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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] comitia plebis tributa : voting until May 11th
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 5 May 2003 21:29:34 EDT

In a message dated 5/5/03 4:20:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
danielovi@ciudad.com.ar writes:

> Due to delay in the beginning of the election I do hereby postpone the
> ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May 11th at 18:00 Rome
> time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.
>

Point of order. Is this an Edictum? If so, it should be declared as such.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] More Questions from Newbie
From:	"christyacb" <bryanta003@hawaii.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 02:52:36 -0000

Salvete,

I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post since I haven't
got a formal name yet. Before tending my application, I wanted to do
a bit of research and now I have a couple more questions. I have read
the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and read a good bit of
the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens to apply to, and
consequently a name, has been difficult.

1) I did a full rundown of all the gentes listed on the Album
Gentium. Most of the families consist of one member with that person
being Capite Censi and in an urban tribe. Does this mean that they
have neither paid dues or voted recently? If so, how often is this
status updated. In short, in order to judge activity in a gens, is
using the number of Capite Censi members versus the number of Rural
tribe members as a good gauge? (By the way, I have the entire list of
gentes with that info written down if anyone is interested in the
stats).

2) I live in Hawaii and can't seem to find anyone else in the area on
the list and it doesn't appear that it is included in the color map
of the different Provinciae. Any suggestions there?

3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those years of posts,
some of you have been posting that whole time, so it doesn't seem you
are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to choose a gens?
Activity is one way, but I don't want to get lost in a big gens that
may not be very cohesive. I'm interested in many aspects of Roman
life and culture, with the exception of actual fighting, though
strategy I do like, and would like to join a gens with a similar
spread of interest.

Thanks for your time everyone and I hope to have a proper name soon.

Christy aka Nemo the Newbie :)


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] More Questions from Newbie
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 01:05:20 -0300 (ART)

Salve

--- christyacb <bryanta003@hawaii.rr.com> escreveu: >
Salvete,
>
> I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post
> since I haven't
> got a formal name yet.

M.ARMINIUS: No problem, you can post here even if you
isnt yet a novaroman citizen.

> Before tending my
> application, I wanted to do
> a bit of research and now I have a couple more
> questions. I have read
> the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and
> read a good bit of
> the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens
> to apply to, and
> consequently a name, has been difficult.
>
> 1) I did a full rundown of all the gentes listed on
> the Album
> Gentium. Most of the families consist of one member
> with that person
> being Capite Censi and in an urban tribe. Does this
> mean that they
> have neither paid dues or voted recently? If so, how
> often is this
> status updated.

M.ARMINIUS: Yes, if someone didnt pay their annual
contribution to Nova Roma, he will be a "capite
censi", and will vote with one of the four urban
tribes, and with the last Centuria.

> In short, in order to judge activity
> in a gens, is
> using the number of Capite Censi members versus the
> number of Rural
> tribe members as a good gauge?
> (By the way, I have
> the entire list of
> gentes with that info written down if anyone is
> interested in the
> stats).

M.ARMINIUS: I love statistics! Forward your data to
me, please.

> 2) I live in Hawaii and can't seem to find anyone
> else in the area on
> the list and it doesn't appear that it is included
> in the color map
> of the different Provinciae. Any suggestions there?

M.ARMINIUS: Some of the provinces of Nova Roma,
specially the "unitedstatesian" ones, were created
before the establishment of the first main list and
the Tabularium, and so some data was lost. There are
no documents with the date of creation of Provincia
America Mediatlantica or their limits.
By the way, i suggest that the Consules can discuss
this issue with our Senate.
By the way, Hawaii seems to be, extra-officially,
included in Provincia California.

> 3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those
> years of posts,
> some of you have been posting that whole time, so it
> doesn't seem you
> are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to
> choose a gens?

M.ARMINIUS: Well, prospective citizens seems to choose
their ganes based in a variety of reasons, some of
them are:
- Familiarity. The name, like Iulii, or Cornelii,
because this name is famous, or familiar to you. One
joined my gens, Arminia, because he was studying the
battle of Teutoburg, won by the german Arminius. Or
someone who admire the Gracchi brothers can join the
Gens Sempronia.
- Friendship. your first friend in Nova Roma is from
a certain Gens, and so you join them.
- Geographical. You can join a gens because there are
a lot of people of your country/region there. Is
difficult to join a gens where no one spoke your
language, for example.
- Activity. A big gens, with a lot of active members,
can be a indication of support in Nova Roma. I believe
that the biggest gentes, like the Cornelia, has even a
private email-group. In my opinion, any gens with more
than 6 to 8 members, that is open and with at least
one member aproved last year, is active enough to gave
support to a newbie.
- Other reasons?

