| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Forma Urbis Romae |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:37:28 -0000 |
|
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
Avete, Quirites.
Here's a link to the "Stanford Digital Forma Urbis Romae Project":
http://formaurbis.stanford.edu/
This site describes application of digitizing the shape of
three-dimensional objects using laser scanners to the 1,163 fragments
of the third-century C.E. Forma Urbis Romae, a map of the city of Rome
carved into marble slabs. The site is extensive and includes a sample
database of twenty-eight of the fragments.
Valete, Quirites.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suicide by Assassination? |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:19:21 -0400 |
|
Salve
As a teacher of history I know that new evidence can change how we view
even the best known events like Caesar's assassination. buthaving said that I can not wait for the next pseudo- history television show
I can see it now.
Tune in tonight on HISTORY TV .. where fact and fiction meet
Tonight's Stories
The Lindbergh Kidnapping :
Proof positive the Lindbergh baby organized his own kidnapping!!!!!!
Hitler alive, well ( at 114) and living in Hoboken, NJ.!!!!!!!
Hillary Clinton .... IS Anastasia !!!!!
Columbus was wrong the earth is FLAT!!!!!!
Just some food for thought
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:10 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suicide by Assassination?
> Salve Renata,
>
> I'll try and catch that program again. Unfortunately there was not
> much notice given about it.
>
> Without trying to shoot myself in the foot by not seeing this
> program, I find there are many articles on lately that are trying to
> shed more light and interest in historical occurrances with
> conspiracy type theories. The last one I saw on Rome was last fall
> about the fire of Rome. One German professor was trying to illustrate
> that Christians may well have had a part in starting the fire. That,
> a suicidal Caesar etc. are in my opinion shear speculation. Without
> actually building a time machine, sending back forensic experts,
> Latin speaking classic scholars, psychologists and fire investigators
> to ancient Rome such ideas will always be in thr realm of speculation
> only. On the other hand these programs do often rekindle interest and
> debate, even among the lay people which is good for us.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@y...> wrote:
> > Did anyone else see the fascinating show on the Discovery Channel
> > last night, called 'Who Killed Julius Caesar?'
> >
> > I really enjoyed it, and the investigator's theory shows Caesar's
> > assassination from an entirely new and intriguing angle.
> >
> > My husband thinks Caesar would naver have allowed himself to be
> > killed, because he was planning a sizable campaign to Parthia at
> the
> > time of his murder. I think it's hard to know for sure, because of
> > some of the sources quoted. Suetonius, I think, doesn't have the
> > most sterling of reputations when it comes to historical accuracy.
> >
> > Still, I enjoyed this program quite a lot.
> >
> > Renata Corva
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suicide by Assassination? |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:48:26 -0400 |
|
Salve,
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:19:21PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Salve
>
> As a teacher of history I know that new evidence can change how we view
> even the best known events like Caesar's assassination. buthaving said
> that I can not wait for the next pseudo- history television show
>
> I can see it now.
>
> Tune in tonight on HISTORY TV .. where fact and fiction meet
>
> Tonight's Stories
>
> The Lindbergh Kidnapping :
>
> Proof positive the Lindbergh baby organized his own kidnapping!!!!!!
>
> Hitler alive, well ( at 114) and living in Hoboken, NJ.!!!!!!!
Don't laugh! It would explain *a lot* of things about Hoboken. :)
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Claris maiorum exemplis.
After the forefathers' brilliant example.
-- Part of the inscription on the House of Nobility, Riddarhuset, in Stockholm.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] a question about numismatics |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:31:10 +0100 (BST) |
|
Salvete!
I have a very specific question. For a small
assignment at university, we have to write 5 pages on
the coins produced by an emperor. I have chosen
Elagabalus. We have to cover various aspects, among
which:
- are there any stamp studies available and what is
their importance?
- what kinds of metal were used and how pure are the
coins?
- are there any statistic studies done on these coins?
The answers should of course only deal with the coins
from Elagabalus.
The answers to these question should be in the book
"Money and Government in the Roman Empire" by R.
Duncan-Jones (Cambridge, 1994).
Unfortunately, this book seems to have disappeared
from our department library. Does anyone have acces to
this book? And would that person be so kind to give me
this much needed information?
The assignment has to be finished tomorrow, because I
have to hand it in on Thursday.
Thanks in advance
=====
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:20:15 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes,
I got permission to post this excellent article from Mary in the
Imperial Rome discussion group. It really is informative, well
thought out and written!
