Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@aol.com>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:02:20 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Here is a photo:
> http://www.gensmoravia.org/minerva.htm
> Anyway, I have no idea how old it is or any other history. I'm
trying to find out, but so far no luck. I know that we have at least
2 Belgians on this list: have any ideas Solaris or Cicatrix?

Salve,

>From the look of the building, it most probably dates from the 18th
century. Not that it's not very, very cool... :)

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Copycat groups page?
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@aol.com>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:20:44 -0000

Salvete,

Can anyone tell me where the "Nova Roma Imitators" page can be found
on the NR website? For some reason I am suddenly unable to locate it
on the main page menus.

I wanted to check out what we might have listed for
"ROMA" the "Sole Heirs of the Roman Empire" located at:
http://utenti.lycos.it/romaeterna/page2.html

One of their people was exchanging nasty letters with Senator Sulla
the other day. Today, one of them (dansquiers@hotmail.com - DECIMUS
MARIUS OCTAVIAN - PRIMUS PILUS,LEGIO IVLIANA) was apparently
subscribed to the main list, and just unsubscribed himself. He
recieved the automatic unsub letter and responded by emailing me
personally to say "FUCK OFF!"

Interesting stuff, considering these folks have a section on their
website supposedly devoted toward working with other Roman groups.

Are these people a bunch of teenagers or something? I'm hoping their
listing on our imitators page takes note of the fact that they've
plagerized about 80% of our Constitution, a huge amount of Nova
Roma's overall format, etc.

Sigh. Copycats can be amusing, but foul mouthed copycats are kinda
sad...

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Who Wants To Be A Legionnaire? from ARCHAEOLOGY June 2003
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:21:14 -0000

Ave,

The only real measure of a military force is its effectiveness. The
Republican Era legions were building an Empire. The Empirial Legions
were basically trying to maintain the status quo and history shows
how effective they were.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave!
>
> Yep I saw that....it looks interesting..but it leads me to a
question...which is:
>
> Which Roman Legionnaire was better trained a Republican or an
Imperial one? Many of the texts I have read either implicitly or
flat out state that Imperial Legionnaires were not as strenously
trained as their Republican predecessors.
>
> I can understand it when you deal with the influx of Germanic
peoples into the army and such...what is this an accurate assessment?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a...
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Who Wants To Be A Legionnaire? from
ARCHAEOLOGY June 2003
>
>
> Reality TV has finally come to Nova Romans (& all other groups
with Romitas)
> with the May 6th episode of Warrior Challenge on PBS. Four USAF
and four BES
> spend the weekend at the Arbeia fort where they live, eat, train,
and fight
> as Roman legionnaires of the late second century A.D. There will
be some
> experts on the period on hand to put everything in perspective.
Enjoy the
> show.
>
> F. Gal Aur Sec
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
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>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Who Wants To Be A Legionnaire? from ARCHAEOLOGY June 2003
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:21:54 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@a...> wrote:
> Avete omnes,

Last week on the Canadian history cable channel there was a very good
program about a dozen or so hobby legionaires in England that went
out on a military exercise with a history professor. She got them to
do their exercises, strike and build camps with rampart defences
every day in cold, damp conditions that froze up their sandled feet,
continually rusted their armour and weapons, gave lousy sleeps and
harsh tasting foods. The misery they went through was phenomenal and
at the end they figured that ancient Roman legionaires probabley had
a lot more adaptative qualities to harsh conditions than we would
today with all our modern clothing and conviences.I hope they show
this program in the US. Did anyone else see this program lately?