> Activity is one way, but I don't want to get lost in
> a big gens that
> may not be very cohesive. I'm interested in many
> aspects of Roman
> life and culture, with the exception of actual
> fighting, though
> strategy I do like, and would like to join a gens
> with a similar
> spread of interest.

M.ARMINIUS: My suggestion is, try to discuss cultural
issues in the main list, and see who answers. :)
By the way, we have associations where we can discuss
a variety of topics, the Sodalitates. You can join one
of them. Hum, where are our list of Sodalitates?

> Thanks for your time everyone and I hope to have a
> proper name soon.
>
> Christy aka Nemo the Newbie :)

Vale
Marcus Arminius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Carrawburgh Mithraeum
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 05:27:59 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the Newcastle Museum's discussion of Mithraism and
the Carrawburgh
Mithraeum:

http://museums.ncl.ac.uk/archive/mithras/text.htm

The site has an excellent collection of images of Mithraic artifacts,
the Carrawburgh Mithraeum, and epigraphic evidence from votive
inscriptions.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 06:07:42 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "christyacb" <bryanta003@h...>
wrote:
> Salvete,

Salve!

Welcome to Nova Roma. You have embarked on your journey in Nova Roma
the right way, reading, reading, reading. The Constitution, founding
documents, list archives, etc. I am impressed--all should be so
thorough.

> I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post since I haven't
> got a formal name yet. Before tending my application, I wanted to
>do a bit of research and now I have a couple more questions. I have
>read the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and read a good
>bit of the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens to apply
>to, and consequently a name, has been difficult.

I understand, it is a difficult decision. And don't be shy to post,
you have done well so far.

> 3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those years of posts,
> some of you have been posting that whole time, so it doesn't seem
>you are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to choose a
>gens?

As I mentioned above, it is a difficult decision. Unlike our birth
names, here we choose names that must fit us individually. Sometimes
it is quite a trial!

Though Arminius did a very good job of suggesting ways to chose a
name, I hope you don't mind my suggestions and observations as well.

When I was censor three years ago, I noticed (and still thik this is
valid) that there seem to be two main categories of names people
choose: historical figures one admires or "custom" names to suit
one's personality. Both are perfectly valid options.

It is easy to see why one would choose an historical figure. The name
is instantly recognizable and carries a certain cachet to it as well
as, to a lesser extent, certain traits commensurate to that
historical figure. One can sometimes make decent personality guesses
to the person who would chose the name Lucius Cornelius Sulla or
Quintus Fabius Maximus, and to a degree one would be right. A person
chooses a name to bring an instant connection to that ancient person
and to honor the memory and legacy of that ancestor.

The second category is more difficult but perhaps more interesting
(ok, I'm revealing a bias here). One choses a name, or combination of
names to suite one's interests and personality. Since you are a
female, you would have fewer historical examples to chose from anyway
so a custom name might be your best option. It is also a way to start
a new legacy with no instant ancient linkage or baggage.

I'll use myself as an example. It sounds ridiculous now, but I
AGONIZED over a name during the eight months leading up the founding
of Nova Roma. For most of those eight months I didn't even know Nova
Roma was in the works except it was a Roman group a friend of mine
was working on creating, but for some reason, I was intent on getting
a Roman name. (a lot of things really just fell together to prepare
me for Nova Roma during 1997, studying Latin, the religio in depth,
history and choosing a name)

I considered briefly the name Quintus Aurelius Symmachus, in honor of
the senator of the Altar of Victory fame but I was pretty sure I
wanted the name Decius Iunius, though for the life of me I can't tell
you why now I wanted the name Iunius except it felt right. Decius was
for the emperor Decius, a famous persecutor of Christians (I was
somewhat anti-Christian then, something that is long behind me). It
wasn't one of the standard praenomen but I discovered references that
it was a common Italian praenomen and was used in SOME Roman gentes.
So, I claimed it as my own.

That left a cognomen, which was where the agony came in. :-) I tried
numerous cognomina, none of which quite worked. Odysseus, Ulixes
(Latin name for Odysseus), Athenus, Athenaeus, Athenaicus, Petronius
and others I have forgotten. I was dedicated to Pallas Athena,
Minerva if you will, and wanted a name to reflect that. It came down
to Ulixes and Petronius and I drew lots to decide--Ulixes won but
something didn't feel right despite the connection to Athena. About
three or four weeks before Nova Roma was to go public, a friend
suggested another derivative of Pallas Athena, Palladius, and I
instantly knew I had my name, though I still drew lots for the name
and Palladius won overwhelmingly. I can't imagine another name to
this day (besides the agnomen Invictus I received in 1999 which I
usually only use in official correspondence).

