screen reader (audio). It is too
> > difficult for me to
> > surf the Web for all the clubs I belong to. At the
> > moment I can't
> > find the correct email address to send this to in
> > order to be
> > removed from the group.
> >
> > I am cutting down on various organizations as I
> > won't be able to
> > participate online and am going offline most of
> the
> > time, except for
> > email. I really love your group and what it's
> doing
> > in the field of
> > education as I'm a devout ancient history buff. My
> > favorite ancient
> > history fiction author is Steven Saylor and I
> listen
> > to his audio
> > books frequently and enjoy the authentic detailed
> > historical
> > research and great metaphors. So I want to say bye
> > bye to you all
> > from Octavia in San Francisco.
> >
> > You can browse my historical novel about ancient
> > Rome by clicking on
> > my Web site: http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com
> >
> > Bye Bye
> >
> > Octavia Fabia Scriba
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:46:57 -0700 (PDT)

YES YES Please Don't Poke the animals
This just goes to show that I am loved here in NR..
Thanks you Guys
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] I wish to be removed as a member of Nova Roma
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:59:02 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I have already privately told my soror how sad I am, two days ago.
This is what I said:

*******************

Salve Honorable Octavia Fabia Scriba, Soror!

I am very sorry to hear this sad news. I really enjoyed reading your
story in Roman Times! I _do_ hope that You will find some way to deal
with your problems. I have come to appreciate You and hope You can
stay in some way!

>After this year I will no longer be in Nova Roma. Please remove me
>from your list. The reason why is I'm losing my eyesight and will
>not be online much longer.
>
>Octavia Fabia Scriba(Anne Hart)
>
>"Writing Mystery Fiction About Ancient History."

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Moderation Notice
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:00:04 +0200

Salve Praetor,

I think that I can speak for all of the Tribunes when I say that you are
100% correct for moderating this person Decimus Marius Octavian. He is
obviously someone who has come here to start trouble and insult people. His
response was about 1000% more rude than was warranted!

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] to jwalzer5@comcast.net
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:31:54 +0200

Salve jwalzer5@comcast.net,

I am not sure if you're response below was directed to me because your post
was lacking a salutation.

If you were responding to me, then I think that you read a lot more into my
post than I meant. I wasn't making a pro-Pope, pro-Papal history, or even a
pro-Mother Church statement. I was referring specifically and only to the
Easter service where I found it very nice to see many different
nationalities getting along together....

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: John Walzer [mailto:jwalzer5@comcast.net]
Verzonden: zondag 20 april 2003 20:27

The problem with the Vatican is that it assumes it has all the answers. Can
anyone reconcile the Vatican's claim to be God's spokesman with the criminal
antics of cretinous popes, such as Alexander VI, Paul IV, John XII, or Pius
V (a former grand insquisitor)? Where was God when these representatives of
Holy Mother Church were mocking the institution they claimed to represent?
Papal history is a pretty miserable indicator of merit. People who
cavalierly quote papal history should read more books on the subject.

----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:24 AM

Salve,

(snip)

Speaking of Popes with better hats, I've just finished watching the Pope's
Easter service on Rai-Uno (Italian TV) just now. It was nice to see people
of so many different nationalities and skin colors standing next to
eachother in peace. As most people know, I am not a Christian, but I
couldn't help but feel the real spirit of good will today. If it is
possible
for a million or so people to get along today at the Vatican, then it
should
be possible for the entire world to do the same. And that would be without
force.
(another snip)
Vale,
Diana Moravia

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Moderation Notice
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:53:55 -0700 (PDT)

I must agree with Diana, but I do wish that he could
have tried to take good advice and not pushed.Oh
well..