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> The only real measure of a military force is its effectiveness.
The
> Republican Era legions were building an Empire. The Empirial
Legions
> were basically trying to maintain the status quo and history shows
> how effective they were.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
> <alexious@e...> wrote:
> > Ave!
> >
> > Yep I saw that....it looks interesting..but it leads me to a
> question...which is:
> >
> > Which Roman Legionnaire was better trained a Republican or an
> Imperial one? Many of the texts I have read either implicitly or
> flat out state that Imperial Legionnaires were not as strenously
> trained as their Republican predecessors.
> >
> > I can understand it when you deal with the influx of Germanic
> peoples into the army and such...what is this an accurate
assessment?
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a...
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Who Wants To Be A Legionnaire? from
> ARCHAEOLOGY June 2003
> >
> >
> > Reality TV has finally come to Nova Romans (& all other groups
> with Romitas)
> > with the May 6th episode of Warrior Challenge on PBS. Four
USAF
> and four BES
> > spend the weekend at the Arbeia fort where they live, eat,
train,
> and fight
> > as Roman legionnaires of the late second century A.D. There
will
> be some
> > experts on the period on hand to put everything in
perspective.
> Enjoy the
> > show.
> >
> > F. Gal Aur Sec
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > ADVERTISEMENT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Copycat groups page?
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:52:08 -0500 (CDT)

> Can anyone tell me where the "Nova Roma Imitators" page can be found
> on the NR website? For some reason I am suddenly unable to locate it
> on the main page menus.

It's at:
http://www.novaroma.org/etcetera/othergroups.html

It's never been on the main menu, it's only been publicized on this
list.

> One of their people was exchanging nasty letters with Senator Sulla
> the other day. Today, one of them (dansquiers@hotmail.com - DECIMUS
> MARIUS OCTAVIAN - PRIMUS PILUS,LEGIO IVLIANA)

His behaviour is an excellent indicator that we don't want to have
relations with this group, and that heaping scorn upon them is the
appropriate response.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Censor, Consular, Citizen.
http://konoko.net/~haase/

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Copycat groups page?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:57:13 -0700

Ave Senator,

We don't even need to heap scorn upon them....all we need to do is to ignore them and they will go away.

Respectfully,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Copycat groups page?



> Can anyone tell me where the "Nova Roma Imitators" page can be found
> on the NR website? For some reason I am suddenly unable to locate it
> on the main page menus.

It's at:
http://www.novaroma.org/etcetera/othergroups.html

It's never been on the main menu, it's only been publicized on this
list.

> One of their people was exchanging nasty letters with Senator Sulla
> the other day. Today, one of them (dansquiers@hotmail.com - DECIMUS
> MARIUS OCTAVIAN - PRIMUS PILUS,LEGIO IVLIANA)

His behaviour is an excellent indicator that we don't want to have
relations with this group, and that heaping scorn upon them is the
appropriate response.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Censor, Consular, Citizen.
http://konoko.net/~haase/

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Comitia plebis tributa is convened
From:	"Daniel O. Villanueva" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:59:44 -0300

Tribunus Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Comitiis Plebis Tributis SPD

Regarding Run-off Elections in the Comitia Plebis Tributa for the 1(one) vacant

office of Tribunis Plebis for the year MMDCCLVI.

The auspices being propitious, as Tribunus Plebis I hereby officially convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa to elect the 1(one) vacant seat of Tribunus Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs).

The Contio begins today April 23th 18:01 Roman Time . Voting shall begin on April 28th 18:01 Roman Time Voting shall end on May 10th at 18:01 Roman Time (I do not put other time zones since I do not know times differences right now). The voting period is longer to make sure that at least 8 dies comitialis is included even though the law doesn't require it.

Here below is the schedule :

Aprilis

23 Dies fastus -- contio begins
24 dies comitialis
25 dies nefastus publicus
26 dies comitialis
27 dies comitialis
28 dies comitialis ---voting begins
29 dies comitialis
30 dies comitialis

Maius

1 dies fastus
2 dies fastus
3 dies comitialis
4 dies comitialis
5 dies comitialis
6 dies comitialis
7 dies fastus
8 dies fastus
9 dies nefastus
10 dies comitialis ---voting ends


The following position will be elected by the vote of the Comitia Plebis Tributa:

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS - 1 seat available, 3 candidates:


Gaius Modius Athanasius

Gaius Popillius Laenas

Gaius Geminius Germanus



The decaration of each of the candidates can be found at:

http://www.novaroma.org/election/2755



Since this is a run off election continuing those of November, no new candidates for Tribunus Plebis will be accepted in the ballot.