Other custom names that come to mind are those of our two founders,
the resigned Flavius Vedius Germanicus, who chose the name Vedius in
honor of the God Vediovis and Germanicus because he was religiously
an Asaratur (spelling is wrong I know). Marcus Cassius Iulianus chose
Iulianus as a cognomen in honor of the emperor Julian.

I hope that wasn't the dullest piece of drivel you've ever read,
hearing about my inner agony as I chose a name. I had the luxury of
time when I chose a name, there was no citizenship to apply for.

So, I would suggest combining interests to form a name. If you are
religious, perhaps a name connected to a deity, a derivative without
actually using the name of the God or Goddess (I've always thought it
the height of hubris to take the actual name of a God). Perhaps join
the gens you have most in common with politically or historically and
chsoe a praenomen that feels right. Much of it IS subjective and you
have to know yourself to find a name that will fit. You'll chose well
I'm sure. If you need help, let me know.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 09:58:33 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus Nemini Advenae Christy salutem dicit

Salve, Nemo Advena Christy [I apologise but "Nemo Advena" is the best
I can Latinise "No-name .newcomer"]

As have already been presented, there are several strategies for
slecting a Roman name. From what I have seen in NR and elsewhere,
while the instant name recognition of the name of a historical figure
has its charms, it also tends to increase the ill will you would
experience from those whose reading of Roman history leads them to
identify your chosen historical namesake as a filthy, leperous,
murdering bugger (which was the view of L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Dictator held by many Marians -- I suspect from my examination of the
archives that this led some to tar unfairly our NR L. Cornelius Sulla
Felix with his namesakes' brush). L. Cornelius seems to have risen
above all that, but it is a potential fight one might wish to avoid
early on in your NR journey.

I also am a recent citizen. As a professional historian who has
research interest in the late republic, I had a rather great number of
examples of historical names which might have suited me. I see one of
the fundamental conflicts in the republican political-economy being
restriction of slave-dependent latifundia while reducing oligarchic
expropriation of the ager public, on the one hand, and the need for a
free rural agricultual labour force from which the army could
recruited. It was the issue which got the Gracchi murdered. It was
the issue around which the urban poor could be mobilised for
revolution and a revolution which might have swept away the Roman
oligarchy. I greatly respect M. Aemilius Scaurus, consul and censor,
who struggled to resolve this fundamental crisis in the Roman
political-economy and stood with G. Marius in resolving the military
component of the problem. But I had no desire to be in NR M. Aemilius
Scaurus, or G. Marius. I also much respect C. Iulius Caesar who
became the only Roman aristocrat who could inspire and organise the
potentially revolutionary force of the caput census to be productive
soldiers and colonial farmers, although his methods permanently ended
the republic. I also respect C. Iulius Caesar Octavianus Augustus for
his reestablishment of the republic to the furtherst degree possible
after the civil wars; even as princeps he made every effort to bring
the republican senate into governance, although the political dynamics
of the civil wars changed republican institutions in a way which made
them ultimately irrecoverable. And I thought it damned presumptuous
to take their names. I gradually drew toward the gens Iulia and found
the Materfamilias Iulia Vopisca very friendly and helpful. With
Iulius as a nomen, I decided that it would not be too presumptuous to
take the most common praenomen of the gens, Gaius. That left a
Cognomen. I limp a bit from arthritis and a old broken ankle's
twinging, a common cognomen referring to that sort of physical ailment
is Scaurus. And Scaurus looked back toward M. Aemilius Scaurus, whom,
I said, I also respected greatly. Gaius Iulius Scaurus came naturally
from those historical associations, the warm welcome of the
Materfamilias and my propinqui in the Gens Iulia, and the limitations
of my body. My only point here is that there are a wide variety of
factors which can contribute to successfully choosing a Roman name.
Give it a good deal of thought from every direction, since it will
frame the way in which your fellow citizens deal with you for the rest
of your life in NR.

May the Gods lead you firmly to that name which is most you.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Portuguese Interpretation
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 11:15:52 -0000

Salve,

(The gods have heard me!) Welcome aboard! Nowadays, the portuguese
translations are being done by me and T. Arminius Genialis. But this
is a Hercules job, thanks gods the most important documents were
already translated, BUT there is lots to do yet. Alas, you can send
me some of your work, to contribute on revising.

