| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Roman History. |
| From: |
"jachthondus" <rompy@xs4all.nl> |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 May 2003 18:01:46 -0000 |
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Dear NOVA-ROMA-People,
Having been a member of your Group for some time now, (and reading
seriously most of your daily-messages), I can't help to gradually
getting more-and-more "confused", (maybe because of my lack-of-
knowledge)!
On one side I got nearly be drowned in a sea-of-Latin-names-of
Persons/Members); plus an overwhelming-abundance of Latin-Civil-
Servants like Consuls, Praetors, Censors etc.; and many "greetings"
like "Salve" etc. And talkings about "Elections" what-ever...
My humble-question is:
Could You be so kind as to explain to me AGAIN the REAL-AIM of Your
Group; as I don't understand, although being an Historian,
specialised in Ancient-Rome...
Kindest regards, Jachthondus.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Something Silly |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 00:49:38 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Caesariensis.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, me-in-@d... wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From : Gregory Rose <gfr@l...>
> Date : 10 May 2003 12:30:24
> >
> > I understand that in some sociological circumstances (as opposed
> > to the official doctrine of the church) the virgin is regarded as
> > somone close to being part of the godhead, and there are period
> > rumours of a papal pronouncement of Mary as co-redemptrix (I
> > doubt the Catholic church will ever do this officially for a
> > number of reasons).
>
> Most of the Catholic saints are former gods. Bride/Brigitte whom
> Patrick refused to marry but became a nun instead is still as
> venerated as when she was Brighid and Paddy unheard of, (Love to
> know what motivated that tale), but turning Mary into the Goddess
> just conflicts too much with the Church's insistance that the whole
> thing is historical.
Please forgive me, Caesariensis; but I think that you are
exaggerating a little bit there. *Some* Catholic saints are former
Gods. Most Catholic saints are divinized dead people.
As for Mary being equated to Jesus, that would transform the Trinity
into a Quartet... The Fab Four or something like that :-).
(Once again, no offence meant :-) ).
> You end up with two divine incarnations and they have already run
> into the complication that for Jesus to be immaculate, Mary must be
> too and for her, so must her mother St. Anne and the thing is never-
> ending.
The funniest thing is that it all comes from a translation mistake.
Hieronimus (the translator of the "Vulgata") translated the Greek
word "parthenos" (maiden, young woman; probably a virgin, but not
necessarily so) into the Latin word "virgo" (virgin).
That's probably one of the most important translation mistakes in
History :-).
> I've always understood Christian Wicca to be a Wicca that accepts
> Jesus as a historical Great Initiate teaching a truer understanding
> of a god beyond gods than roaring old Jehovah. Less Wicca inside
> Christianity than Jesus as witch.
I have the feeling that anyone seriously considering that option will
be immediately labeled as "heretic" by the Catholic Curch.
> It doesn't do a lot for the Wicca and completely undermines
> orthodox Christian belief. Jehovah's witnesses who see Jesus as the
> Archangel Michael and Muslimms, for whom he is the 2nd Great
> Prophet might go along but I doubt it.
I think that none of those two groups sees magic (and thus Wicca)
under a favourable light.
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Something Silly |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 00:58:35 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Q. Cassi Calve.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@a...> wrote:
<<snipped>>
> Let me tell you a little story. I live across the harbor from
> Salem, Massachusetts. Once the home of very intolerant Puritans
> and forever tainted with the Witchcraft Trials of 1692, Salem is
> now a "pagan mecca."
I guess that it is quite natural for some people to consider Salem a
place of pilgrimage. Places of martyrdom have always been, even if I
think that most (if not all) of the people executed during the Salem
witch trials were actually Christians.
> One can't swing a dead black cat without hitting a pagan in
> Salem, except during tourist season when tourists outnumber
> residents about 2-1 during the day and 10-1 during the Halloween
> season. My niece happens to be a pagan and I do have pagan friends
> outside of Nova Roma. I'm afraid monotheistic traditions do not
> hold a monopoly on intolerance. To sum it up in two words, "witch
> wars."
That is true: intolerance is not limited to just certain religious
paths. Unfortunately, it is a quite common feature of human nature.
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Something Silly |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 02:03:32 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Salix Astur"
<salixastur@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites; et salve, Q. Cassi Calve.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> <<snipped>>
<snipped again> <g>
> I guess that it is quite natural for some people to consider Salem
a
> place of pilgrimage. Places of martyrdom have always been, even if
I
> think that most (if not all) of the people executed during the
Salem
> witch trials were actually Christians.
Quite true about that. What many people do not realize is that what
is now Salem is only a small portion of what was Salem in 1692. Most
of the accused came from what is now Danvers. Danvers was very
fertile farmland back then and still has farms in the more outline
areas. What is now Salem was and is mostly rocky penisula. One of
the interesting features of the judicial system back then was that a
person convicted of witchcraft had their property confiscated. Hmmmm
nice fertile farm land over there.... There was more to it than that
but human greed played a big role as well as petty fueds between
neighbors and politics where church and state are one and the same.