Regards
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
From: "Mary Harrsch" <mharrsch@u...>
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:16 pm
Subject: Who Killed Julius Caesar
Well, I got back from Portland (OR) in time to watch the "Who Killed
Julius Caesar?" program on the Discovery Channel last night. I found
it interesting that the investigator used reenactments to determine
how many actual conspirators stabbed Caesar. From the reenactments
he determined that no more than 5 to 10 people could have had close
enough access to Caesar during the killing frenzy. In fact he
estimates the number closer to 5 since 10 people stabbing wildly with
daggers would have probably inflicted more wounds. He expressed his
opinion that the rest of the conspirators were probably engaged in
keeping the other senators back--in other words, crowd control.
Although Cassius' motives were clearly explained, the investigator
went on to study Caesar's own behavior and eventually concluded that
the conspirators simply played into Caesar's own hands as his
instruments to end his life in such a way as to ensure his designated
successor and "immortalize" Caesar for all posterity. His "contrived
suicide" theory was based on several incidents and observations. The
most convincing evidence, from his perspective, was a public
indescretion in which Caesar refused to rise for a group of senators
that approached him with a proclamation deifying him. He referred to
a passage by Suetonius but also mentioned a passage in Plutarch in
which Caesar was described as having a "fit" then, tearing his toga
open, demanding that the Senators kill him now and that he would not
resist. He also pointed out that Dio said Caesar's supporters had
claimed he had loose bowels and was afraid of disgracing himself if
he tried to stand. He said this indicated how ill Caesar really was.
This all appears to be a little convoluted. I found the passage in
Suetonius about the refusal to rise for an honor (not described as
deification): "But it was the following action in particular that
roused deadly hatred against him. When the Senate approached him in a
body with many highly honorary decrees, he received them before the
temple of Venus Genetrix without rising. Some think that when he
attempted to get up, he was held back by Cornelius Balbus; others,
that he made no such move at all, but on the contrary frowned angrily
on Gaius Trebatius when he suggested that he should rise." -
Suetonius, De Vita Caesarum, Divus Iulius, Book LXXVII
I also found a passage in Plutarch about Caesar telling a group of
Senators to go ahead and kill him but it was following the Lupercalia
incident with Antony and the diadem: "...twining a garland of bay
round a diadem, he ran up to the Rostra, and, being lifted up by his
companions, would have put it upon the head of Caesar, as if by that
ceremony he were declared king. Caesar seemingly refused, and drew
aside to avoid it, and was applauded by the people with great shouts.
Again Antony pressed it, and again he declined its acceptance. And so
the dispute between them went on for some time, Antony`s
solicitations receiving but little encouragement from the shouts of a
few friends, and Caesar`s refusal being accompanied with the general
applause of the people; a curious thing enough, that they should
submit with patience to the fact, and yet at the same time dread the
name as the destruction of their liberty. Caesar, very much
discomposed at what had past, got up from his seat, and, laying bare
his neck, said, he was ready to receive the stroke, if any one of
them desired to give it."
The I found the diarrhea passage in Dio: "when once they had voted to
him on a single day an unusually large number of these honours of
especial importance,— which had been granted unanimously by all
except Cassius and a few others, who became famous for this action,
yet suffered no harm, whereby Caesar's clemency was conspicuously
revealed,— they then approached him as he was sitting in the
vestibule of the temple of Venus in order to announce to him in a
body their decisions; for they transacted such business in his
absence, in order to have the appearance of doing it, not under
compulsion, but voluntarily. And either by some heaven-sent fatuity
or even through excess of joy he received them sitting, which aroused
so great indignation among them all, not only the senators but all
the rest, that it afforded his slayers one of their chief excuses for
their plot against him. Some who subsequently tried to defend him
claimed, it is true, that owing to an attack of diarrhoea he could
not control the movement of his bowels and so had remained where he
was in order to avoid a flux. They were not able, however, to
convince the majority, since not long afterwards he rose up and went
home on foot; hence most men suspected him of being inflated with
pride and hated him for his haughtiness, when it was they themselves
who had made him disdainful by the exaggerated character of their
honours."
The investigator also said Caesar appeared to provoke the
conspirators by other actions such as wearing purple--the historical
dress of kings.
However, Cassius Dio says: "First, then, they voted that he should
always ride, even in the city itself, wearing the triumphal dress,
and should sit in his chair of state everywhere except at the
games;" Dio goes on, "As he seemed to like all this, a gilded chair
was granted him, and a garb that the kings had once used." Dio
continues, "When he showed himself pleased with these honours also,
they accordingly voted that his golden chair and his crown set with
precious gems and overlaid with gold should be carried into the
theatres in the same manner as those of the gods, and that on the
occasion of the games in the Circus his chariot should be brought in.