I adress you to subscribe the Decuria of Interpreters list. We are a
little bit silent because many interpreters gained some others
magistracies and the responsiblities make us sick. Unfortunatly, our
job is lonely and tiring. Like the (greatest) poet Drummond said:
´Fighting the words is the vainest fight´.

Alas, uploading everything on NR site is always another Hercules job.

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <politicog@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Should the Republic require it, I will be happy to serve as one
of
> the Portuguese translators. Though not a native speaker, I did
live
> in Portugal for two years (even got to walk on top of a Roman
> aqueduct!) and try to keep my language skills current.
>
>
>
> Lucius Quintius Constantius of Lacus Magni


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Voting Continues
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 13:28:07 -0000

Salvete Fellow Plebians,

Voting in the The FINAL election of 2756 for the FINAL Tribune spot
has continues at:

http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/index.html

Why not click on over and vote right now?

And remember.....among the remaining candidates for Tribune:

"Laenas is the finest!!!"....Vote Gaius Popillius Laenas for Tribune"

>>This message paid for by the Committee to Elect Gaius Popillius
Laenas Tribune; Gaius Popillius Laenas, Chairman<<


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 14:00:00 -0000

Salve!

Let me add my welcome to Nova Roma.

It looks like most of your questions have been answered very well,
but Palladius' post about the two styles of Roman names interested
me and I thought I would share my experience.

I never considered a custom name. I wanted the pranomen Gaius (I
just like it) and one of my historical favorites was Gaius Marius.
Guess what? - Taken, as were many of the others.

So, I did a little research and I found the story of C. Popillius
Laenas. Laneas was an old Consular who was sent to confront
Antiochus of Syria who was encroaching into Egypt. Laenas went to
Egypt only with his lictors and met Antiochus in the desert. When
Laenas prtesented the Roman demand that he leave Egypt, Antiochus
said he had to think about it. Laneas used a staff for support
(told you he was old) and he took the staff and drew a circle in the
sand around the feet of Antiochus and demanded an answer before he
stepped out of the circle. Antiochus dedcided to leave Egypt :-O.
That sounded perfectly Roman to me and a great name, and the
cognomen Laenas means "priestly mantle" or "heavy cloaks" which
sounded OK too.

BTW, if your not already bored enough, a more dubious Gaius
Popillius Laenas was the mad who murdered Cicero on orders from
Marcus Antonius.

Finally, gens Popillia is open if you are interested.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas (heir of the Consular, not the murderer)


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] More Questions from Newbie
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 07:10:13 -0700

Ave Christy,

My comments are listed below:

----- Original Message -----

From: christyacb

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:52 PM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] More Questions from Newbie

Salvete,

I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post since I haven't
got a formal name yet. Before tending my application, I wanted to do
a bit of research and now I have a couple more questions. I have read
the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and read a good bit of
the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens to apply to, and
consequently a name, has been difficult.

1) I did a full rundown of all the gentes listed on the Album
Gentium. Most of the families consist of one member with that person
being Capite Censi and in an urban tribe. Does this mean that they
have neither paid dues or voted recently?

Sulla: Yes, that they have not paid the recent tax and have failed to vote in the Nov./Dec. election.

If so, how often is this
status updated.

Sulla: In the case of the taxes, it was updated very quickly. As Paterfamilias of the Gens Cornelia I was in constant contact with Quaestor Gnaeus Octavius Noricus to get updated status on payments from members of the Gens Cornelia. When I went to observe the Album Civium I noticed that the Album was updated within a couple of hours.

In short, in order to judge activity in a gens, is
using the number of Capite Censi members versus the number of Rural
tribe members as a good gauge?

Sulla: One could use that method to determine an active gens. However, if I was applying to join Nova Roma today what I would do is to email 4-5 Pater/Mater familiae and start up conversations with them. See how you like them.how you get along with them, if they even respond. J

2) I live in Hawaii and can't seem to find anyone else in the area on
the list and it doesn't appear that it is included in the color map
of the different Provinciae. Any suggestions there?

Sulla: Hawaii is informally apart of California, if I recall correctly.

3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those years of posts,
some of you have been posting that whole time, so it doesn't seem you
are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to choose a gens?

Sulla: Email the Paters/Maters and individuals who are already gens members. If you enjoy the correspondence chances are you will enjoy the gens. J

Activity is one way, but I don't want to get lost in a big gens that
may not be very cohesive.

Sulla: Big does not mean its not cohesive, being Paterfamilias of the largest gens in Nova Roma I can tell you that. J

I'm interested in many aspects of Roman
life and culture, with the exception of actual fighting, though
strategy I do like, and would like to join a gens with a similar
spread of interest.