May the Gods guide the Comitia Plebis Tributa in their choice of our new Tribune!

Valete optime

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

Tribunus Plebis



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Comitia plebis tributa is convened
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:36:22 -0000

Salvete omnes,

Perhaps Censor Marcus can answer my question. Main elections were
held in December. Now if it takes a few run off elections to elect
say a Tribune and he she is elected at the last week of April, does
his or her term only last until the main elections in December or
does their term last the full year until the end of April the
following year? Thanks!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Comitia plebis tributa is convened
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:40:00 -0700

Ave,

Their tenure of office will end in December with the rest of their colleagues.

Respectfully,

Sulla

PS. Sorry I am not Censor M. Octavius.
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:36 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Comitia plebis tributa is convened


Salvete omnes,

Perhaps Censor Marcus can answer my question. Main elections were
held in December. Now if it takes a few run off elections to elect
say a Tribune and he she is elected at the last week of April, does
his or her term only last until the main elections in December or
does their term last the full year until the end of April the
following year? Thanks!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Comitia plebis tributa is convened
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:40:23 -0000

Salve Quinte Lani Pauline

His term will end on December 31th, 2003 the same as the rest of the
tribunes.

Bene vale

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Tribunus Plebis


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus"
<mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Perhaps Censor Marcus can answer my question. Main elections were
> held in December. Now if it takes a few run off elections to elect
> say a Tribune and he she is elected at the last week of April, does
> his or her term only last until the main elections in December or
> does their term last the full year until the end of April the
> following year? Thanks!
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Comitia plebis tributa is convened
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:52:11 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
<danielovi@c...> wrote:

Hola Luci Pompei!

Muchas gracias para su repuesta. Espero que estes muy feliz en su
trabajo con Nova Roma. Estoy trabajando en el campo pero tengo mi
computador y internet aqui. Voy a votar de aqui sin problemas.

vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



> Salve Quinte Lani Pauline
>
> His term will end on December 31th, 2003 the same as the rest of
the
> tribunes.
>
> Bene vale
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus"
> <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Perhaps Censor Marcus can answer my question. Main elections were
> > held in December. Now if it takes a few run off elections to
elect
> > say a Tribune and he she is elected at the last week of April,
does
> > his or her term only last until the main elections in December or
> > does their term last the full year until the end of April the
> > following year? Thanks!
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Comitia plebis tributa is convened
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:16:57 -0000

Salve Quinte Lani Pauline

Muchas gracias por escribirme en espańol. Tienes mucha razón. Espero
que todos los demás plebei sigan tu ejemplo y voten :-) . Con los
votos de todos los plebei un nuevo tribuno será elegido, pero es
extremadamente importante que participen todos los plebei!. Debemos
lograr que todas las tribus voten!!.

Thank you very much for writing me in spanish. You are right!. I hope
all the plebei follow your example and cast their votes too :-). With
the votes of all the plebeians a new tribune will be elected, but it
is extremely important the participation of absolutely all the
plebeians!!. We must have all the tribes voting!!.

Bene vale

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Tribunus Plebis


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus"
<mjk@d...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
> <danielovi@c...> wrote:
>
> Hola Luci Pompei!
>
> Muchas gracias para su repuesta. Espero que estes muy feliz en su
> trabajo con Nova Roma. Estoy trabajando en el campo pero tengo mi
> computador y internet aqui. Voy a votar de aqui sin problemas.
>
> vale bene,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> > Salve Quinte Lani Pauline
> >
> > His term will end on December 31th, 2003 the same as the rest of
> the
> > tribunes.
> >
> > Bene vale
> >
> > Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> > Tribunus Plebis
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus"
> > <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > > Salvete omnes,
> > >
> > > Perhaps Censor Marcus can answer my question. Main elections
were
> > > held in December. Now if it takes a few run off elections to
> elect
> > > say a Tribune and he she is elected at the last week of April,
> does
> > > his or her term only last until the main elections in December
or
> > > does their term last the full year until the end of April the
> > > following year? Thanks!
> > >
> > > Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Graeco-Roman Papyri
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:08:40 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Princeton University Library Papyrus Home Page":

