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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Meeting Days of the Republican Senate
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 00:45:29 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus L. Quintio Constantio salutem dicit.

Salve, L. Quinti.

According to Cicero (_ad Quintum Fratrem_, ii.13), the republican
senate regularly met on the calendae, nonae, and idus of every month,
while special meetings could be convened by the curule magistrates and
tribunes of the people at any other time which did not coincide with a
meeting of the comitia or dies nefasti (ibid., ii.2).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] More Questions from Newbie
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2003 20:01:28 -0500

Salvete Christy omnesque

> I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post since I haven't
> got a formal name yet.

As has been mentioned before, everyone is welcome to post here. Feel
free to jump on in.

> Before tending my application, I wanted to do
> a bit of research and now I have a couple more questions. I have read
> the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and read a good bit of
> the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens to apply to, and
> consequently a name, has been difficult.

Well, my primary advice is a combination of that given by D Iunius and L
Cornelius. Choose a name which means something or appeals to you. And,
contact a number of patres et matres familias off-list and strike up a
conversation with them. If you're after a gens in which you can
particiapate, and it certainly seems that you are, then you'll want one
that feels comfortable to you from the standpoint both of name and of
people.

> 1) I did a full rundown of all the gentes listed on the Album
> Gentium. Most of the families consist of one member with that person
> being Capite Censi and in an urban tribe. Does this mean that they
> have neither paid dues or voted recently?

Yes. Cives who do not pay their taxes have the status of capite censi.
Cives who do not vote in the December elections are placed in the
urban tribus.

> If so, how often is this status updated.

There's a large update of tribal status that happens shortly after the
December elections, of course. Then, as cives pay their taxes, they are
declared assidui as soon as the quaestores update our citizen database.
That usually happens within twenty-four hours of the receipt of the
taxes. And, since taxes can be paid at any time during the year, this
can happen at any time.

> In short, in order to judge activity in a gens, is using the number of
> Capite Censi members versus the number of Rural tribe members as a good
> gauge?

Yes, though not absolutely so. Members of the assidui are certainly
likely to be active Novoromani. However, there are a fair number of
active cives who choose not to vote or pay taxes. I'd take it as a good
rule of thumb, rather than a hard and fast rule. My advice is to use it
as a starting place and move to contacting the patres et matres familias
of those gentes that appeal to you from there.

> (By the way, I have the entire list of gentes with that info written
> down if anyone is interested in the stats).

You've certainly spent a lot of time researching the Web site! That's
commendable dedication.

> 2) I live in Hawaii and can't seem to find anyone else in the area on
> the list and it doesn't appear that it is included in the color map
> of the different Provinciae. Any suggestions there?

Hawaii is informally under the jurisdiction of the governor of
California. Currently, that's Q Fabius Maximus (qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com).

> 3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those years of posts,
> some of you have been posting that whole time, so it doesn't seem you
> are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to choose a gens?

I hope what I've given you above helps. The key is to find a group
that's comfortable to you. Also, be sure to check out the various gens
and personal Web sites that are available through the Album Civium.
They can be a valuable window into a gens.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
May pre house the seamy side volitation!!!


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Taxes
From:	Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius <romalist2@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 19:26:15 -0400 (EDT)

Ave Omnes!

Well, I let the tax date slide on by before I got my
act together....however! I mailed my taxes with the
50% late fee, rounded up to the highest dollar, on
Monday (the 5th). I would have emailed just the
quaestores, but I can't find their collective address
(does such an address exist?).

But it's perhaps better this way, to get the message
out to those who I tenuously know and all that I -
Decimus the background Roman project do-er guy,
CaptaInactive (though I follow the lists always), has
paid his taxes for the first time since their
inception. If I can do it, we all can! (assuming
funding available).

Anyway, good wishes to all and valete for now!

=====
Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius Organbidexka

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Stats
From:	"christyacb" <bryanta003@hawaii.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 00:08:41 -0000

Salvete,

Since I got a couple of requests for the stats I did while
researching all the Gentes to find just the right Gens (still
looking), I thought I would post the most relevant ones here.

Yes, I do know there has been talk over the years about Gens
reform, and I don't want to start it up again, but I thought it was
interesting the way the numbers came out. If anyone wants the copy of
the Excel workbook, just let me know and I'll be happy to forward it
for your inspection.