Sulla: That's great. I hope you find a gens that is a perfect fit for you.

Thanks for your time everyone and I hope to have a proper name soon.

Sulla: Good luck and happy gens hunting.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Christy aka Nemo the Newbie :)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Florales Circensis -- Final Race results!
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 10:42:12 -0400

Hello race fans! Welcome to the final race of the Ludi Florales Circensis!

Today's race pits the winners of the four semifinal races against each other.
Three teams from praesina battle it out for the glory of the green against
one lone representative of albata. Russata and veneta are out of the
contest now, leaving only green and white.

Taking the pole position in today's race we see the defending champion
from last year's Ludi Florales, the green chariot Essedum driven by
Italicus and owned by Manius Constantinus Serapio. Next we have
the Green Flash driven by Pugio and owned by Marcus Minucius Audens.
In the number three position we see Minotaur, driven by its owner,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus. And on the outside, the lone albata chariot,
Alea Iacta Est, driven by Aurelius and owned by Marcus Tullius Philippicae.

You remember that Aurelius surprised us all in the last race of the
semifinals, taking a surprise victory against the current champion of
praesina! Can he do it again? Whose chariot will reign supreme?!?

They're at the starting line... the drivers exchange their traditional
compliments to each other... and they're off!

Streaking down the front stretch it's green, green, and green with
white closing up the rear! It looks like... yes, it's the Green
Flash out in front, followed by Essedum and Into the
first turn... and now they're clear and coming down the backstretch.
Now the Minotaur is challenging Essedum early, coming up on the inside.
As they approach the near turn Minotaur has edged Essedum away from
the inside lane... and now they're into the turn! It's Green Flash,
Minotaur, Essedum, and Alea Iacta Est at the end of the first lap!

Now the Alea Iacta Est swings wide and begins a charge. This is
exactly what we saw in the semifinals when Aurelius won his
upset victory there. A charge down the straightaway at every
opportunity, with wide swings on the corners, trading the loss
of speed there for the greater forward momentum he gains from
his headlong charges. But can his team answer again today?
They ran like the wind earlier. Will they be up to another race
like their last one?

Into the far turn, Aurelius has overtaken Italicus now...
It's still Green Flash in front followed closely by
Minotaur... Paulinus is really hugging the inside rail
as he rounds the turns... Now in the backstretch the white
chariot charges again! Approaching the near turn Aurelius
has drawn even with the Minotaur, but has to give way now
as they round the turn... At the end of two laps it's still
the Green Flash in front, followed by Minotaur, Alea Iacta Est,
and Essedum.

Once again Alea Iacta Est charges forward, gaining on the Minotaur.
They're even.... and now the white chariot has overtaken the green
Minotaur! Into the far turn, it's Green Flash, Alea Iacta Est,
Minotaur, and Essedum!

You have to wonder what's going through the mind of owner
Manius Constantinus Serapio right now folks. His is the defending
champion chariot and right now it's running dead last two and a
half laps into this race!

Into the near turn again... the order is the same still, though as
they break onto the straightaway Alea Iacta Est starts to move up
on the leader, the Green Flash! Aurelius is really giving us a
display of great driving skill today, the way he's handling his
white chariot and winning team! And Yes! He's taken the lead!
Going into the far turn the white team is in the lead! We're
halfway through this race and the excitement is palpable!

Down the backstretch Aurelius is extending his lead, still driving
his team hard in the straightaways. Pugio in the Green Flash is
behind him, driving his own race... with the Minotaur coming up
on the inside and Essedum still in the rear... Into the turn
Paulinus is hugging the wall, throwing sparks from the Minotaur's
wheel hubs! And at the end of four it's the white Alea Iacta Est
in the lead, followed by Minotaur, the Green Flash, and Essedum.

Now the white Alea Iacta Est is all alone out in front, still
adding to his lead... the Minotaur is hugging the inside of
the track, and it looks like Paulinus is going to try to pick
up the slack in the turn again... Yes! They're in the turn,
the white chariot going wide again while Paulinus hugs the wall!
Behind them the Green Flash and Essedum complete the turn...

Coming down the backstretch in the last half of this fifth lap
Aurelius continues to drive his horses for all they'll give him.
But his team seems to have lost its stride... They're still in
front, but they're clearly not able to give him the extra kick
that they gave in the earlier laps... The Minotaur is moving
up as they approach the near turn... and now the Minotaur has
taken the lead! Coming out of the turn at the end of five it's
Minotaur, Alea Iacta Est, the Green Flash, and Essedum!