http://www.princeton.edu/papyrus/

This site provides images and summaries of a number of interesting
papyri from Hellenistic and Roman Egypt; the enlargement facility on
the images is particularly nice (I know from experience that the
enlargements of some of them provide a more detailed picture than
personal inspection does -- probably because the lighting is better in
the photos than the Princeton Library manuscript reading room :-).
And, no, I don't mean to knock the Princeton library; their papyrus
collection and their preservation of it is first rate.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Copycat groups page?
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:33:15 -0000

Salvete omnes et Censor Marcus

Thank you for publishing the copy cat list.
The IMPERIUM ROMANORUM is off kilter from the moment it issues its
first motto;

"When we civilized the world for the first time we did not ask for
permission... nor will we."

1) Much of the world was civilized before Rome namely Etrusca Greece,
Egypt Persia, Babylon, Assyria, Celts etc etc etc. When Rome moved
out from Latinia, her mud huts and the 7 hills she became more
civilized thanks to the Greeks and Etruscans.

2)More often than not the Romans WERE GIVEN PERMISSION to intervene
in other countries. Helping Judea against the Greek Kings, settling
disputes between the priests and royalty there, made executor of the
will by Cleopatra's father, invited to settle disputes between tribes
of Gauls, Britains just to mention a few.

Now I don't mean to insult the intelligence of many Nova Romans here
who already well know these things. I'm just posting this in case
members of some of these other organizations are reading our lists.
It is our duty as NR's never to neglect the education of others. Such
statements as above sound more like the jargon of frustrated Saturday
night commandos.

Valete bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

> It's at:
> http://www.novaroma.org/etcetera/othergroups.html
>
> It's never been on the main menu, it's only been publicized on this
> list.
>
> > One of their people was exchanging nasty letters with Senator
Sulla
> > the other day. Today, one of them (dansquiers@h... - DECIMUS
> > MARIUS OCTAVIAN - PRIMUS PILUS,LEGIO IVLIANA)
>
> His behaviour is an excellent indicator that we don't want to have
> relations with this group, and that heaping scorn upon them is the
> appropriate response.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Censor, Consular, Citizen.
> http://konoko.net/~haase/

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] For sale: lorica segmentata
From:	"Declan Dillman" <dillpickle@qwest.net>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:28:06 -0600

Avete Omnes,

I'd like to announce that I have, for sale, a lorica segmentata
manufactured by Legion Armory. I purchased this item from them in
december last year, and since then have re-evaluated my reenactment
persona. I'd like to sell this so that I can purchase other Items for
reenactment. I bought it for $200, but will entertain any reasonable
offer. contact me if interested.

Salvete
Gaius Marius Aquilus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Payment of taxes - ONE WEEK LEFT!
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:55:34 +0100 (BST)

Salvete,

If you have not already done so, there is only one
week left for citizens to pay their taxes to the
central treasury without incurring a 50% surcharge.
Unfortunately the deadline for paying taxes locally
has now passed.

The tax rate for 2003/2004 has been set at Ł5 sterling
for British citizens and must be paid by 30th April.
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET PAID YOUR TAXES, PLEASE DO SO.
Payment details can be accessed via the Nova Roma
website.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: For sale: lorica segmentata
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:16:38 -0000

Salve Illustrus Aquilus,

have you a picture of your lorica? what is the "size"?