Though one of the 19 that were hanged, Bridget Bishop, most likely
did practice a form of folk magic from physical evidence of poppet
dolls and such, but I hardly think she was astral projecting herself
to torment "innocent" children and having wild orgies in the woods
with demons and such. Her worse crime was being a strong willed
woman in an age when such was not appreciated.
Well this is way off Roman topic so better to let it go at that.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman History. |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 May 2003 22:05:31 -0400 |
|
Salve Jachthondus
I am speaking as a Citizen of Nova Roma but I am speaking only for MYSELF and not for Nova Roma as a group.
As you have seen on our website Nova Roma:
" is an organization dedicated to the study and restoration of ancient Roman culture. From its legendary founding in 753 BCE to 330 CE, when it ceased to be the center of Imperial authority, Rome set the standard and laid the foundation for our modern Western civilization. Rome civilized the world, and we see the need for that divine mission to begin again."
I believe that the majority of Nova Romans would like to see a physical restoration somewhere in the world, A City-state governed under the Nova Roma Constitution ( and as close to the unwritten constitution of Ancient Rome as possible , given that 2000+ years have elapsed since the Republic fell). Some Nova Romans see this as just an administrative center, while I and others see us building the first NEW ROMAN CITY IN 2000+ years. Apartments , markets , temples, townhouses ,schools, a Senate house, libraries, a university etc . Some people would settle in Nova Roma as part of their retirement, others would come to help to set up schools or business or to bring the medical arts to the city. We might even let in a few ( very few ) advocates (lawyers) (GRIN). We would have immigrants just like any other place in the world.
Until that day we share, teach, study, show, and re-enact... our love of Rome and her history, we work as a community in the WWW and at person to person meetings like Roman Days in Maryland in early June or the NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY 2756 , that will take place from 1st to 3rd August 2003 in Bologna.
There is also another Nova Roma meeting in late June in Las Vegas Nevada, USA.
The City of Nova Roma would not have slavery, women would have equal rights, the State religion would be the Religio Romana but each and every citizen would be free to worship as they choose. We would build our new Rome on land that we bought and not taken in conquest.
We would build the worlds largest archaeological research center on Roman and Mediterranean civilizations. The Nova Roma Ministry of Archaeology would conduct or sponsor vast archaeology projects that would fill the Nova Roma museum of Roman History with thousands of artifacts from the Med ( underwater archaeology )and from other places our sponsored digs would go.
These artifacts would also be placed in the public spaces of our fair city.
This New Rome (Nova Roma) would have Latin as it's national language and we would work hard to reestablish Latin as a living language. We already have a national standard and some are working on a national Anthem. NONE of us sees this as EASY or just around the corner, but we have faith, after all Rome wasn't build in a day.
Again from our web site
"Also important is the Via Romana; a general revival of Roman culture, arts, and most especially what are known as the Roman Virtues. . These Virtues are what gave a small city on the banks of the Tiber the moral and practical strength to govern much of the world, and are most sorely lacking in our society today. By promoting Roman culture, we are in effect promoting nothing less than the revitalization of Western society. By practicing Roman crafts and arts, we more fully understand our own Western roots.
Nova Roma is more than a historical recreation society, although we are that. We are more than a pagan religious organization, although we are that, too. We are more than a classical studies group, but that falls within our purview as well. We are nothing less than a sovereign nation; an attempt to re-create the best of classical pagan Rome (with a few compromises to modern times)... and if we fall short of the goal of a physical Nova Roma then, the macro societies that we live in can only be better off with a group of people who practiced the Roman Virtues in their daily life and who shared their love and knowledge of Rome with others.
Just like the Rome of old:
"Our Republic is not the work of genius of one man alone, but of many. It was not created during the life span of one individual, but build up throughout the centuries ." Cato , in Cicero De Republic 2.2
Finally, the simply answer to your question is that NOVA ROMA ...IS A WORK IN PROGRESS
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
Nova Roma
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman History. |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 02:11:06 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jachthondus" <rompy@x> wrote:
> Dear NOVA-ROMA-People,
>>>
> My humble-question is:
> Could You be so kind as to explain to me AGAIN the REAL-AIM of Your
> Group; as I don't understand, although being an Historian,
> specialised in Ancient-Rome...
>
>
> Kindest regards, Jachthondus.
