Subject:	[Nova-Roma] I'm back
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:49:41 -0400

Avete, omnes -

Well, I've returned from my cruise and am reading the ML again. A quick
scan of the ML for the period shows that some people had wished me a
good voyage before I left (but after I went "nomail"...) - my apologies
for not responding then, and my thanks to you all. Hopefully, no one has
been assassinated under Pompey's statue and no battles have been lost at
Arausio while I was away... I'm sure that someone will notify me if I'm
wrong.

As in the past, I still plan on learning from the wise, laughing at the
foolish, enjoying it all, and generally participating in life at the
fair - both the quiet times and the fireworks displays. In the near
future, I'll be sailing north (I hope to cruise Nova Scotia and possibly
Newfoundland this summer) but should be able to remain in touch,
although rather intermittently - cruising can be, and often is, a
full-time endeavor all by itself. Either way, I'll be around.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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De gustibus non est disputandum.
That is a matter of taste.
-- N/A

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Photos
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 06:38:59 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Ancient Rome: Images and Pictures":

http://clawww.lmu.edu/faculty/fjust/Rome.htm

The website was created by Prof. Felix Just, S.J. (Loyola Marymount
University). It includes quite a few photos from Rome (including a
section on statues and temples of Asclepius), as well as Ostia,
Pompeii (particularly the House of the Surgeon), and Herculaneum, and
scans of maps and diagrams from Platner's _The Topography and
Monuments of Ancient Rome_.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Photos
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:20:49 -0400

Salve it is a great site and the Eagle has permission to use pictures from
it for the newsletter. Great site, great people.

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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> G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to "Ancient Rome: Images and Pictures":
>
> http://clawww.lmu.edu/faculty/fjust/Rome.htm
>
> The website was created by Prof. Felix Just, S.J. (Loyola Marymount
> University). It includes quite a few photos from Rome (including a
> section on statues and temples of Asclepius), as well as Ostia,
> Pompeii (particularly the House of the Surgeon), and Herculaneum, and
> scans of maps and diagrams from Platner's _The Topography and
> Monuments of Ancient Rome_.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] More on papyri... meeting hi-tech researchers
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:38:01 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D

Avete, Quirites, et praesertim Tiberi Galeri Pauline.

I had not realized that the last link I posed was so well known to NR.
I've been trying to check around the site and not duplicate much.
Here's a link to a magazine that would make most people snort their
morning coffee through their noses if they heard it actually has an
article describing important scientific work aimed a restoring the
papyri at Herculaneum which were "preserved" by being engulfed in
volcanic mud:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.05/vesuvius.html

The magazine is _Wired_ and the article in issue 11.05 (May 2003), by
Oliver Morton, is entitled "Tales From the Crypt." It does include
the earthy prose so common to _Wired_ (which leads one to wonder
whether the typographer really meant _Weird_) like:

'The dark room next door, on the other hand, is a room for storing. It
is ringed by steel cases with wide, shallow drawers that hold trays
containing thousands of blackened tatters. In a display near the
shuttered windows are some fused cylinders of cinders; they look like
turds that have been burned and then fossilized, or possibly vice
versa. And that is, indeed, pretty much what happened to them. But
they are not turds. They are papyruses, scrolls like those on which
all the great thoughts of antiquity were once recorded. The words on
them were written down 2,000 years ago; when they were discovered
1,800 years later, they were the first handwritten documents from the
ancient world that modern eyes had ever seen."

Having described the papyrus scrolls as "turds" it's rather refreshing
that Mr. Morton delivers a thoughtful, intriguing, even perhaps
charming account of high-tech researchers recovering text from these
damaged scrolls, hoping to reassemble the largest extant papyrus
library on Hellenistic philosophy, including hitherto unknown works of
Philodemus. It's very much worth a read, particularly for Epicureans
and papyrologists.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Yes, Still Around
From:	"aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:10:39 -0000

All--Just wanted to check in and say hello. I've been very quiet for
the last month, if not longer. I've been sick and messing with quite
a few doctor appts. and am (I hope) due for eye surgery soon.

I'm going to be picking up my pace with regard to scriba duties. If
I'm approved for surgery, I'll let people know when I'll be out of
commission. The duration will depend on whether the surgery goes
well or not.

I apologize for the recent bout of inactivity.

Renata Corva

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: L-Segmentata size & pictures
From:	"Declan Dillman" <dillpickle@qwest.net>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:16:37 -0600

Avete!

For pictures of this Item, go to: http://legvi.com/loricas/id7.html
they have better pictures than I do, and they have a good description.
It seems to be sized similarly to the deepeeka
lorica segmentatas, approx. a 44" chest, and a 34"-38" waist. It doesn't
fit me perfectly, but again, it's not custom made.
if you have other questions, Please contact me at :
marius_aquilus@yahoo.com.