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Declan Dillman" <dillpickle@q...>
wrote:
> Avete Omnes,
>
> I'd like to announce that I have, for sale, a lorica
segmentata
> manufactured by Legion Armory. I purchased this item from them in
> december last year, and since then have re-evaluated my
reenactment
> persona. I'd like to sell this so that I can purchase other Items
for
> reenactment. I bought it for $200, but will entertain any
reasonable
> offer. contact me if interested.
>
> Salvete
> Gaius Marius Aquilus

Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] For sale: lorica segmentata
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:46:55 -0500

Would it fit me? I'm a 44 long. 6'4" 22o lbs


Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
From: Declan Dillman [mailto:dillpickle@qwest.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:28 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] For sale: lorica segmentata



Avete Omnes,

I'd like to announce that I have, for sale, a lorica segmentata
manufactured by Legion Armory. I purchased this item from them in
december last year, and since then have re-evaluated my reenactment
persona. I'd like to sell this so that I can purchase other Items for
reenactment. I bought it for $200, but will entertain any reasonable
offer. contact me if interested.

Salvete
Gaius Marius Aquilus

Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Who Wants To Be A Legionnaire? from ARCHAEOLOGY June 2003
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:50:22 -0500

I didn't see it, but I bet they didn't have a baggage train, slaves, or camp
followers that made the life of a legioniarre tolerable. Otherwise, a bunch
of guys roughing it in skirts has to be truly miserable.

GB Agricola



-----Original Message-----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus [mailto:mjk@datanet.ab.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:22 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Who Wants To Be A Legionnaire? from ARCHAEOLOGY
June 2003


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@a...> wrote:
> Avete omnes,

Last week on the Canadian history cable channel there was a very good
program about a dozen or so hobby legionaires in England that went
out on a military exercise with a history professor. She got them to
do their exercises, strike and build camps with rampart defences
every day in cold, damp conditions that froze up their sandled feet,
continually rusted their armour and weapons, gave lousy sleeps and
harsh tasting foods. The misery they went through was phenomenal and
at the end they figured that ancient Roman legionaires probabley had
a lot more adaptative qualities to harsh conditions than we would
today with all our modern clothing and conviences.I hope they show
this program in the US. Did anyone else see this program lately?

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> The only real measure of a military force is its effectiveness.
The
> Republican Era legions were building an Empire. The Empirial
Legions
> were basically trying to maintain the status quo and history shows
> how effective they were.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
> <alexious@e...> wrote:
> > Ave!
> >
> > Yep I saw that....it looks interesting..but it leads me to a
> question...which is:
> >
> > Which Roman Legionnaire was better trained a Republican or an
> Imperial one? Many of the texts I have read either implicitly or
> flat out state that Imperial Legionnaires were not as strenously
> trained as their Republican predecessors.
> >
> > I can understand it when you deal with the influx of Germanic
> peoples into the army and such...what is this an accurate
assessment?
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a...
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Who Wants To Be A Legionnaire? from
> ARCHAEOLOGY June 2003
> >
> >
> > Reality TV has finally come to Nova Romans (& all other groups
> with Romitas)
> > with the May 6th episode of Warrior Challenge on PBS. Four
USAF
> and four BES
> > spend the weekend at the Arbeia fort where they live, eat,
train,
> and fight
> > as Roman legionnaires of the late second century A.D. There
will
> be some
> > experts on the period on hand to put everything in
perspective.
> Enjoy the
> > show.
> >
> > F. Gal Aur Sec
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Republican vs. Imperial Legionnaires
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:10:14 -0400

Historically, the troops that were serving the Roman Republic prior to the Marian reforms were citizen soldiers recruited from the Roman civilian population and its allies. There were only a certain number of mercenaries (Baleric slingers, Cretan archers, Gallic cavalry & infantry, Celti-Iberians, Numidian cavalry, etc.) who served for pay, loot, or alliance. The quality of the Republican citizen soldier varied just as the quality of the leadership varied (see Polybius and Livy, for details).
The soldiers after the Marian reforms were still primarily citizens from Italia, Hispania, Africa, Cyrenica, and Greece who were recruited from the lower classes that had formerly supplied velites and slingers to the Severan style legions. However, these soldiers did not have to worry about their farms or businesses at home because they were 'professional' soldiers. The expansion and consolidation of Spain, Gaul, Germania, Belgica, Asia (Minor), Syria, Judea, and Egypt were accomplished by these soldiers under Caesar, Pompey, Licinius, Lucullus, Crassus (o.k., forget Crassus), Antony, and Augustus. It is safe to assume that they were the equal or rather the superior of the Severan legions.
The legions did not exactly cover themselves with glory in Germany around 762 AUC but they held things together. The Imperial Legions did successfully add Britannia, Dacia, Upper Egypt, and Persia into the Empire.
I believe the decline of the legions was a result of the leadership struggles in the period of 930-1030 AUC rather than the quality of the soldiers themselves.