Hello (Salve) Jachthondus,
I copied this text from our introduction to via Romana. I think it
explains the REAL-AIM of this group reasonably well:
The Via Romana is the Roman Way of life. It is the direct application
of Roman ethics, virtues, and philosophies in everyday life, and it
is one of the the goals of NOVA ROMA to promote the Via Romana among
its citizens. One of the cornerstones of the Via Romana are the
Virtues; those qualities which define the ideal state of being and
behavior of the Roman Citizen. While no one can ever completely and
perfectly embody the Virtues, they remain as the goal towards which
we strive, and serve as the benchmark against which we may measure
ourselves.
The Via Romana also includes the various philosophical schools that
were active in the historical Roman Empire. Chief among these were
the Stoics and the Epicureans, although various other, less well
represented, schools existed as well. Roman philosophy provides what
the Religio Romana does not (nor does it try to); a coherent moral
code for personal behavior. Thus, while all of us are Citizens of
NOVA ROMA, and most are practitioners of the Religio Romana to one or
another extent, the choice of personal philosophy allows the
individual to express his or her personal moral and cosmological
inclinations within the larger framework of Roman society and
religion. This separation of personal philosophy and religion is one
of the most healthy aspects of the Religio Romana, and one of the
reasons it is so uniquely suited for modern times.
Finally, the Via Romana, in the modern context, refers to the general
study and practice of Roman culture. As with all aspects of NOVA
ROMA, the extent to which any given Citizen indulges in this area is
up to his or her own inclination; but it is certainly encouraged.
This includes the learning and use of the Latin language, the study
and reenactment of Roman arts (including historical military
reenactment), the production of Roman drama, the study of Roman
history, and a wide variety of other pursuits. It is as part of the
Via Romana that Citizens are expected to take up Roman names for use
within our society. Similarly, each Citizen is considered to be a
member of one of the gentes (families); new citizens may either be
adopted by existing gentes or may form their own.
As with all things that make up the Via Romana, the emphasis is on
the practical application of these arts and this knowledge in our
everyday lives. We study Rome because we seek to emulate Rome; we
emulate Rome because we admire Rome.
A FEW OTHER POINTS
1 We would eventually like to get a piece of land and have a mini
nation somewhat like the Vatican. They will build Roman structures on
it and put our ideas into practice; maybe an ancient version of
biosphere.
2 My personal view is that Nova Roma also serves as a great meeting
place for exchanges of ideas, comdradeship and interaction that would
have not been possible 15 years ago. All of us that are members have
one thing in common, a fascination and passion for Ancient Rome. Here
there are novices, middle of the line and experts on Ancient Rome.
When I come here to read, learn, chat or take a course I know that
the others around this site share in my interests. In reality,
outside of NR I find little interest by my peers in Ancient Rome, a
Rome that must compete with dozens of sitcoms, scandals in the
government, who gets off what island, soap operas and the Simpsons.
Just like any other organizations, no matter how big, we do have
problems and differences sometimes and a minority of the people do
the majority of the interactions and work but work hard they do.
I hope this helps your inquiery; Others will respond to this post
soon.
Yours respectfully,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Joseph Kelly)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 May 2003 22:17:36 -0400 |
|
"Yours respectfully, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Joseph Kelly)"
Hay Mr. Kelly shouldn't we be building a Nova Hibernia ( a big Celtic grin)
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ( Timothy Paul Gallagher)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Tele Course |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 02:24:43 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes,
I want to draw your attention to a good series of history lectures
that they show very early in the mornings on the Learning Channel.
The program is called " The Western Tradition" by Professor Eugene
Weber oe UCLA. It has been running off and on since the late 80's and
covers Ancient Egypt to the Cold War. I draw this to your attention
because his series of lectures that cover Ancient Rome are just
terrific. I'm trying to find and buy thi series on video (33 tapes)
but it seems to be just available for study courses for now. I'll
keep looking!
Regards,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Hibernia |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 02:40:48 -0000 |
|
Ho Mr. Gallagher,
Agricola was wise to stick with trading with but not invading Hibernia
(though he said he could do it with 1 legion) Its said that God gave
the Irish whiskey so they'd never rule the world. No whiskey in those
days but strong drink I bet! Lucky Romans!
Oh, by the way - new historical research being done in the Vatican
suggests that Jesus Christ may really have come from Hibernia. Why?
Who but a Hibernian would be 30 years old, still single and working
at home with mom and dad!
If we're not made Consuls and twin dictators of NR we could take our
marbles, go and start Nova Hibernia. " Rather would I be chief of a
barbarian village than second man in Rome!" (Julius Caesar)
LOL,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Big Grin
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> "Yours respectfully, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Joseph Kelly)"
>
>
> Hay Mr. Kelly shouldn't we be building a Nova Hibernia ( a big
Celtic grin)
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ( Timothy Paul Gallagher)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] taxes... |
| From: |
Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius <romalist2@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 May 2003 19:14:01 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Ave Omnes!
Hope everyone is well.
I paid my taxes on the 5th and I sent a message to the
main list stating so. I was wondering, though, when I
would expect to hear from someone that they got the
money and all is well. Also, who exactly handles the
taxes? I've forgot....