What's this?!? It looks like the Green Flash is in trouble
now. Pugio is leaning back on the reins, slowing his team to
a canter as Essedum swings wide past him. And now we can see
a bent wheel on the inside hub of the Green Flash chariot as
Pugio drives slowly off the track. What a tough break for
a great team and driver! But we know he'll be back. Let's
have a big hand for Pugio as he leaves the field today!

Around the far corner Minotaur is still in the lead, and
now Essedum has overtaken Alea Iacta Est. The white chariot
is really flagging now, and the horses are clearly winded.
I think Aurelius is out of it for today folks... this race
is going to come down to a contest between the hard charging
Paulinus in Minotaur and the patient professionalism of
Italicus, who is still quite definitely in this race, defending
his championship from last year...

And at the end of six it's Minotaur, Essedum, and Alea Iacta Est
in a now distant third place!

Into the final lap now, Italicus shakes his reins loose and gives
his horses their heads... and oh do they respond! What a sight
this is folks! The Essedum team thunders up the track! Can
Minotaur hold on? Will Essedum win after all? Inquiring minds
want to know!!!

Around the far turn the Minotaur holds close to the wall as
we've seen all through this race. Essedum is right behind him...
and now they're clear and really racing!

AND DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME!

It's Essedum on the outside, coming up fast! He's overtaken the
Minotaur and his horses are flying! Two lengths! Two and a half!
Now into the last turn... he will not be caught! He's clear and
there he goes! At the finish it's Essedum all alone! The defending
champion has done it! Italicus has shown us his stuff here today!
Congratulations to Italicus and to a proud owner, Manius Constantinus
Serapio!

That's it from track side. Again, the final results of today's
Ludi Florales Circensis are: Winner, Essedum; 2nd place goes to
Minotaur, 3rd place to Alea Iacta Est, and 4th to the Green Flash,
which had to leave the course due to a bent wheel.


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Meeting Days of the Republican Senate
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 16:26:55 +0100 (BST)

A. Apollonius Cordus to L. Quintius Constantius and
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I can't fully answer the question, but I'll say what I
know. Augustus, as part of an overhaul of the Senate
and a codification of its procedures in the lex Iulia
de senatu somethingorother (sorry, I'm away from my
books!), officially fixed the days of Senate meetings
for the first time.

I'm not certain how closely he followed traditional
practice on this point - in general he changed little,
but I suspect that before this law the Senate's
meeting-times were a bit more flexible, since it could
essentially be convened by certain magistrates
whenever they wanted (provided it was a day suitable
for public business). Even Augustus wasn't too strict
about it - he let most Senators off meetings during
the holidays. :)

I'm sure someone else can supply a fuller answer.

Cordus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Very Important!!!. Plebeians, your vote is needed!
From:	"Daniel O. Villanueva" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 14:40:52 -0300

Tribunus Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus omnibus civibus plebeiis S.P.D.

This is a friendly reminder that your vote is extremely important for Nova Roma. Remember that this is the fifth runoff election for the 1(one) seat of tribunus still vacant. If all the tribes vote, then the latter will be fullfilled, and thus the endless problem of the vacancy will finally come to an end. So your vote will be greatly appreciated!.

Optime valete

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 20:06:13 +0200

Salvete, omnes.

The letter below was sent to me as the webmaster, I thought I'd forward
it to let our linguists have a go at it. Since I like making a fool of
myself in public, I'd guess that the name she's asking about, cumpian,
is either latin for something like "at the holy time" (cumpiam) or
italian for "with ease", or "slowly". Please let me (And her) know
what's really up. ;)

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Cynthia Gallaher <swimmer53 @ yahoo.com> wrote:
> Enjoying your website! I have a question about Latin
> word meanings.
>
> My husband's last name is Cumpian, and we've been
> running around in circles trying to find out what the
> name means. He is of Spanish origin, but someone told
> us it is a very old name and of Latin origin. I've
> also heard an Italian version of the name: Cumpiano. I
> realize "cum" means "with," but what about the "pian"
> part. We've toyed with "bread" -- "piety" --
> "company/friendship" and recently "piano" as meanings,
> the latter also suggested in one of your forum
> e-mails. "With piano?" Not sure.
>
> I also found out "pian" can be written as "pianum." I
> learned that the "Sodalitium Pianum" is a secret
> Vatican society meaning "Solidarity of Pius." Does
> that suggest the "piety" meaning?
>
> I'd greatly appreciate your help -- or at least your
> educated guess.
>
> In a dither!
>
> Best,
> Cynthia Gallaher-Cumpian


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 18:51:53 -0000

Salve Tite,

I checked around a little. The name Cumpian is from Spain looks like
its Basque. If that is so, it is much older than Latin and very
difficult to relate to other Indo-European languages. Some
authorities say the language is more than 10,000 years old and may
have come from Neanderthal routes.