Total Registered Gentes = 415
Gentes with only 1 member = 197 (47.5% of the total Gentes)
Gentes with only 1 member where that member is both in an Urban tribe
and Capite Censi = 183 (44.1% of the total Gentes)
Gentes where, regardless of number of members, all cives are listed
as both in an Urban tribe and Capite Censi = 237 (57.1% of the total
Gentes)
Gentes listed that, regardless of the number of members, have all
cives listed as in an Urban tribe = 321 (77.3% of the total Gentes)

Obviously, these numbers are taken with a 2 day snapshot in time,
and the list has probably changed in the last few days. Also, I
counted those listed as "Assidui(New)" as a separate category of
Assidui, but still Assidui, since I wasn't absolutely clear on those.
Some joined in 2001 but are still listed as such. Also, I
counted "Assidui2002" as Assidui because of the grace period
previously noted on the board. Minors don't count against anyone's
Assidui/Capite Censi count since they are listed that way on the
rolls.

Vale,

Christy aka Nemo the Newbie


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 02:19:48 -0000

>
> Yes. Cives who do not pay their taxes have the status of capite
censi.
> Cives who do not vote in the December elections are placed in the
> urban tribus.
>
>
Salve Tite Foortunate,

With respect to the above, I notice that I am in an Urban Tribe
Collina. I did cast my vote in the December election so should I be
in a rural tribe at this point or do the tribe adjustments take a few
months to go down the line? Taxes are all paid up.

Respectfully, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (4043)


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 6 May 2003 22:33:24 -0400

Salve

M. Octavius Solaris

Said Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)

What's this crap about GREEK pride I thought we we here to show our love
for Rome and our Roman pride! :< )

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?

> Salve Quinte Lani,
>
> Indeed Basque is apperently unrelated to any Indo-European language but it
probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no evidence was ever
found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal subspecies interbred. Most
biologists appear to believe, by the way, that the Neanderthal peoples
didn't even have languages, or in any case not as complex as ours due to the
way their laryngeal and pharyngeal cavities were constructed.
>
> Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)
>
> Vale bene,
> M. Octavius Solaris
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: go to: i am a friend to trolls and weirdos
From:	"decimusmariusoctavian" <decimusmariusoctavian@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 01:21:09 -0000

I would like to appoligize to those that i may have offended i was
out of line with someone i had no reason to be upset with when i
withdrew from the group. However i will not appologize for my beliefs
nor those of IR. There are those of you who would like to demonize us
or poke fun at us but we take our mission seriously and do not
appreciate those that would make fun. We should be brothers in the
quest for a rebirth of rome and would achieve much more if we could
at least maintain a civil relationship and respect each other. I
realize that our goals may differ in areas but some of you might like
what we are working for and like to join us some may not i have no
ill feeling towards those that do not agree with us you have a right
to your views but what i ask is that you respect those who would go
our way because we respect those that will go your way.

Thank you

Decimus Marius Octavian
Centurion,Legio Ivliana


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Florales Victory Awards
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 06:43:49 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Lanio Paulino salutem dicit.

Salve, Q. Lani.

Thank you for your kind words.

I would like to second your praise of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, who has
conducted these Ludi magnificently.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 07:19:51 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes.

Caesariensis scripsit:

> When I first saw it, I misread it as the flower Campion or Campian.
Maybe that is the >.answer. Pronunciations and spellings in the past
were somewhat variable in the past and >it may have come into a
Spanish family from English and acquired a variant >pronunciation. I
think the original is in fact Latin, probably Campianum, field-flower
and >I belive it had some herbalist use.

I don't think its likely to originate from campianum, since that would
require the atonic a before two consonants to weaken to e to i and
thence to u. It is possible in the movement from classical to late
vulgar Latin and thence to the Romance languages that something like
that occurred in this case, but that is a very large supposition
without a great deal more evidence. I checked Du Cange's _Glossarium_
for an apposite medieval example, but found none, which militates
against the argument. Roger Wright's translation and expansion of
Jozef Herman's _Vulgar Latin_ may have some relevant examples, but I
don't recall any.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Latin Inscriptions from Hispania
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 07:23:31 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here is a large selection of images and texts from the new edition of
the _Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum, vol. II: Inscriptiones Hispaniae
Latinae_:

http://www2.uah.es/imagines_cilii/

The site is a collaborative effort of the Centro CIL II of the
Universidad de Alcal and the Deutsches Arch�ologisches Institut.
Instructions at the site are available in Spanish, German, and English.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A Rhetorical Study of Virgil's Aeneid as Popular Entertainment and Political Propaganda
From:	ames0826@cs.com
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 01:39:36 -0400

Salve, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus:

Cool! How do I subscribe?

-- Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:

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>Thanks for the quick response andnbsp; for the article it will most likely be
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>Vale
>
>Tiberius
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin? -- What about Celtic?
From:	ames0826@cs.com
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 01:50:06 -0400

Salve Omnes:

I've heard talk about the Latin/Basque connection before, but there seems to be a more solid linguistic connection between Latin and the Celtic languages. Both apparently resemble each other more than either resembles anything else.

For example, in Old Irish, "seanad" means "a gathering of wise old men". Which of course is what "senate" means in Latin.

Vale,

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

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"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:

> Salve
>
>M. Octavius Solaris
>
>Said Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)
>
>What's this crap about GREEKnbsp; pride I thought we we here to show our love
>for Rome and our Roman pride!nbsp; :lt; )
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
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>probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no evidence was ever
>found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal subspecies interbred. Most
>biologists appear to believe, by the way, that the Neanderthal peoples
>didn't even have languages, or in any case not as complex as ours due to the
>way their laryngeal and pharyngeal cavities were constructed.
>gt;
>gt; Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:CUMPIAN_DEFINITIVE?=
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?Q?sa-mann@libero.it?=" <sa-mann@libero.it>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 14:13:38 +0200

Cives Spectati Omnes

Here is the definitive solution to Cumpian's mistery!

Yes, our respectable citizen Lucius Nauta got it.

Mislead were the ones who looked through Latin for solving the enigma.
To those peolple I shall underline a few points.

The "Sodalitium Pianum" that somebody mentioned is NOT a vatican secret society.
It WAS an official branch of the Vatican, whose members worked as secret agents in order to fight against the forces that were menacing the integrity of the Catholic faith from the inside of the Vatican.
Its members devoted themselves to hunt freemasons, protestants, jews and everyone supporting the so called MODERNISM, a kind of renovation the Church regarded as erethical. Its members worked undercover and reported directly to the Pope through its founder Monsignor Umberto Benigni or Cardinal Gaetano De Lai.
It was called Pianum NOT because it was pious, but because it 's been founded under the pontificate of Saint Pius X: pianum as adjective from the Pope's name Pius.

But let's come to Cumpian.
Lucius Nauta is totally right. Cumpian is a CELTIC name. In moder Irish Gaelic the word "CUMANN" means friendship; or, saying "a chumann" (the letter H is only phonetical, not ethimological) you say:" My darling".

Now the question is: being evident that cumann is very similar to company, that cumann translates company too, and the latin ethimology of Company is evident: cum-panis, that is to say sharing bread, is the word Cumann, of which the proper name Cumian, Cummian or Cummin is the celtic derivation and Cumpian is the anglicized version, coming straight from Latin or is simply similar because of the common Indoeuropean roots?

My answer is, the word Cumann is too much derived from a latin Hapax to be genuine celtic stock.
It simply is the celtic pronunciation of a Latin word. In Ireland this originated a proper name for people, and in Ireland only.
I don't know if our Cumpian is a Catholic, probably not, but we have a christian gens in NR after all.
So if eventually Catholic he can choose to feast his name-day either the 9 of June or the 12 of november.

June the 9: Saint Cumian of Bobbio, a benedictine bishop, resided in Italy but was an Irishman, as it's clear from his name. He spent his life fighting against the Celtic structure of bisopry in favor of the Roman one and died around 700 in Bobbio, Italy.

November the 12: Saint Cummian the Fada, as name nd nickname underline, was an Irishman and was at every evidence very tall. Fada today still means LONG. He was the son of FIACHNA, the king of West Munster around the end of VI century. He made himself a monk, then he founded an abbey called KILCUMMIN: cill is the Irish for Church. He strongly fought as his subsequent omonyme against the Celtic way of administrating the Church and was the strongest enemy of Iona for this reason until he died around 665.

Reverenter

Gallus Solaris Alexander

Bononia

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 06:55:12 -0700

Ave!