And finally they addressed him outright as Jupiter Julius and ordered
a temple to be consecrated to him and to his Clemency, electing
Antony as their priest like some flamen Dialis."
So, Caesar's wearing apparel seemed to be dictated by the Senate, not
necessarily by Caesar's own whim.
The investigator also consulted a forensic psychologist who suggested
that Caesar's behavior indicated he may have suffered from temporal
epilepsy. He said Caesar's voracious sexual appetite, voluminous
writings, and increasing airs of superiority would be consistent with
a person suffering from this condition. He explained that temporal
epilepsy only grows worse over time and Caesar may have feared he
would eventually lose physical control and his precious dignitas if
his condition continued to worsen.
The investigator also pointed out that Caesar's autopsy revealed that
he clutched the very note warning him of the assassination. The
investigator could not believe that he did not read it despite what
the ancient sources said.
The thing that confuses me, though, is if Caesar intended to be
killed, why did he hesitate after learning of all the bad omens and
thinking about his and Calpurnia's warning dreams? Even Dio says he
had to be persuaded to go to the senate house by Decimus Brutus:
"He was warned of the plot in advance by soothsayers, and was warned
also by dreams. For the night before he was slain his wife dreamed
that their house had fallen in ruins and that her husband had been
wounded by some men and had taken refuge in her bosom; and Caesar
dreamed he was raised aloft upon the clouds and grasped the hand of
Jupiter. Moreover, omens not a few and not without significance came
to him: the arms of Mars, at that time deposited in his house,
according to ancient custom, by virtue of his position as high
priest, made a great noise at night, and the doors of the chamber
where he slept opened of their own accord. Moreover, the sacrifices
which he offered because of these occurrences were not at all
favourable, and the birds he used in divination forbade him to leave
the house. Indeed, to some the incident of his golden chair seemed
ominous, at least after his murder; for the attendant, when Caesar
delayed his coming, had carried it out of the senate, thinking that
there now would be no need of it. "
"Caesar, accordingly, was so long in coming that the conspirators
feared there might be a postponement--indeed, a rumour got abroad
that he would remain at home that day--and that their plot would thus
fall through and they themselves would be detected. Therefore they
sent Decimus Brutus, as one supposed to be his devoted friend, to
secure his attendance."
Maybe embracing this relatively modern suicide theory made the
program more sensational to increase the viewership.
- Libitina
Mary Harrsch
Network & Information Systems Manager
College of Education
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
(541) 346-3554
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mharrsch
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:35:41 -0700 |
|
Avete Omnes,
Responded to this post on the same list. Here are my comments about the special.
Ave
I saw the special too. I did not like it. I felt they played on the barest of threads to get their point across about the "suicide by assassination theory."
Its interesting that they played up Caesar's illnesses, he was 56 years old.
I do not know which illness he truly had (Eplipsy, the falling sickness, dysentry, or hypoglacima or something else.) but living to be 56 years old and being as active as he was probably did take a toll out of him. However, here was a man who led his soldiers for a 10 year war of conquest, another 5 years of civil war, constant travelling and now had to essentially try to restore the Republic. Which task is more daunting? Probably trying to restore the Republic while catering to the various factions of Rome!
There are two other things I really want to note. First, was that Caesar was not ill enough to plan another organized military endeavor to conquer Parthia and to restore the eagles taken from Crassus's defeat at the battle of Caharre (sp.) If I recall my Seutonius (or was it Plutarch) he was expected to leave for the expedition two days after the Ides. He had already voted in future magistrates to govern Rome while he was gone, and he was expected to be gone for a number of years. If the man was that ill, I do not think he would have gone through the trouble of mounting what was bound to be the most difficult campaign he would ever encounter.
Now, my second point, I do not buy the health factor for another reason. Lets explore the one other person who we could compare to Caesar...that person would be my namesake, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. When Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix came back and became dictator of Rome, he was in ill health too. According to Plutarch, iirc, he looked a fright. He probably was riddled with diabetes and being an albino his past exposure to the sun reaked terrible havoc for him. Yet, he stayed on and did his duty to rebuild and stablize Rome from the Civil Wars. He did his duty and left, despite the pain and afflication he was under. With that in mind, does anyone even remotely feel that Gaius Iulius Caesar would have put his pain and suffering ahead of Rome? That is in essence what this broadcast is saying..that when Rome needed a strong guiding hand to help rebuild her...he was not there. That does not sound like the Political Genius of Gaius Iulius Caesar. Gaius Iulius Caesar, IMHO, would have done exactly what Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix did, rebuild Rome, set Rome on a proper standing and even if he would not leave quietly, as Sulla did, he would not have left by allowing himself to escape by killing himself via assassination.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
Salvete omnes,
I got permission to post this excellent article from Mary in the
Imperial Rome discussion group. It really is informative, well
thought out and written!