Also, I just watched the warrior challenge that pbs
played last week (I missed the first showing and taped
the second). It was good...I thought it was funny
that the one guy used their spongia for cleaning the
dishes....hope it wasn't dual use! It was a pity that
the bath reconstruction they visited wasn't a working
bath....I'd have wanted a complete job if I had been
in charge!
Call going out to Pompeia Cornelia Strabo! Are you
around? What's the scoop in the Sault?
Also, happy belated birthday Sulla! May all continue
to be well for you!
Valete!
=====
Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius Organbidexka
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Uncoming Events |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 May 2003 23:26:34 -0400 |
|
Salve Romans
I just placed an article in the May Eagle on the Rally in Italy set for August 1-3 2003
If anybody has any other events, for the next several months , I would like to post them as well
Please send them ASAP
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman History. |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 May 2003 20:56:52 -0700 |
|
Ave Jachthondus,
Let me try to answer your question, if you do not mind.
Nova Roma is many things to many people. In its broadest concept Nova Roma is a means to learn more about ancient Rome. A place where we can get together to learn together and to debunk inaccuracies (reference the archieves about how accurate Gladiator was) about ancient Rome. In that respect Nova Roma is not much different from any other email list (ie imperialrome2@yahoogroups.co.uk).
But, I am certain most of us will think Nova Roma is more than just that. We are in essence a re-creation (resurrection) of a Roman Society. With the express purpose to eventually acquire land to serve as a capital. The Declaration of Nova Roma states (http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/declaration_novaroma.html) that it is our purpose to acquire at least 108 acres of land. This land will be sufficient to develop a Forum, Administrative Offices and Temples to serve the Gods. It is our intent that we will be able to develop that land and with that bring back to the world the lighted candle that was once held by the ancients.
Til that time, Nova Roma has taken the steps to develop administrative (magisterial) offices along the lines of the ancients (during the Republic). Established the Senate and Comitia's and, in what I believe is the most important step...is that we have begin the steps to resurrect the Religio Romana and appoint knowledgable citizens whose duty is to re-establish the contact the ancients had with the Gods of Rome. In addition to those important steps Nova Roma has taken other positive steps as well, such has the establishement of Sodalitas, for the express realization that there are citizens who are not interested in politics, we now have separate lists that only deal with specific subjects (Military studies, culture, Cooking and drinking, Religio Romana studies).
I hope this answers your question. If anything is unclear please feel free to respond and I will do my best to clarify any ambiguity.
Sincerely,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Senator
----- Original Message -----
From: jachthondus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:01 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman History.
Dear NOVA-ROMA-People,
Having been a member of your Group for some time now, (and reading
seriously most of your daily-messages), I can't help to gradually
getting more-and-more "confused", (maybe because of my lack-of-
knowledge)!
On one side I got nearly be drowned in a sea-of-Latin-names-of
Persons/Members); plus an overwhelming-abundance of Latin-Civil-
Servants like Consuls, Praetors, Censors etc.; and many "greetings"
like "Salve" etc. And talkings about "Elections" what-ever...
My humble-question is:
Could You be so kind as to explain to me AGAIN the REAL-AIM of Your
Group; as I don't understand, although being an Historian,
specialised in Ancient-Rome...
Kindest regards, Jachthondus.
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: test / two upcoming movies to look forward to! |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 04:00:50 -0000 |
|
G. Iulius Scaurus Caesariensi salutem dicit
Salve, Caesariensis.
> Aaargh! The most salient point about Boudicca is that she /was/ a
'macho lover'. >Ironically, they are repeating exactly the same
misconception of relegating her to little >woman status that caused
the rebellion in the first place. Her husband had his own >treaty from
his own people but he was only her consort. Very likely Rome knew that
>but found pretending not to a good excuse to try and extend further
North.
I don't understand why you are claiming that Prasutagus was merely
Boudicca's consort. The best evidence suggests that, while women
could rule (most often in the absence of direct male heirs), late Iron
Age British society was patriarchal and tribes were usually ruled by
men (viz. Barry Cunliffe's _Iron Age Communities in Britain_), and the
modest numismatic evidence supports this contention (viz. John
Creighton's _Coins and Power in Late Iron Age Britain_). The account
of the revolt in Tacitus' _Annales_ -- "Rex Icenorum Prasutagus, longa
opulentia clarus, Caesarem heredem duasque filias scripserat, tali
obsequio ratus regnumque et domum suam procul iniuria fore" --
indicates that Prasutagus willed his kingdom to both the emperor and
his two daughters; his _daughters_ became queens of the Iceni by the
will, and the power of Boudicca probably arose from guardianship of
the heirs in tribal law. The case of Cartimandua of the Brigantes is
very like that of Prasutagus' daughters -- she inherited in the
absence of a male heir -- not Boudicca's. The words "heredem
scripserat" indicate that Prasutagus wrote a will in the Roman sense
(and that is evidence of a level of Romanisation that seems to have
been relatively among British client kings in the south). The pretext
for the procurator to despoil Prasutagus's heirs was the fact that
under Roman law a woman could not exercise tutela over heirs (this was
reinforced by the Senatus consultum Velleianum in 46 CE) and the
emperor, by virtue of being the other heir, could assume tutela over
Prasutagus's daughters, which thereby gave him absolute power over the
entire inheritance. With that legal nicety Decianus Catus could do
whatever he pleased with the emperor's authority -- with disasterous
consequences.