You would want to contact the Censors. They will be able to assist you in this area. Their email is censors@novaroma.org.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie

>
> Yes. Cives who do not pay their taxes have the status of capite
censi.
> Cives who do not vote in the December elections are placed in the
> urban tribus.
>
>
Salve Tite Foortunate,

With respect to the above, I notice that I am in an Urban Tribe
Collina. I did cast my vote in the December election so should I be
in a rural tribe at this point or do the tribe adjustments take a few
months to go down the line? Taxes are all paid up.

Respectfully, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (4043)


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 07:36:20 -0700

Ave!

Sure no problem. Good luck.

Vale,

Sulla
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From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:35 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave!
>
> You would want to contact the Censors. They will be able to assist
you in this area. Their email is censors@n...
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
Thanks Lucius. I'll do just that.

QLP


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: More Questions from Newbie
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 14:35:09 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave!
>
> You would want to contact the Censors. They will be able to assist
you in this area. Their email is censors@n...
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
Thanks Lucius. I'll do just that.

QLP


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Greetings and salutations from another newbie
From:	"Dan Charne" <krandock99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 23:50:35 +1000

I have a couple of questions I hope can be answered by the group.

Firstly, do I have to join a Gens or is it possible to remain a citizen at
large?

Secondly, if I have to join a Gens and can't decide on which one to join how
long do I have to decide on which one to join?

Thirdly, and this question is for those in Queensland Australia, is there a
group where a person can get training as or experience life as a member of
the Legions?

Lastly, I see a lot of discussion on Taxation here, but could someone tell
me how much the taxes are per year and when they have to be paid by?

Thankyou,

Dan

dcharner@ozonline.com.au

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Greetings and salutations from another newbie
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 07:45:53 -0700

Ave!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Charne
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:50 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings and salutations from another newbie

I have a couple of questions I hope can be answered by the group.

Firstly, do I have to join a Gens or is it possible to remain a citizen at
large?

Sulla: You can join a gens or found a new one. When I was Censor (2000-2001) if you wanted to create a new gens you needed to supply proof that the gens you are founding was historically accurate and that the gens you are founding does not already exist. You can check with the Censors office to get their requirements in founding a new gens.

Secondly, if I have to join a Gens and can't decide on which one to join how
long do I have to decide on which one to join?

Sulla: There is no time limit. You can take all the time you need to find a gens that is a right fit for you.

Thirdly, and this question is for those in Queensland Australia, is there a
group where a person can get training as or experience life as a member of
the Legions?

Sulla: Sorry, I am not in Australia, but I do believe there is a provincia group for residencts of that provincia. Please feel free to browse www.yahoogroups.com to sign up.

Lastly, I see a lot of discussion on Taxation here, but could someone tell
me how much the taxes are per year and when they have to be paid by?

Sulla: The tax is 12.00 (American) and from fee it is tiered based on monetary conversion rates for other countries.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Thankyou,

Dan

dcharner@ozonline.com.au

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A Rhetorical Study of Virgil's Aeneid as Popular Entertainment and Political Propaganda
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 10:53:55 -0400

Salve Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

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issues before I get you check.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A Rhetorical Study of Virgil's Aeneid as Popular
Entertainment and Political Propaganda

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Greetings and salutations from another newbie
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 10:47:32 US/Central

Salve Dan

> Firstly, do I have to join a Gens or is it possible to remain a citizen at
> large?

You must belong to a gens. However, it's possible to start a gens of your own,
so you don't have to join an existing one.

> Secondly, if I have to join a Gens and can't decide on which one to join how
> long do I have to decide on which one to join?

You have as much time as you need.

> Thirdly, and this question is for those in Queensland Australia, is there a
> group where a person can get training as or experience life as a member of
> the Legions?
>
> Lastly, I see a lot of discussion on Taxation here, but could someone tell
> me how much the taxes are per year and when they have to be paid by?