F Gal Aur Sec

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Macellum (WAS:For sale: lorica segmentata)
From:	"L. Didius Geminus Sceptius" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:12:23 +0200

Quite interesting offer, Aquilus. This makes me ask you all about the Macellum.

I asked Honorable M. Cassius Julianus for one hundred coins and a Flag for a very special meeting in Hispania, Tarraco Viva 2003, but he seems to be quite busy. So I ask all the quirites related to the Macellum if it would be possible to get 100 Nova Roman coins and 1 Flag for displaying them in Tarraco, and the total cost including the sending from USA to Spain. We need to know that before ordering it as soon as possible, because we have less than a month for exhibiting this Nova Roman signals, so time is important. :-)

Thanks in advance!! :-)

vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] CEREALIA LITERARY CONTEST WINNER!
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:28:00 -0300 (ART)

L. Arminius Faustus Aedile quiritibus plus salutat





THERE IS NO BAD WORK HERE!


Mother Ceres is most pleased!
All the excellent texts can be found at: http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/ludicerealia/contest/texts.html





Grade (0-100)


1 – The Wind among the stones 85,8
Gaia Flavia Aureliana - WINNER



2 – Hymn to Ceres 81,0
Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator

3 – Rhine River Patrol – Chapter I 76,8
Marcus Minucius Audens

4 – Rhine River Patrol – Chapter III 75,6
Marcus Minucius Audens

5 – Rhine River Patrol – Chapter II 75,2
Marcus Minucius Audens

6 – Rhine River Patrol – Chapter IV 73,4
Marcus Minucius Audens

7 – Dedicating yourself to the gods of Rome 67,4
Diana Moravia Aventina

8 – Roman Trade 64,4
Marcus Minucius Audens

9 – Roman Spain 63,2
Marcus Minucius Audens









The Plebeian Aedilship wants also to give some honor rewards to some citizens:



CORONA SENTENTIOSA for Marcus Minucius Audens by providing so many works for the contest.

CORONA HIMNICA for Pipebarcus Ullerius Venator, for the excellent pray wrote for the contest.

CORONA RETIARIA for Titus Arminius Genialis for the excellent work as web designer of the Cerealia site.








NOW THE WINNER! OH, GLORY, CROWNED HERSELF BY THE MUSES!







Gaia Flavia Aureliana

THE WIND AMONG THE STONES



The wind always blows here among the stones even in summer. On really hot days, it can be a gentle murmur, a welcome dissipation of the heat reflected from the white limestone Wall that still stands guard across the fells of Northern England. Along the central sector, Hadrian’s Wall and ditches can be seen in their best state of preservation. They run for miles along the ridges of the hills and dominate the undulating skyline. To the north, the empty moors stretch out into the far distance, where the hills of southern Scotland can dimly be discerned.



Walking here alone, away from the tourist centres with their groups of enthusiastic visitors, free from the noise and pressure of modern life, you are grateful for the beauty and the solitude. Only the call of the wheeling peewit and the far off bleating of grazing sheep disturb the silence. It is a place of tranquillity, a place to heal the soul.



But other eyes have not seen it so; other hearts have not found this peace. Not far away, in the remains of a ruined turret, the lonely sentry post between two milecastles, a single word has been scratched in the stone – SATIS. What intensity of emotion has been poured into that one word! What stranger from a warmer climate has seen the beauty marred by tedium, loneliness and the implacable elements?



He has watched the summer days shorten as autumn approaches. He has felt the chill in the morning air that threatens worse to come. He has watched the trees put on their opulent displays of red and gold, their final act of defiance, before relinquishing their leafy vestments to stand stark and skeletal, as if surrendering every spark of life.