HI Diana
I am hopeful that we maybe able to turn a person like
that in to a Roman, one day.
G.Porticus Brutis

--- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:
> Salve Praetor,
>
> I think that I can speak for all of the Tribunes
> when I say that you are
> 100% correct for moderating this person Decimus
> Marius Octavian. He is
> obviously someone who has come here to start trouble
> and insult people. His
> response was about 1000% more rude than was
> warranted!
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Moderation Notice
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:21:25 -0000

Salvete G. Portice et Diana,

Gaius, my friend! It seems we're both working nights today. I am
happy to see you active on the ML. Diana, your 8 hours ahead of us so
it must be early afternoon in Begium.

A few points. In my opinion this main list should be moderated and
stick with the business of Rome. I am all for freedom of expression
but that freedom only goes as far as that one person's freedom does
not start interfering with someone elses freedom. In all other
institutions clubs and organization the speech is limited to the
topics and interests of these institutions. For example I cannot
discuss the aspects of Cicero's great orations in a physics or
calculus class, bring up Roman cooking at a realestate seminar or
entertain problems of the middle east while discussing drilling
problems with the client on this location.

Similarily personal attacks and insults should be moderated as they
often take away the focus and logic of the discussion as well as
cheapening the quality and stifling the interests of many citizens in
NR. In fairness to NR we have other lists where one can go and vent
out his frustrations or talk on any topic with no holds barred.

I salute the moderator, Gnaeus on this ML for keeping things civil
and there will be no crying to the Tribunes on my part.

Valete bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "G.Porticus Brutis"
<celtic4usa@y...> wrote:
> I must agree with Diana, but I do wish that he could
> have tried to take good advice and not pushed.Oh
> well..
>
> HI Diana
> I am hopeful that we maybe able to turn a person like
> that in to a Roman, one day.
> G.Porticus Brutis
>
>
> --- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@p...> wrote:
> > Salve Praetor,
> >
> > I think that I can speak for all of the Tribunes
> > when I say that you are
> > 100% correct for moderating this person Decimus
> > Marius Octavian. He is
> > obviously someone who has come here to start trouble
> > and insult people. His
> > response was about 1000% more rude than was
> > warranted!
> >
> > Vale,
> > Diana Moravia Aventina
> > Tribunus Plebis
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject:	Fw: [Nova-Roma] to jwalzer5@comcast.net
From:	John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:22:49 -0400

----- Original Message -----
From: John Walzer
To: diana@pandora.be
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] to jwalzer5@comcast.net

Diana Moravia writes:

>
> If you were responding to me, then I think you read a lot more into my post than I meant
>

Salve Diana:

My deepest apologies. My response was ill-timed and born of a lifetime of reading papal propaganda. I intended no disrespect to you or to the Religio Romana. I share your view that we'd all be a lot better off if we agreed to amicably disagree.

Again, my apologies.

Vale

L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 5:31 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] to jwalzer5@comcast.net

Salve jwalzer5@comcast.net,


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	politicog <politicog@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:02:29 -0700 (PDT)

--- Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> In my opinion it would be possible to get the Roman
> Empire
> resurected. It is significant and was an important
> start that Nova
> Roma got going out of the US but think that once we
> have several
> thousand citizens and supporters it would be a good
> idea to begin
> building a new Rome out of the Eternal City of Rome.
>
>

I must say that I have a strenous disagreement with
the re-establishment of a Roman EMPIRE. Empire by
their very nature lead to breeding grounds for
enemies, and that is true whether the Empire you are
talking about is Babylonian, Athenian, Roman, British,
or American.
I believe that Nova Roma is about restoring the
glory of the Roman REPUBLIC. I think that is a far
better option.

Lucius Quintius Constantius of Lacus Magni

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: go to: i am a friend
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:38:04 -0000

Be careful. This post is offensive to an religious serious
institution, it has potential to harm religious feelings AND
contributes on nothing for NR and Concordia Publica. Since the
ancient aediles took governmental civil care of the religious
buildings on ancient Rome, I´m adressing my public disaprovation as
citizen and magistrate to this text.