The tax for Australian cives is 14.00 AUD, which works out to 8.48 USD. You
can pay at any time. However, you'll be listed as one of the capite censi
until you do so, which means that you won't be able to hold any office and
you're vote in any ballot will count for less than the votes of taxpayers.
Everything you need to know about taxation can be found here:

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-2003-03-03-i.htm

You should also feel free to contact me privately if you still have questions
after reading the information provided at that location.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Review of WARRIOR CHALLENGE 05/06/03
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 12:32:58 -0400

PBS showed a Roman Legionnaire segment on Warrior Challenge last night. For those who have not been following this show, it is a form of reality TV wherein a number of modern professionals from the military or protective services are stripped of their 20th century clothes and equipment and put into training as Vikings, knights, or Roman Legionnaires. The episode last night had four USAF NCOs and four British Emergency Services policemen and firemen go through training as 2nd century legionnaires at the Arbeia and Vindolanda forts in northern Britain.
We watched as they were given their tunics, sandals, and scarves; then armor, helmets, military belts, weapons, shields, and packs. Most of the gear consisted of mail or segmentata, legionary rectangular scuta, gladii, pili, and Gallic type helmets. The were given marching packs with mess kits and tools. Most of the gear was familiar to these 20th century soldiers until they were issued their spongium; a fist-sized piece of sponge attached to a stick. The QM said, "one spongium per contuberium (squad). They were somewhat confused by it.
They were put through their marching drill by John Walland, a British expert on ancient combat, acting as an optio. Being soldiers and BES, they marched well and quickly caught on to the Latin commands. They began to show their ignorance when it came to drill with pilum, gladius (rudus), and scutum. John showed them how to cast the pilum in open order: first rank casting and then drawing their gladii, while the second rank then cast, drew, and moved up with the front rank to form a solid line of shields. Apart from some fumbling and dropping by one of the Brits, things went rather well. It was during this period, that John explained to the modern milites what the spongium was used for. The reaction of one of the Americans was, "I'm not having any of that."
The men broke ranks after a grueling first day and retired to their barracks, stowed their kits, and prepare dinner--bacon (fatback), hardtack, and a stew of meat, beans, and lentils flavored with salt, garlic, and oil. While dinner was being prepared, two of the African-Americans were taken to the museum and shown that it was possible that black troops (or dark-skinned troops, at least) had served on Hadrian's Wall. On of the 20th century experts toured the Vindolanda Museum with David Birley, who showed him some of the Vindolanda tablets and spoke about the items bought, issued, or shipped to Vindolanda during the 2nd and 3rd centuries, including socks, underwear, and large amounts of food. When he returned to the legionnaires, he brought a welcome gift of gray wool socks to the troops. One of the Americans celebrated his 30th birthday with his fellows legionnaires with a toast of posca.
The troops spend a restless night in their unheated barracks sleeping on a wide shelf layered with straw. At first, the troops were hesitant about being too close to each other but as the night wore on, they snuggled for warmth and transferred their extra socks to their hands. On rising, one of the soldiers passed around a jar of Roman toothpaste, suggesting that some of his fellow soldiers needed it rather badly.
While the troops rose and began to prepare for their day, one of the Brits found a good use for the spongium and was seen on camera scrubbing out the dishes from dinner. I could just hear some old Roman soldier saying, "Hey, what are you doing? I use that thing on my a**!"
The legionnaires had more training that day which led to some minor injuries to the hands but was well received. Then came the hard part, the 20 Roman mile (18 modern mile) march in full kit. This was a real learning experience for everyone including the experts as the legionnaires had to balance their packs and pili on their right shoulder and carrying their shields with their left arms while wearing armor, cloaks, weapons, and helmets strapped to their chests. The pace was about three modern miles per hour with 10 minute breaks every hour. During the march, one soldier had to discard his too tight lorica segmentata because it was cutting into his armpits. Another had to discard part of his caligula sole because it had broken loose. Another had to keep readjusting his pilum and pack because it slipped down his shoulder. After about 7 or 8 hours, the troops arrived at the taverna and bath house where they could take a break with some wine, gambling, and women. One of the BES firemen said that the company of a woman after two days with men was something he had been looking forward to.
On the third day, the troops had to lug a ballista a half-mile or so to the reconstucted turf and stone wall segments at Vindolanda. The original legions had 60 of these crewed by three men each. The mission for this day was the challenge--three events to test what the troops had learned in their three days together. The teams were the Americans vs. the British.
The first test was customs duty. Each team had to search a group of reenactors dressed as civilians and confiscate all the contraband items that they were trying to get into the fort. The Americans won this trial and were awarded an extra pilum for the pilum throw.
The American threw first and missed, followed by the Brit who missed, and so on until the American finally put his last pilum into the straw target. This meant that on the third challenge--the Gate Attack--the Americans would not be shot at by an archer above the gate.
The Americans attacked first. They stormed through the gate and broke past the British soldiers. One of their number sprinted into the tower, up the stairs, and onto the rampart where he seized a ballista bolt and threw it to his comrades in the courtyard. The bolt was loosed from the ballista and the clock stopped: 1 minute, 16 seconds.
The Brits started by forming a tesudo (shield-wall) that stopped the arrow but slowed them down. They rushed the gate and crashed through the Americans like they weren't even there (I guess rugby and soccer do pay off) and charged the tower entrance. One soldier fell but his comrade went right over him and was up the stairs in an instance and tossed the bolt into the courtyard. The bolt was loosed and the total time was clocked at:

1 minute, 20 seconds!