Vale.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Roman Ball Games |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 06:38:35 -0000 |
|
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
Avete, Quirites.
Here's a link to "Roman Ball Games":
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/romeball.html
The site is a creation of Dr. Wladyslaw Kowalski, a Research Associate
at the Department of Architectural Engineering, Pennsylvania State
University, who has also created "Roman Board Games" site:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/roma/rbgames.html
Valete, Quirites.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman History |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 09:41:07 +0200 |
|
Ok all, the below is an invite to the NR meeting that I have in Gallia every
2 months and the link to gens Moravia in case Jachthondus needs a Gens :-)
Beste Jachthondus,
Wij zullen een klein NR vergadering hebben op 25 mei in Tongeren België. U
bent altijd welkom om binnen te springen! Meestals hebben wij slechts 5 of 7
personen. Wij drinken een paar consumpties en chatten een beetje. Dus u moet
niks doen behalve uw glimlach brengen :-) En over een pintje of een cola, ik
kan u zeker een uitlegging geven over Nova Roma en de functies van de
verschillende mensen.
Ik ben ook antwoordelijk voor de Pagan Federatie in België dus de NR
vergadering is in samenwerking met de PF. U kunt de details vinden over de
vergadering op mijn Pagan Federation webstek. Voor informatie in het
Nederlands, http://www24.brinkster.com/paganfedbe/index.html en daarna click
'Open Activities".
Als u wilt een bewoner worden binnen Nova Roma, en ben opzoek voor een Gens,
u bent altijd welkom in mijn gens (Gens Moravia). 3 van onze 6 bewoners zijn
vanuit Vlaanderen. U kunt meer informatie over ons vinden op
http://www.gensmorvia.org
Groetjes,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis
http://www.gensmoravia.org
Salve everyone,
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Something Silly |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br> |
| Date: |
11 May 2003 08:51:40 -0300 |
|
> >
> > Most of the Catholic saints are former gods. Bride/Brigitte whom
> > Patrick refused to marry but became a nun instead is still as
> > venerated as when she was Brighid and Paddy unheard of, (Love to
> > know what motivated that tale), but turning Mary into the Goddess
> > just conflicts too much with the Church's insistance that the whole
> > thing is historical.
>
> Please forgive me, Caesariensis; but I think that you are
> exaggerating a little bit there. *Some* Catholic saints are former
> Gods. Most Catholic saints are divinized dead people.
>
Which are given the atributes of a former God and are celebrated the day
of the major celebration of the former God.
Of course this is only true of the saints from antiquity/early middle
age which represent a minority of saints, but are also the most
worshipped saints.
> As for Mary being equated to Jesus, that would transform the Trinity
> into a Quartet... The Fab Four or something like that :-).
>
> (Once again, no offence meant :-) ).
>
> > You end up with two divine incarnations and they have already run
> > into the complication that for Jesus to be immaculate, Mary must be
> > too and for her, so must her mother St. Anne and the thing is never-
> > ending.
>
> The funniest thing is that it all comes from a translation mistake.
> Hieronimus (the translator of the "Vulgata") translated the Greek
> word "parthenos" (maiden, young woman; probably a virgin, but not
> necessarily so) into the Latin word "virgo" (virgin).
>
> That's probably one of the most important translation mistakes in
> History :-).
>
This is not necessarely a translation "mistake". The virgin born saviour
is a common myth of humanity, present in most religions. This always
good propaganda.
Manius Villius Limitanus
> > I've always understood Christian Wicca to be a Wicca that accepts
> > Jesus as a historical Great Initiate teaching a truer understanding
> > of a god beyond gods than roaring old Jehovah. Less Wicca inside
> > Christianity than Jesus as witch.
>
> I have the feeling that anyone seriously considering that option will
> be immediately labeled as "heretic" by the Catholic Curch.
>
> > It doesn't do a lot for the Wicca and completely undermines
> > orthodox Christian belief. Jehovah's witnesses who see Jesus as the
> > Archangel Michael and Muslimms, for whom he is the 2nd Great
> > Prophet might go along but I doubt it.
>
> I think that none of those two groups sees magic (and thus Wicca)
> under a favourable light.