L. Arminius
Senior Plebeian Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, John Walzer <jwalzer5@c...> wrote:
> The problem with the Vatican is that it assumes it has all the
answers. Can anyone reconcile the Vatican's claim to be God's
spokesman with the criminal antics of cretinous popes, such as
Alexander VI, Paul IV, John XII, or Pius V (a former grand
insquisitor)? Where was God when these representatives of Holy
Mother Church were mocking the institution they claimed to
represent? Papal history is a pretty miserable indicator of merit.
People who cavalierly quote papal history should read more books on
the subject.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diana Moravia Aventina
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] go to: i am a friend
>
>
> Salve,
>
> DMO:> I Leave it up to you to decide who was wiser, the
> > Popes or David Koresh.
>
> MOG:<< Well, the Popes certainly had better hats.
>
> Jeez Octavius, I think I woke up the neighbors laughing over
that !!
>
> Speaking of Popes with better hats, I've just finished watching
the Pope's
> Easter service on Rai-Uno (Italian TV) just now. It was nice to
see people
> of so many different nationalities and skin colors standing next
to
> eachother in peace. As most people know, I am not a Christian,
but I
> couldn't help but feel the real spirit of good will today. If it
is possible
> for a million or so people to get along today at the Vatican,
then it should
> be possible for the entire world to do the same. And that would
be without
> force.
>
> DMO: <you cannot achive anything without force and thats is why
youall will
> fail with Nova Roma.
>
> Don't mistake kindness for weakness.
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:00:48 -0000

Salve Luci,

I agree with you to a point that empires, like the Romans and others
could be breeding grounds for enemies. Over the last 40 years their
ideas have been the focus of condemnation and critizism; even Star
Wars emphasizes the 'EVIL Galatic Empire".

Still,we must not forget the positive aspects of past Empires. They
built great infrastructures for their subjects; the arts, technology,
commerce and trade flourished and advanced during their time. Without
its Empire, taxation revenues and materials from abroad Rome would
never have achieved her glory and passed on qualities that we hold so
dear to us today.

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> I must say that I have a strenous disagreement with
> the re-establishment of a Roman EMPIRE. Empire by
> their very nature lead to breeding grounds for
> enemies, and that is true whether the Empire you are
> talking about is Babylonian, Athenian, Roman, British,
> or American.
> I believe that Nova Roma is about restoring the
> glory of the Roman REPUBLIC. I think that is a far
> better option.
>
> Lucius Quintius Constantius of Lacus Magni
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:42:14 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : politicog <politicog@yahoo.com>
Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
>
> I believe that Nova Roma is about restoring the
>glory of the Roman REPUBLIC. I think that is a far
>better option.
>
But does that have to be a physical entity? It is not just power that changes but the nature of power and while we think of Rome as military national power something like later empires, I believe the world of that time had cultures more than nations in any modern sense. Roman was more a cultural ethnicity, like Jew today, than a nationality. What replaced it was not really a similar thing called Christendom, it was a narrowing more tribal sense of power. And so on. I'd reckon we are living through a period when geographic national power is yielding to economic. Far ahead, there may come times when employees gain similar democratic influence as national citizens have and if that ever happens, it would people living physically next door to each other involved with different political entities while sharing their involvement with others continents away. Instead of looking for an island to emigrate to like some of the money-making micronations, NR is quite capable of existing as a diffuse political entity similar to the corporate ones we see gradually becoming the real powers on the planet.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:36:40 -0700

Avete Omnes,

I believe you (those who have been in this discussion) are jumping way ahead of NR's long term objective which is stated in the Declaration of Nova Roma. Which to sum up is to acquire 108 continious acres of land. That is clearly not alot of land but enough to begin building some Temples and Administrative Offices and a Forum and some other building (like a university or something). But not enough to have people mass immigrate too.

Citizens please lets not lose site on the objecitve at hand which is to create our own version of Vatican City (essentially).