The archer had made all the difference. All eight of the milites were good sports and parted company as friends. All agreed that this had been a great experience (but not one they would ever do again). Theo, an American NCO, said that after 20 years with the USAF he believed that he could have served 25 years with the Emperor's legions.

F Gal Aur Sec


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Factio Albata; congratulations
From:	"M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 18:35:49 +0200

Salvete Romani,

Although factio Albata did not win these ludi Floreales - the presence of the Greens was overwhelmingly strong - I would like to congratulate all drivers who participated and put up a very good show. Sadly enough I was too late to send my own driver thundering down the racing tracks but I can assure you that, just like Ah-nuld, he'll be back ;).

In any case, keep up the good work and never lose faith, mi albati! :)

Valete bene,
M. Octavius Solaris
Dominus factionis

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin? -- What about Celtic?
From:	"M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 18:48:07 +0200

Salvete Quinte Lani et Luci Apolloni,

Paulinus scripist:
<< I got that Basque/ Neanderthal data from Berlitz book of native tongues and it was mentioned on Discovery magazine articles before. Well I guess there are about 10 different theories about this language but they all say it predated Latin and is anywhere from 3000 - 10,000 years + in age. >>

MOS: Not unlikely, since its ancestry can't be traced back. Another theory I heard is that Basque *might* be related to a few very obscure Crimean dialects which would in turn descend from a pe-Indo-European language akin to Etruscan. The evidence didn't look very convincing to me, however. I guess we'll never know.

Nauta scripsit:
<< For example, in Old Irish, "seanad" means "a gathering of wise old men". Which of course is what "senate" means in Latin. >>

MOS: Celtic and Latin languages are indeed more akin than Celtic and Germanic languages (Germanic languages, if I recall correctly, are actually more part of another group which is more related to Slavic languages). Because Celtic languages are spoken on the fringes of predominantly Germanic language areas (the UK and Ireland) this connection doesn't seem so obvious but of course two millennia back most of the area of Western Europe was Celtic (including some parts of Spain I believe... I also heard that the ancient Dacians actually had Celtic ancestry).

Optime valete!
M. Octavius Solaris

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Historical CLothing
From:	FrBryanReif@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 14:52:12 EDT

Salvete,

I am looking to purchase a citizen tunic and toga in natural white wool.
Where is the best place tro get this, La Wren's Nest, or another vendor?

I read on the Legio XX site that a citizen who wears a toga would not wear
open sandles with it, but closed shoes. Where can I find a vendor who will
offer closed shoes? Does this mean a low ankle boot (does this suffice as a
closed shoe)?

Thank You.

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] comitia plebis tributa : voting until May 11th
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 21:06:21 +0200

Salve Q Fabius,

< > Due to delay in the beginning of the election I do hereby postpone the
> < ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May 11th at 18:00
Rome
> < time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.
> <

< Point of order. Is this an Edictum? If so, it should be declared as
such.

Due to a bit of a bump in the communication flow in NR, the cista was opened
one day late and so in order to make the election the legal minimum of 8
days, the election had to be extended by one day. Is an election
announcement an edictum or is extending the voting time by one day an
edictum? Or do you just mean that the message should have been sent
officially? Can you clarify please? Thanks!