>
> CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
--
Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Uncoming Events |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 11:57:28 -0000 |
|
Salve Illustrus Paulinus,
thank you very much for your help, in the official website you can
find other informations about the Rally in Italy and I'll send you
other news.
Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> I just placed an article in the May Eagle on the Rally in Italy set
for August 1-3 2003
>
> If anybody has any other events, for the next several months , I
would like to post them as well
>
> Please send them ASAP
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> Fortuna Favet Fortibus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Roman History |
| From: |
"jachthondus" <rompy@xs4all.nl> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 12:33:36 -0000 |
|
Dear NOVA-ROMA-Friends,
In the first place I want to thank All-of-You for your kindness,
together with Your answers/comments on my "delicate question"!
You certainly did help me to understand Your Group much better; like
You, (on Your turn), seem to have understood My-Personal-approachment
to Roman-History also!
No, I am not looking/longing for some STATE, where one could live
together under the most-ideal Roman-rules-and-laws,as I am a Musician
next to an Historian; and my Musician-ship would make me to
a "Dissident" anyway, in what-ever Community, I fear!...
Nero would have "loved me" without doubts; but I would have been
so "wise" as to shut my mouth, and JUST make MUSIC together with him!
(Why should one discuss items outside of one's own circle-of-Friends?
Greetings to You-All, from Jachthondus.
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Away for two trips |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 17:15:02 +0200 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
I am going to Berlin for a few days (14th of May to 18th of May) and
less then 14 days later (31th of May to 8th of May) I am going to
Rhodes and then there are a month of exams to work with. This will
mean that I will be ockupied or busy for parts of this month. I hope
that it will not be too inconvenient to all Quirites. ;-)
By the way, a late Congratulation to Illustrus Senator Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix!
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Away for two trips |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 15:24:10 -0000 |
|
Salve Consul Fabi Quintiliane,
Have a safe and happy trip! All the best.
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> I am going to Berlin for a few days (14th of May to 18th of May)
and
> less then 14 days later (31th of May to 8th of May) I am going to
> Rhodes and then there are a month of exams to work with. This will
> mean that I will be ockupied or busy for parts of this month. I
hope
> that it will not be too inconvenient to all Quirites. ;-)
>
> By the way, a late Congratulation to Illustrus Senator Lucius
> Cornelius Sulla Felix!
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Away for two trips |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 09:17:28 -0700 |
|
Ave,
Thank you very much Consul. Good luck on your trips.
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Titus Labienus Fortunatus ; Conclavis Praeparatio Cohors Consulis
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Away for two trips
Salvete Quirites!
I am going to Berlin for a few days (14th of May to 18th of May) and
less then 14 days later (31th of May to 8th of May) I am going to
Rhodes and then there are a month of exams to work with. This will
mean that I will be ockupied or busy for parts of this month. I hope
that it will not be too inconvenient to all Quirites. ;-)
By the way, a late Congratulation to Illustrus Senator Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix!
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] [Fwd: Roman Female Gladiator Pictures] |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 18:21:46 +0200 |
|
Salvete, omnes.
I received this to the webmaster-addy. Feel free to encourage him. :)
Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] [Fwd: Roman Female Gladiator Pictures] |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 18:23:51 +0200 |
|
Kristoffer From wrote:
> I received this to the webmaster-addy.
> Feel free to encourage him. :)
Salvete, omnes.
*mutters about Yahoo* Message below.
Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
-------------
henrique.romana @ netcabo.pt wrote:
> Hi!
> Soon i will do a Tattoo with a Roman
> Female Gladiator. The problem is that
> i dont have any nice picture of such
> character in order to show to my tattooer.
> Please, if you have any good picture/image
> could you send it to me I would be very
> thankful!
> Best Regards,
> Henrique Romana
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: [Conclavis_Praeparatio_Cohors_Consulis] Away for two trips |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 08:42:57 -0400 |
|
On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 05:15:02PM +0200, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
Salve, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus!
> I am going to Berlin for a few days (14th of May to 18th of May) and
> less then 14 days later (31th of May to 8th of May) I am going to
> Rhodes and then there are a month of exams to work with. This will
> mean that I will be ockupied or busy for parts of this month. I hope
> that it will not be too inconvenient to all Quirites. ;-)
For the moment, I can only envy you; my sailing plans include the Med
(and perhaps an exploration of Germany via the canals), but that's
pretty far off in the future. Enjoy your trip!
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Caelum, non animum mutant, qui trans mare currunt.
The sky, and not his soul, changes the one who runs across the sea.
-- Horace, "Epistulae"
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Our Scipio |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 20:52:47 +0200 |
|
Salvete Amici!
I have contacted our Scipio and I got this answer. So my friends
let's just pray to Goddess Fortuna and he will soon be back. ;-)
"Salve Amice,
I am still alive and mostly well!!