Regards
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
From: "Mary Harrsch" <mharrsch@u...>
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:16 pm
Subject: Who Killed Julius Caesar
Well, I got back from Portland (OR) in time to watch the "Who Killed
Julius Caesar?" program on the Discovery Channel last night. I found
it interesting that the investigator used reenactments to determine
how many actual conspirators stabbed Caesar. From the reenactments
he determined that no more than 5 to 10 people could have had close
enough access to Caesar during the killing frenzy. In fact he
estimates the number closer to 5 since 10 people stabbing wildly with
daggers would have probably inflicted more wounds. He expressed his
opinion that the rest of the conspirators were probably engaged in
keeping the other senators back--in other words, crowd control.
Although Cassius' motives were clearly explained, the investigator
went on to study Caesar's own behavior and eventually concluded that
the conspirators simply played into Caesar's own hands as his
instruments to end his life in such a way as to ensure his designated
successor and "immortalize" Caesar for all posterity. His "contrived
suicide" theory was based on several incidents and observations. The
most convincing evidence, from his perspective, was a public
indescretion in which Caesar refused to rise for a group of senators
that approached him with a proclamation deifying him. He referred to
a passage by Suetonius but also mentioned a passage in Plutarch in
which Caesar was described as having a "fit" then, tearing his toga
open, demanding that the Senators kill him now and that he would not
resist. He also pointed out that Dio said Caesar's supporters had
claimed he had loose bowels and was afraid of disgracing himself if
he tried to stand. He said this indicated how ill Caesar really was.
This all appears to be a little convoluted. I found the passage in
Suetonius about the refusal to rise for an honor (not described as
deification): "But it was the following action in particular that
roused deadly hatred against him. When the Senate approached him in a
body with many highly honorary decrees, he received them before the
temple of Venus Genetrix without rising. Some think that when he
attempted to get up, he was held back by Cornelius Balbus; others,
that he made no such move at all, but on the contrary frowned angrily
on Gaius Trebatius when he suggested that he should rise." -
Suetonius, De Vita Caesarum, Divus Iulius, Book LXXVII
I also found a passage in Plutarch about Caesar telling a group of
Senators to go ahead and kill him but it was following the Lupercalia
incident with Antony and the diadem: "...twining a garland of bay
round a diadem, he ran up to the Rostra, and, being lifted up by his
companions, would have put it upon the head of Caesar, as if by that
ceremony he were declared king. Caesar seemingly refused, and drew
aside to avoid it, and was applauded by the people with great shouts.
Again Antony pressed it, and again he declined its acceptance. And so
the dispute between them went on for some time, Antony`s
solicitations receiving but little encouragement from the shouts of a
few friends, and Caesar`s refusal being accompanied with the general
applause of the people; a curious thing enough, that they should
submit with patience to the fact, and yet at the same time dread the
name as the destruction of their liberty. Caesar, very much
discomposed at what had past, got up from his seat, and, laying bare
his neck, said, he was ready to receive the stroke, if any one of
them desired to give it."
The I found the diarrhea passage in Dio: "when once they had voted to
him on a single day an unusually large number of these honours of
especial importance,- which had been granted unanimously by all
except Cassius and a few others, who became famous for this action,
yet suffered no harm, whereby Caesar's clemency was conspicuously
revealed,- they then approached him as he was sitting in the
vestibule of the temple of Venus in order to announce to him in a
body their decisions; for they transacted such business in his
absence, in order to have the appearance of doing it, not under
compulsion, but voluntarily. And either by some heaven-sent fatuity
or even through excess of joy he received them sitting, which aroused
so great indignation among them all, not only the senators but all
the rest, that it afforded his slayers one of their chief excuses for
their plot against him. Some who subsequently tried to defend him
claimed, it is true, that owing to an attack of diarrhoea he could
not control the movement of his bowels and so had remained where he
was in order to avoid a flux. They were not able, however, to
convince the majority, since not long afterwards he rose up and went
home on foot; hence most men suspected him of being inflated with
pride and hated him for his haughtiness, when it was they themselves
who had made him disdainful by the exaggerated character of their
honours."
The investigator also said Caesar appeared to provoke the
conspirators by other actions such as wearing purple--the historical
dress of kings.