Vale,

Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Invalid Voter Codes
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 20:23:27 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

The citizen(s) with the following voter tracking codes
has a malformed or inaccurate voter code:

# 353 and 363

Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is
given, and if you are unsure of your code, follow
the instructions posted previously to obtain your
current voter code by e-mail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339

Or you may write the censors: censors @ novaroma.org

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Rogator


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Invalid Voter Codes
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 20:35:56 -0000

If voting for Modius or Geminius, it is not necessary to correct
your vote. If however, you were voting for Laenas, please correct
you vote immediately!!!!!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@a...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> The citizen(s) with the following voter tracking codes
> has a malformed or inaccurate voter code:
>
> # 353 and 363
>
> Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is
> given, and if you are unsure of your code, follow
> the instructions posted previously to obtain your
> current voter code by e-mail:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339
>
> Or you may write the censors: censors @ novaroma.org
>
> Valete,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
> Rogator


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Invalid Voter Codes
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 16:43:50 -0400

In a message dated 5/7/2003 3:35:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net> writes:

>If voting for Modius or Geminius, it is not necessary to correct
>your vote. �If however, you were voting for Laenas, please correct
>you vote immediately!!!!!

That is a little tacky Laenas.

G. Modius Athanasius


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Invalid Voter Codes
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 13:49:19 -0700

Ave!

If you think that was tacky, you should go to the archieves and read about NR's first campaign for Tribune of the Plebs, Antonio Gryllus Graecus's campaign. :)

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Invalid Voter Codes

In a message dated 5/7/2003 3:35:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net> writes:

>If voting for Modius or Geminius, it is not necessary to correct
>your vote. If however, you were voting for Laenas, please correct
>you vote immediately!!!!!

That is a little tacky Laenas.

G. Modius Athanasius


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Invalid Voter Codes
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 21:01:23 -0000

Salvete Omnes et Gai Modi,

>>That is a little tacky Laenas.

G. Modius Athanasius<<

Lest anybody doubt, that was an attempt at humor.

Gaius Popillius Laenas


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Historical CLothing
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 21:10:57 +0200 (MEST)

Salve!
Wherever you buy it, make sure that the wool threads of the tunic are very
thin and that the fabric is woven in the same way as linen. Under no
circumstances it should be felted anywhere. The fabric should be very light, actually.
Try to wear a tunic with clavi, if you find one. For the Toga the same
things shoul apply.
Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Review of WARRIOR CHALLENGE 05/06/03
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 17:34:22 EDT

Salvete omnes,

For those of you who missed this program last night, there will be an encore
showing Saturday, May 10, at 4:00 pm in the New York City area.

Valete,

Gaius Lanius Falco

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re:CUMPIAN DEFINITIVE
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 21:27:20 -0000

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Gai Solari.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "sa-mann@l..." <sa-mann@l...> wrote:

<<snipped>>

> Now the question is: being evident that cumann is very similar to
> company, that cumann translates company too, and the latin
> ethimology of Company is evident: cum-panis, that is to say sharing
> bread [...]

If you are talking about the Catalan surname "Company", I am afraid
that the solution is simpler. In Catalan, "company"
means "companion". Phonetically, it is very similar to the Italian
word "compagno"; you just need to drop the final "o".


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 22:45:31 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Gregory Rose <gfr@intcon.net>
Date : 07 May 2003 08:19:51
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
>
>
>I don't think its likely to originate from campianum, since that would
>require the atonic a before two consonants to weaken to e to i and
>thence to u. It is possible in the movement from classical to late

I'm not sure what the original of Campian or Campion is. (I am not sure of the spelling). It sounds like one of those names that has come from the herbal's Latin into common speech rather than a native name. It would be an easy matter for a variant to develop with U for weakened A (I often pronounce that sort of A as some people pronounce short E, but others use a null-U sound) and thence to be written that way or if there is a Spanish history, to come into Spanish as heard from an English original. I don't see it as coming from Latin development.

Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin? -- What about Celtic?
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 22:52:09 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : ames0826@cs.com
Date : 07 May 2003 06:50:06
>
>For example, in Old Irish, �seanad� means �a gathering of wise old men�. Which of course is what �senate� means in Latin.
>
They are the closest in a presumed Celt-Italic division but beware of words borrowed. Irish is old in form and in spelling, so nowhere near as phonetic as Welsh or Breton but words like Seaned may well be loans either ancient and assimilated or modern, and loans through English. Poblach is used for Republic without too much change but I would assume Sr�id more likely from Street than Strata just because of the lack of any such thing outside of English areas.

Caesariensis

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re:CUMPIAN DEFINITIVE
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 23:00:00 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : �=?iso-8859-1?Q?sa-mann@libero.it?=� <sa-mann@libero.it>
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re:CUMPIAN DEFINITIVE
Cives Spectati Omnes
>
>It simply is the celtic pronunciation of a Latin word. In Ireland this originated a proper name for people, and in Ireland only.