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome

-----Original Message-----
From : politicog <politicog@yahoo.com>
Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
>
> I believe that Nova Roma is about restoring the
>glory of the Roman REPUBLIC. I think that is a far
>better option.
>
But does that have to be a physical entity? It is not just power that changes but the nature of power and while we think of Rome as military national power something like later empires, I believe the world of that time had cultures more than nations in any modern sense. Roman was more a cultural ethnicity, like Jew today, than a nationality. What replaced it was not really a similar thing called Christendom, it was a narrowing more tribal sense of power. And so on. I'd reckon we are living through a period when geographic national power is yielding to economic. Far ahead, there may come times when employees gain similar democratic influence as national citizens have and if that ever happens, it would people living physically next door to each other involved with different political entities while sharing their involvement with others continents away. Instead of looking for an island to emigrate to like some of the money-making micronations, NR is quite capable of existing as a diffuse political entity similar to the corporate ones we see gradually becoming the real powers on the planet.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Rome Taken!
From:	"Charlie Collins" <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:22:44 -0500

Salve,
ABC Radio is reporting that Gladiators have taken over
Rome(for a day) in celebration of the Founding of the City. Send in the
Legions! :-)

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

AIM: WyrdCharlie
YahooMsgr: iguard2


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Rome Taken!
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:25:51 -0400

Salve Romans That is A BAD idea

Sending in the legions in to city would be an unconstitutional act and might
even precipitate civil war!!!!

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Collins" <cotta@spamcop.net>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rome Taken!

> Salve,
> ABC Radio is reporting that Gladiators have taken over
> Rome(for a day) in celebration of the Founding of the City. Send in the
> Legions! :-)
>
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:52:12 -0400

Salve Senator

As I have said in this forum before, there was no need to import people for
Vatican City as it completely surrounded by ROME a city of millions. The
administrative center of NR will need houses or at least apartments for
those doing the work of Nova Roma in NOVA ROMA. The 108 acres is the minimum
we should be looking for.

Our grasp should always exceeds our reach!

( BTW anybody have Bill Gates home phone number) :)

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome

> Avete Omnes,
>
> I believe you (those who have been in this discussion) are jumping way
ahead of NR's long term objective which is stated in the Declaration of Nova
Roma. Which to sum up is to acquire 108 continious acres of land. That is
clearly not alot of land but enough to begin building some Temples and
Administrative Offices and a Forum and some other building (like a
university or something). But not enough to have people mass immigrate too.
>
> Citizens please lets not lose site on the objecitve at hand which is to
create our own version of Vatican City (essentially).
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From : politicog <politicog@yahoo.com>
> Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
> >
> > I believe that Nova Roma is about restoring the
> >glory of the Roman REPUBLIC. I think that is a far
> >better option.
> >
> But does that have to be a physical entity? It is not just power that
changes but the nature of power and while we think of Rome as military
national power something like later empires, I believe the world of that
time had cultures more than nations in any modern sense. Roman was more a
cultural ethnicity, like Jew today, than a nationality. What replaced it was
not really a similar thing called Christendom, it was a narrowing more
tribal sense of power. And so on. I'd reckon we are living through a period
when geographic national power is yielding to economic. Far ahead, there may
come times when employees gain similar democratic influence as national
citizens have and if that ever happens, it would people living physically
next door to each other involved with different political entities while
sharing their involvement with others continents away. Instead of looking
for an island to emigrate to like some of the money-making micronations, NR
is quite capable of existing as a diffuse political entity similar to the
corporate ones we see gradually becoming the real powers on the planet.
>
> Caesariensis.
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:31:36 EDT

In a message dated 4/21/03 2:54:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spqr753@msn.com
writes:

> ( BTW anybody have Bill Gates home phone number) :)
>
>

Already tried. Not interested.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:33:47 -0400

How about Mrs. Gates? :)

Tiberius

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To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Restoration of Ancient Rome

> In a message dated 4/21/03 2:54:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
spqr753@msn.com
> writes:
>
>
> > ( BTW anybody have Bill Gates home phone number) :)
> >
> >
>
> Already tried. Not interested.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
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