The wind strengthens from the west, driving the clouds before it, bringing the autumn rains. The rain turns the moors to bogs, the roads to mud. Dampness pervades everything; the sun struggles to break through the persistent blanket of cloud. No welcome rest after a summer of campaigning can be anticipated here. No glory has been gained in combat; no tales of bravery will be exchanged among comrades over an amphora of wine. The garrison has not been sent here to fight, but to patrol. Its task is to regulate passage across the Wall, ceaselessly to guard its gates. At the edge of Empire, boredom sets in and thoughts turn more frequently to families and friends at home.



The wind and rain get colder as winter encroaches. The wind searches into every nook and cranny, giving no respite. It chills to the bone. When it drops a little, the clouds themselves descend, covering everywhere with droplets of moisture, reducing visibility to a few paces. Who can now tell what lies beyond the ditch? What enemies gather, what monsters roam in the darkness on the other side of the Wall?



The sun, when it appears, has little strength, and becomes the precursor of the frosts at night. The winter nights are long this far north. If the wind changes direction, it brings in snow from the east. Then no wool or leather will keep out the cold. It numbs the hands and feet and endows metal with the qualities of ice. Even the warmth of the bathhouse cannot stave off such cold for long. How bitter sweet the memories of home become. The warmth of Dalmatia, Africa and Asia seems like a dream, recollections from another life, from a time when there was joy and hope.



Yet at long last, the wind changes again. After deepest winter, the wind now comes from the southwest. It chases patchy clouds across the sky, creating moving mosaics of light and shadow across the moors below. It brings with it vague scents of warmer lands, the stirrings of new life. The days lengthen; the trees come into leaf again; the flowers open. The handiwork of the Goddess is seen everywhere. Perhaps she has not returned as quickly or with such exuberance as is her custom further south. But she has come again, promising her bounty to everyone in the months to come. The wind is softer now, whispering suggestions of new a posting, a reunion with loved ones, a farewell to the Wall.


The wind always blows here among the stones no matter what the season, a constant reminder of what it means to be away from home. Thanks a lot by the wonderful game!

























Vale bene in pacem deorum


L. Arminius Faustus

Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



"I too in words could fight even Immortals..."

Iliad, Homer, book XX

The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.



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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] For sale: lorica segmentata
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:31:46 +0200

< Would it fit me? I'm a 44 long. 6'4" 22o lbs
Ok Agricola! Enough teasing... Now I really want you to send your photo and
have it placed in the Albium Gentium ;-)

Vale,
Diana





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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Who Wants To Be A Legionnaire? from ARCHAEOLOGY June 2003
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:01:45 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date : 23 April 2003 03:21:54
>
>harsh tasting foods. The misery they went through was phenomenal and
>at the end they figured that ancient Roman legionaires probabley had
>a lot more adaptative qualities to harsh conditions than we would
>today with all our modern clothing and conviences.I hope they show
>this program in the US. Did anyone else see this program lately?
>
Things like this really make me worry about the collective intelligence. Shouldn't it be absolutely obvious that legionnaires were for the most part low class men who did not live in centrally heated villas, that the climate then was cooler and damper than today and their life a whole lot harder and themselves tougher than today? This should hardly come as a revelation! It should have been there beforehand and the people concerned perhaps toughened up, or more peasant types chosen. It is like some years ago there was a Neolithic settlement of this sort but it presumed all sorts of things like democratic decision that we have no idea whether existed then or not. Maybe they all argued it out like one happy family, maybe they did what the biggest laziest brute told them or got flattened. Probability is something in between.
Caesariensis


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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] For sale: lorica segmentata
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:31:13 -0500

Aventina, I'm all that and a bag of chips


-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina [mailto:diana@pandora.be]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:32 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] For sale: lorica segmentata


< Would it fit me? I'm a 44 long. 6'4" 22o lbs
Ok Agricola! Enough teasing... Now I really want you to send your photo
and
have it placed in the Albium Gentium ;-)

Vale,
Diana





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