<Self-kicking heartily>
As in Cymru and Cumbria and Cumberland of course. I wonder if the Irish clan were then of British immigrant origin?

Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re:CUMPIAN DEFINITIVE
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 22:59:59 +0100 (BST)


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 578
From:	"Declan Dillman" <dillpickle@qwest.net>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 09:30:12 -0600

Decimus Marius Octavian,

Bravo, Very well said!

"I would like to appoligize to those that i may have offended i was
out of line with someone i had no reason to be upset with when i
withdrew from the group. However i will not appologize for my beliefs
nor those of IR. There are those of you who would like to demonize us
or poke fun at us but we take our mission seriously and do not
appreciate those that would make fun. We should be brothers in the
quest for a rebirth of rome and would achieve much more if we could
at least maintain a civil relationship and respect each other. I
realize that our goals may differ in areas but some of you might like
what we are working for and like to join us some may not i have no
ill feeling towards those that do not agree with us you have a right
to your views but what i ask is that you respect those who would go
our way because we respect those that will go your way."

Gaius Marius Aquilus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Portuguese Interpretation
From:	politicog <politicog@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT)

--- Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
> (The gods have heard me!) Welcome aboard! Nowadays,
> the portuguese
> translations are being done by me and T. Arminius
> Genialis. But this
> is a Hercules job, thanks gods the most important
> documents were
> already translated, BUT there is lots to do yet.
> Alas, you can send
> me some of your work, to contribute on revising.
>
> I adress you to subscribe the Decuria of
> Interpreters list. We are a
> little bit silent because many interpreters gained
> some others
> magistracies and the responsiblities make us sick.
> Unfortunatly, our
> job is lonely and tiring. Like the (greatest) poet
> Drummond said:
> �Fighting the words is the vainest fight�.
>
> Alas, uploading everything on NR site is always
> another Hercules job.
>
> Vale,
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
>
>
>

Salve,

I have submitted a request to the decuria moderator
for approval. Let me know what documents require
translation and I can begin some work!

Lucius Quintius Constantius of Lacus Magni

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?
From:	"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Wed, 07 May 2003 22:47:43 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus Caesariensi salutem dicit (veniam peto, nam
praenomen nomenque tuum nescio).

Salve, Caesariensis.

>I don't see it as coming from Latin development.

In that case we agree. My only point was doubt that the current name
was likely to be reached by historical vowel mutation directly from
Latin to a Romance form; if a Hibernian/Celtic element is at play
here, then it's a question beyond my philological competence to resolve.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] comitia plebis tributa : voting until May 11th
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 16:06:47 EDT

In a message dated 5/7/03 12:05:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, diana@pandora.be
writes:

> or is extending the voting time by one day an
> edictum?
Salve Tribune
In order to facilitate the running of day to day operations in Nova Roma, you
may make changes to the law. But this change must be official, otherwise the
constitution does not recognize your authority. Right now your informal
announcement still means a 8 day voting period since you missed the first
day. Reissue your extension as an Edictum and make it official.
Gratias
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: comitia plebis tributa : voting until May 11th - Edictum
From:	"Daniel O. Villanueva" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Wed, 7 May 2003 20:37:14 -0300

Tribunus plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

Considering the message posted by Q. Fabius Maximus and transcribed below, I decided to repost the schedule of the voting ending at the comitia plebis tributa as a formal editum :

EX DOMO OFFICIO TRIBUNUS PLEBIS L. POMPEIUS OCTAVIANUS

Due to delay in the beginning of the election, by means of this edictum, I do postpone the ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May 11th at 18:00 Rome time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.

SCRIBEBAM BONARI� NON. MAI. MMDCCLVI A.V.C. (MAY 7TH 2003)

Curate ut valeatis

|Message: 19
| Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:29:34 EDT
| From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
|Subject: Re: comitia plebis tributa : voting until May 11th
|
|>In a message dated 5/5/03 4:20:20 PM Pacific Daylight |>Time,
|>danielovi@ciudad.com.ar writes:
|
|
|> Due to delay in the beginning of the election I do hereby |postpone the
|> ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May |11th at 18:00 Rome
|> time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.
|>
|
|Point of order. Is this an Edictum? If so, it should be |declared as such.
|
|Q. Fabius Maximus

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