As I have said one month ago, I was not available for a while. My job
is doing fine but
the process to find an apartment in Paris is long and difficult.
Furthermore, my family
is still in Frankfurt and they will stay overthere until I find something.
My back is not doing well, I will see an expert on Monday. It seems
that I will need a
surgery.
For the time being, do not expect much from me. I am very sorry for
the inconvenience. Be
sure that I will come back as soon as possible.
I am very pleased and honored for your support!!
Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio"
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Fw: [Explorator] Explorator 6.2 |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 14:28:10 -0700 |
|
Forward.
Vale,
Sulla
___
> ================================================================
> explorator 6.2 May 11, 2003
> ================================================================
> Editor's note: Depending on your mail software, some urls may
> wrap (especially those from the Telegraph) which will require
> you to rebuild the url at your end; if you get a 'file not
> found', check to see if the url wrapped on you. Most urls should
> be active for at least eight hours from the time of publication.
>
> For your computer's protection, Explorator is sent in plain text
> and NEVER has attachments. Be suspicious of any Explorator which
> arrives otherwise!!!
> ================================================================
> ================================================================
>
> Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Michael Oberndorf, Keith Armstrong,
> Joseph Lauer, Trevor Watkins, Luke Kirkwood, Louis A. Okin, Susan Jaslow,
Shiela Winchester, Helena Jaeschke,Hernan Astudillo, Mike Ruggeri, Yonatan
Nadelman, John McMahon,Mark Elliott, Leanne Archer, W. Richard Frahm, Dave
Sowdon, and Paul Cowie for headses
> upses this week (as always hoping I have left no one out)
>
> n.b. 1: This week I had to use a number of email programs as I
> was trying to figure out an email problem I was having (turned out
> to be my anti-spam program); as a result, I may unintentionally
> have left out a 'heads up' acknowledgement.
>
> n.b. 2: Happy Mothers Day to all the mothers out there, redneck
> and otherwise!
>
> ================================================================
> ================================================================
> AFRICA, EUROPE, AND ASIA
> ================================================================
> Fungus is threatening the petroglyphs at Lascaux (is this really
> news?):
>
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110003457
>
> The Sorbonne will continue its dig in the Sinai:
>
> http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html9/o080523n.htm
>
> A Thracian gold wreath is on display in Sofia:
>
> http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=22244
>
> ... and excitement is building about a pending dig in the
> Halka Bunar area:
>
> http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=22202
>
> Athens new subway turned up piles of artifacts:
>
>
http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=13011&m=A06&aa=1&eidos=S
>
> A rather ornate Roman bridge once spanned the Tyne, it appears:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bhho
>
> The vikings were apparently responsible for introducing ironing to
Scotland (evil!):
>
> http://tinyurl.com/b2j4
>
> The latest on the Ayodhya dig:
>
>
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?msid=45593923
>
> ================================================================
> THE AMERICAS
> ================================================================
> Archaeologists believe they have found the site of Werewocomoco,
> which, of course, is getting much press attention as the village
> whence came Pocahontas and/or her father:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/07/national/07INDI.html
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3009217.stm
> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-05/cowa-so1050603.php
> http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=6&aid=D7QSBQP80_story
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/08/MN224987.DTL
>
http://www.sunspot.net/bal-te.powhatan07may07,0,6063582.story?coll=bal-home-headlines
>
> Drought in Arizona has helped to reveal a Salado site:
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/907855.asp
> http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/2003/may/05/050509544.html
>
> The Peoria Journal Star has a feature on the Tampica Mounds:
>
> http://www.pjstar.com/news/topnews/g172585a.html
>
> The reburial of a child who was a slave has some interesting reading:
>
> http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2003/05_09-07/TOP
>
> A rural slave jail from Kentucky will be part of the National
> Underground Railroad Freedom Center:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/06/national/06SLAV.html
> ================================================================
> ALSO OF INTEREST
> ================================================================
> An item of interest (perhaps) to those who research the Etruscans:
>
>
http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200305061148-0087-RT1-SST-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
>
> It's National Archaeology Week down under (or up over, depending
> on your point of view -- nice poster for art teachers who want
> an example of rhythm):
>
> http://www.archaeologyweek.com/
>
> John Kluge has just given the humanities a huge shot in the arm
> (and/or pocketbook):
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/national/08KLUG.html
>
> Some news on the efforts to repair the bulge in Temple Mount:
>
>
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull%26cid=1052362483494
>
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1052362486494
>
> Ha'aretz has an interview with Israel Finkelstein:
>
>
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=291264&contrassID=2&subContrassID=14&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