Regards - Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> The letter below was sent to me as the webmaster, I thought I'd
forward
> it to let our linguists have a go at it. Since I like making a fool
of
> myself in public, I'd guess that the name she's asking about,
cumpian,
> is either latin for something like "at the holy time" (cumpiam) or
> italian for "with ease", or "slowly". Please let me (And her) know
> what's really up. ;)
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
>
> Cynthia Gallaher <swimmer53 @ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Enjoying your website! I have a question about Latin
> > word meanings.
> >
> > My husband's last name is Cumpian, and we've been
> > running around in circles trying to find out what the
> > name means. He is of Spanish origin, but someone told
> > us it is a very old name and of Latin origin. I've
> > also heard an Italian version of the name: Cumpiano. I
> > realize "cum" means "with," but what about the "pian"
> > part. We've toyed with "bread" -- "piety" --
> > "company/friendship" and recently "piano" as meanings,
> > the latter also suggested in one of your forum
> > e-mails. "With piano?" Not sure.
> >
> > I also found out "pian" can be written as "pianum." I
> > learned that the "Sodalitium Pianum" is a secret
> > Vatican society meaning "Solidarity of Pius." Does
> > that suggest the "piety" meaning?
> >
> > I'd greatly appreciate your help -- or at least your
> > educated guess.
> >
> > In a dither!
> >
> > Best,
> > Cynthia Gallaher-Cumpian


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Florales Victory Awards
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 14:58:06 -0400

Greetings citizens! As we conclude the Ludi Florales, I'm pleased to
announce the victors in the Ludi Florales Trivia Contest and the
Ludi Florales Circensis.

The winner of the Ludi Florales Trivia Contest is Gaius Iulius Scaurus.
Congratulations to Gaius Iulius Scaurus for a masterful demonstration
of Roman expertise.

The winner of the Ludi Florales Circensis, for the second year in a row,
is Manius Constantinus Serapio. Once again, Serapio's chariot Essedum,
representing the Praesina team, emerged triumphant. Fortuna has a
favorite, it would seem; and his name is Serapio.

This concludes the Ludi Florales awards.

-- ex officio
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 20:10:01 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date : 06 May 2003 19:51:53
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
>
>I checked around a little. The name Cumpian is from Spain looks like
>its Basque. If that is so, it is much older than Latin and very
>difficult to relate to other Indo-European languages. Some
>authorities say the language is more than 10,000 years old and may
>have come from Neanderthal routes.
>
It doesn't sound very Latin! If it is and there is an Italian connection with Piano then it must be Cum Plano meaning something like with the flat or with smooth, which is possible but a bit contrived. I can see how smooth could come to mean small or quiet but not exactly what that would mean! If it's Spain, maybe it's Arabic.
Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	"M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 20:55:22 +0200

Salve Quinte Lani,

Indeed Basque is apperently unrelated to any Indo-European language but it probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no evidence was ever found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal subspecies interbred. Most biologists appear to believe, by the way, that the Neanderthal peoples didn't even have languages, or in any case not as complex as ours due to the way their laryngeal and pharyngeal cavities were constructed.

Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)

Vale bene,
M. Octavius Solaris

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 18:43:00 -0000

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Tite Octavi.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> The letter below was sent to me as the webmaster, I thought I'd
> forward it to let our linguists have a go at it. Since I like
> making a fool of myself in public, I'd guess that the name she's
> asking about, cumpian, is either latin for something like "at the
> holy time" (cumpiam) or italian for "with ease", or "slowly".
> Please let me (And her) know what's really up. ;)
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
>
> Cynthia Gallaher <swimmer53 @ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Enjoying your website! I have a question about Latin
> > word meanings.
> >
> > My husband's last name is Cumpian, and we've been
> > running around in circles trying to find out what the
> > name means. He is of Spanish origin, but someone told
> > us it is a very old name and of Latin origin. I've
> > also heard an Italian version of the name: Cumpiano. I
> > realize "cum" means "with," but what about the "pian"
> > part. We've toyed with "bread" -- "piety" --
> > "company/friendship" and recently "piano" as meanings,
> > the latter also suggested in one of your forum
> > e-mails. "With piano?" Not sure.
> >
> > I also found out "pian" can be written as "pianum." I
> > learned that the "Sodalitium Pianum" is a secret
> > Vatican society meaning "Solidarity of Pius." Does
> > that suggest the "piety" meaning?
> >
> > I'd greatly appreciate your help -- or at least your
> > educated guess.
> >
> > In a dither!
> >
> > Best,
> > Cynthia Gallaher-Cumpian

I have been thinking about the surname "Cumpian". I have never heard
it before (and I have heard a few Spanish surnames :-) ).