>Would it fit me? I'm a 44 long. 6'4" 22o lbs
>

Agricola, Not having seen you, it sounds like it would fit you
better than it fits me.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: L-Segmentata size & pictures
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:48:32 -0000

Salve,

> For pictures of this Item, go to:
http://legvi.com/loricas/id7.html
> they have better pictures than I do, and they have a good
description.

Sorry the URL is uncorrect.

> It seems to be sized similarly to the deepeeka
> lorica segmentatas, approx. a 44" chest, and a 34"-38" waist. It
doesn't
> fit me perfectly, but again, it's not custom made.
> if you have other questions,

Please, what is the european size? (cm, kg, ecc.)

Thank you again.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Yes, Still Around
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:54:47 -0000

Ah back just in time for yet another round of "So Who Want's To Be a
Tribune?" <GRIN>

Q. Cassius Calvus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@y...> wrote:
> All--Just wanted to check in and say hello. I've been very quiet
for
> the last month, if not longer. I've been sick and messing with
quite
> a few doctor appts. and am (I hope) due for eye surgery soon.
>
> I'm going to be picking up my pace with regard to scriba duties.
If
> I'm approved for surgery, I'll let people know when I'll be out of
> commission. The duration will depend on whether the surgery goes
> well or not.
>
> I apologize for the recent bout of inactivity.
>
> Renata Corva

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:52:49 +0100 (BST)

Salvete!

Some research on the net brought up little information
on the small Minerva-temple in Alden Biesen, but it's
definitely an 18th century building:

"Behind the fortress there is a so called 'English
Garden', built by the garden architect Ghislain Henry,
at the order of the Commander. They started in 1786
and finished in 1787. More than 30000 trees were
planted, and as showpiece they built a round temple
with the Roman goddess Minerva." (translated from
http://www.clerx.nl/landcomm.htm)

But of course it's still a nice temple to Minerva!

For more information on Alden-Biesen (English):
http://www.alden-biesen.be/E_index.html


> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:56:16 +0200
> From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
> Subject: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
>
> Salvete,
>
> This email is cross posted to the Religio and the
> ML. sorry!
>
> As some of you may know, I live in the Gallo-Roman
> section of Belgium. In
> every town, small or large, one finds Roman remains
> and statues of Roman
> Gods and Goddesses.
>
> Anyway, yesterday I went for a bike ride in my
> neighborhood to a place
> called Alden-Biesen, which in ancient times was a
> fortress for the Teutonic
> Knights. The castle was built a bit before 1200 CE
> and is total restored.
> The castle complex must be a square kilometer,
> surrounded by kilometers of
> parks and gardens. The place is just beautiful.
> Anyway, as I stood by the
> moat I looked up and saw the sun shining down on top
> of a beautifully kept
> hill topped by some very ancient looking trees. In
> the middle was something
> which looked amazingly like a Roman temple with a
> statue inside. I assumed
> it was a statue of Saint Maria and thought I would
> go up to take a look.
> Anyway, I walked the 500 meters up the hill and was
> shocked to find that the
> statue was of Minerva and that it was a Temple of
> Minerva.
>
> The entire temple has been restored and so has the
> statue. You can see where
> the glue/cement holds everything together, but it is
> really impressive and
> quite beautiful. It's too bad that I didn't know
> about this last year
> during the NR Rally in Tongeren. It is only about 20
> minutes from there.
> Here is a photo:
> http://www.gensmoravia.org/minerva.htm
> Anyway, I have no idea how old it is or any other
> history. I'm trying to
> find out, but so far no luck. I know that we have at
> least 2 Belgians on
> this list: have any ideas Solaris or Cicatrix?
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina


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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:14:43 +0200

Salve Cicatrix,

Thanks for the info! Just a question. I found the same site a few days ago
and my translation is a bit different than yours.

'Als pronkstuk staat er een stenen rondtempel met de Romeinse godin Minerva'

Your translation : they built a round temple with the Roman goddess
Minerva."

Me: Honestly, I don't see the word 'built' in the Dutch sentence. My
translation would be 'As centerpiece there stands a round stone temple with
the Goddess Minerva'. But maybe it's my use of Dutch :-p So I am still
being stubborn and hanging onto the idea that the Temple was already there
when the gardens were built. I mean why would Teutonic Priest-Knights build
a Temple to a roman Goddess? Everything else in the domain looks very much
Christian.

And to Marcus Minucius Audens,

<The structure is quite nice, and the detail is really exquisite from a
<builder's standpoint. May I <assume that the red building in the
background is the fortress of which you spoke?

Yes, that looks like a partial side view. It's really is quite impressive.
>From what I understand, buildings have been added onto the main structure
since the year 1200 or so. On the Alden Biesen website that Cicatrix gave,
there is a great overhead view on the main page.
http://www.alden-biesen.be/E_index.html The virtual visit is also nice and
gives a better idea of just how beautiful and truly immense this place is.

Valete,
Diana Moravia