However, Cassius Dio says: "First, then, they voted that he should
always ride, even in the city itself, wearing the triumphal dress,
and should sit in his chair of state everywhere except at the
games;" Dio goes on, "As he seemed to like all this, a gilded chair
was granted him, and a garb that the kings had once used." Dio
continues, "When he showed himself pleased with these honours also,
they accordingly voted that his golden chair and his crown set with
precious gems and overlaid with gold should be carried into the
theatres in the same manner as those of the gods, and that on the
occasion of the games in the Circus his chariot should be brought in.
And finally they addressed him outright as Jupiter Julius and ordered
a temple to be consecrated to him and to his Clemency, electing
Antony as their priest like some flamen Dialis."
So, Caesar's wearing apparel seemed to be dictated by the Senate, not
necessarily by Caesar's own whim.
The investigator also consulted a forensic psychologist who suggested
that Caesar's behavior indicated he may have suffered from temporal
epilepsy. He said Caesar's voracious sexual appetite, voluminous
writings, and increasing airs of superiority would be consistent with
a person suffering from this condition. He explained that temporal
epilepsy only grows worse over time and Caesar may have feared he
would eventually lose physical control and his precious dignitas if
his condition continued to worsen.
The investigator also pointed out that Caesar's autopsy revealed that
he clutched the very note warning him of the assassination. The
investigator could not believe that he did not read it despite what
the ancient sources said.
The thing that confuses me, though, is if Caesar intended to be
killed, why did he hesitate after learning of all the bad omens and
thinking about his and Calpurnia's warning dreams? Even Dio says he
had to be persuaded to go to the senate house by Decimus Brutus:
"He was warned of the plot in advance by soothsayers, and was warned
also by dreams. For the night before he was slain his wife dreamed
that their house had fallen in ruins and that her husband had been
wounded by some men and had taken refuge in her bosom; and Caesar
dreamed he was raised aloft upon the clouds and grasped the hand of
Jupiter. Moreover, omens not a few and not without significance came
to him: the arms of Mars, at that time deposited in his house,
according to ancient custom, by virtue of his position as high
priest, made a great noise at night, and the doors of the chamber
where he slept opened of their own accord. Moreover, the sacrifices
which he offered because of these occurrences were not at all
favourable, and the birds he used in divination forbade him to leave
the house. Indeed, to some the incident of his golden chair seemed
ominous, at least after his murder; for the attendant, when Caesar
delayed his coming, had carried it out of the senate, thinking that
there now would be no need of it. "
"Caesar, accordingly, was so long in coming that the conspirators
feared there might be a postponement--indeed, a rumour got abroad
that he would remain at home that day--and that their plot would thus
fall through and they themselves would be detected. Therefore they
sent Decimus Brutus, as one supposed to be his devoted friend, to
secure his attendance."
Maybe embracing this relatively modern suicide theory made the
program more sensational to increase the viewership.
- Libitina
Mary Harrsch
Network & Information Systems Manager
College of Education
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
(541) 346-3554
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mharrsch
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:56:25 EDT |
|
In a message dated 4/29/03 9:22:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mjk@datanet.ab.ca writes:
> . His "contrived
> suicide" theory was based on several incidents and observations. The
> most convincing evidence, from his perspective, was a public
> indescretion in which Caesar refused to rise for a group of senators
> that approached him with a proclamation deifying him
We discussed this theory many moons ago at a JRS conference, I believe in
'99.
I'd have to check my notes. However the general agreement was it was
ridiculous.
Romans tend to be fatalistic as we all know. And Iulius Caesar believed in
his lucky star
and Fortuna guiding his way. When he met the conspirators and saw their
design, he was powerless. He had no body guards. So he submitted to death.
But I'm sure up to that moment he felt something would happen to save him.
Nothing did. Fortuna had abandoned him.
Had there been a strong Senate, I believe Rome would have profited from this,
and Republic
endure. But too much had happened before this, for it to go back to the pre
Sullan days.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] NR rally in Bollogna |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:16:29 +0200 |
|
Salve Amice!
I don't know if You already got it? But here it is:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting/index.htm
>Salvete!
>
>could sombody send me link to NR rally in Bollogna page i have lost it some
>how
>
>Valete!
>Petrus Domitianus AL
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Ludi Florales |
| From: |
Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:51:59 -0400 |
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Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Quiritibus SPD:
Due to complications in my macronational life the Ludi Florales
will begin tomorrow, rather than yesterday when they should have
begun. I trust the goddess will understand, and if she bears
any ill will for this delay will direct it solely at me.
Beginning tomorrow, 30 April, we will celebrate the Ludi Florales
with daily trivia contests and a subscription of Ludi Circenses.
The racing factiones should contact my Curule Aedilean colleague
Franciscus Apulus Caesar for details of the racing subscription,
if they have not already done so.
--
ex officio
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
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