I would like to know if this is the correct spelling-pronunciation of
that surname. If the surname arrived to the Americas a long time ago
it might have suffered some phonetical or ortographical changes.
Perhaps it does come from Spanish surnames like Campan, Canpla or
Company (the last one would be pronounced in a way very similar
to "coom-PINE").


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 21:33:03 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>
>
>I would like to know if this is the correct spelling-pronunciation of
>that surname. If the surname arrived to the Americas a long time ago
>it might have suffered some phonetical or ortographical changes.
>Perhaps it does come from Spanish surnames like Campan, Canpla or
>Company (the last one would be pronounced in a way very similar
>to “coom-PINE“).
>
>When I first saw it, I misread it as the flower Campion or Campian. Maybe that is the answer. Pronunciations and spellings in the past were somewhat variable in the past and it may have come into a Spanish family from English and acquired a variant pronunciation. I think the original is in fact Latin, probably Campianum, field-flower and I belive it had some herbalist use.
Caesariensis

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A Rhetorical Study of Virgil's Aeneid as Popular Entertainment and Political Propaganda
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 4 May 2003 15:26:11 -0400

Salve Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

Thanks for the quick response and for the article it will most likely be
the lead article in the June issue

Vale

Tiberius

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Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] A Rhetorical Study of Virgil's Aeneid as Popular
Entertainment and Political Propaganda

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>
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>
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>
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>
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >Nova Roman name when you have a minute thanks.
> >
> >
> >BTW GREAT article!
> >
> >Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 21:48:08 -0000

Salve M. Octavi,

I got that Basque/ Neanderthal data from Berlitz book of native
tongues and it was mentioned on Discovery magazine articles before.
Well I guess there are about 10 different theories about this
language but they all say it predated Latin and is anywhere from
3000 - 10,000 years + in age.

Regards,

Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Octavius Solaris"
<scorpioinvictus@h...> wrote:
> Salve Quinte Lani,
>
> Indeed Basque is apperently unrelated to any Indo-European language
but it probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no
evidence was ever found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal
subspecies interbred. Most biologists appear to believe, by the way,
that the Neanderthal peoples didn't even have languages, or in any
case not as complex as ours due to the way their laryngeal and
pharyngeal cavities were constructed.
>
> Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)
>
> Vale bene,
> M. Octavius Solaris
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 21:49:42 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Octavius Solaris"
<scorpioinvictus@h...> wrote:
> Salve Quinte Lani,
>
> Indeed Basque is apperently unrelated to any Indo-European language
but it probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no
evidence was ever found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal
subspecies interbred. Most biologists appear to believe, by the way,
that the Neanderthal peoples didn't even have languages, or in any
case not as complex as ours due to the way their laryngeal and
pharyngeal cavities were constructed.
>
> Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)
>
> Vale bene,
> M. Octavius Solaris
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Florales Victory Awards
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 22:05:56 -0000

Salvete omnes,

My compliments to the victors, Gaius Illuius Scaurus of the Ludi
Florales Trivia and once again,Manius Constantinus Serapio who won
the Ludi Flores Circences.

The trivia questions required a good knowledge of Ancient Rome and I
am greatly content that thanks to Serapio's great tactics, our green
team still reigns supreme!

A special thanks to Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, a champion of the day in
his own right! Never have I heard such a tremendous lap by lap
description of the chariot race and anyone following the race would
have recieved a great coloful picture in his mind as if he was
watching the Ben - Hur race in the theatre. Well done!

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bill Gawne <gawne@c...> wrote:
> Greetings citizens! As we conclude the Ludi Florales, I'm pleased
toie
> announce the victors in the Ludi Florales Trivia Contest and the
> Ludi Florales Circensis.
>
> The winner of the Ludi Florales Trivia Contest is Gaius Iulius
Scaurus.
> Congratulations to Gaius Iulius Scaurus for a masterful
demonstration
> of Roman expertise.
>
> The winner of the Ludi Florales Circensis, for the second year in a
row,
> is Manius Constantinus Serapio. Once again, Serapio's chariot
Essedum,
> representing the Praesina team, emerged triumphant. Fortuna has a
> favorite, it would seem; and his name is Serapio.
>
> This concludes the Ludi Florales awards.
>
> -- ex officio
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> Curule Aedile