>
> ... and the Washington Post has an interview with underwater
> archaeologist Susan Langley:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27364-2003May7.html
>
> The Lindisfarne Gospels are returning to Holy Island, sort of:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/tyne/3017903.stm
>
> A pair of Romanian astronomers claim to have pinpointed the exact
> time of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection:
>
> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_778195.html
>
> Oetzi is now claimed to be a "Stone Age Rambo":
>
> http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,949144,00.html
>
> Another 'let's look for Viking DNA in the UK' research project
> is underway:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bhfo
>
> Mystery stone faces in Massachusetts:
>
>
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/130/region/Ancient_artwork_or_modern_hoax:.shtml
>
> A large number of Aborigine remains were repatriated this week:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2637861,00.html
>
> First UK Education Secretary Charles Clarke was denigrating Classics;
> now he's turned to medievalists (nice list of the degrees held by
> cabinet members in this one):
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/3014423.stm
> http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publicservices/story/0,11032,953166,00.html
> cf: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9115,953113,00.html
>
> The UK's Channel 4 caused a bit of controversy this week when it
> used the Uffington Horse as a sort of publicity stunt to
> advertise 'Big Brother':
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3000243.stm
> http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,949147,00.html (interesting
neologism in this one)
> ================================================================
> MAGAZINES AND JOURNALS
> ================================================================
> Ancient Egypt Magazine:
>
> http://www.ancientegyptmagazine.com/issue17.htm
>
> Antiquity 77 (March 2003):
>
> http://antiquity.ac.uk/CurrentIssue/currentindex.html (TOC only)
>
> Arethusa 36.1 (Winter 2003):
>
> http://www.press.jhu.edu/journals/arethusa/toc/are36.1.html
(abstracts/MUSE)
>
> Bulletin of the History of Medicine 77.1 (Spring 2003)
>
>
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/bulletin_of_the_history_of_medicine/toc/bhm77.1.html
(abstracts/MUSE)
>
> Cambridge Archaeological Journal 12.2 (October 2002):
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bhez (abstracts)
>
> Classical Quarterly 52.2 (December 2002):
>
> http://www3.oup.co.uk/clquaj/current/ (TOCS and claimed abstracts)
>
> Greece and Rome 50.1 (April 2003):
>
> http://www3.oup.co.uk/gromej/current/ (TOCS and claimed abstracts)
>
> Kadmos 41 (2002):
>
> http://www.degruyter.de/journals/kadmos/kadmos41.pdf (TOC)
>
> Minerva (May/June 2003):
>
> http://www.minervamagazine.com/ (scroll down for the new content)
>
> Mnemosyne 56.2 (March 2003):
>
>
http://gessler.ingentaselect.com/vl=11601038/cl=40/nw=1/rpsv/cw/brill/00267074/v56n2/contp1-1.htm
(TOC/abstracts)
>
> Papers from the Institute of Archaeology 13 (2002):
>
> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/archaeology/pia/cvol.html (TOC/abstracts)
>
> TAPA 131.1-2 (Autumn, 2002):
>
>
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/transactions_of_the_american_philological_association/toc/apa132.1.html
(abstracts/MUSE)
> ================================================================
> ON THE WEB
> ================================================================
> Richard Benkin, "The Modern Destruction of Temple Mount":
>
> http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Modern_Destruction.htm
>
> Charles Isbell, "More Comments on the Davies-Dever Exchange":
>
> http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/More_comments.htm
>
> The James Ossuary is the subject of a Skeptical Inquirer article:
>
> http://www.csicop.org/si/2003-03/bonebox.html
> ================================================================
> NEW ONLINE BOOKS
> ================================================================
> The Characters of Theophrastus (trans. Jebb.):
>
> http://www.eudaemonist.com/biblion/characters/
> ================================================================
> CRIME BEAT
> ================================================================
> One of the steles at the centre of the Shultz case was returned
> to Egypt this week:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/international/middleeast/08ARTI.html
>
> ... along with other items:
>
> http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html9/o100523o.htm
>
> Egyptian police seized close to two hundred 'Islamic dynasty'
> coins this week:
>
> http://web.latercera.cl/lt/Articulo/0,4293,3255_5726_31065213,00.html
> (article in Spanish)
> ================================================================
> AT ABOUT.COM
> ================================================================
> Ancient History Guide N.S. Gill has a feature on the Circus Maximus:
>
> http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa030903a.htm
>
> Archaeology Guide Kris Hirst has a review of Robert F. Boszhardt's *Deep
Cave Art in the Upper Mississippi Valley*:
>
> http://archaeology.about.com/cs/rockart/a/deepcaveart.htm
> ================================================================
> BOOK REVIEWS
> ================================================================
> Adam Nicolson, *God's Secretaries: The Making of the King James
> Bible*:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/books/08MASL.html
> ================================================================
> EXHIBITIONS
> ================================================================
> Art of the First Cities: The Third Millennium From the
> Mediterranean to the Indus:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/09/arts/09KIMM.html
> ================================================================
> CLASSICIST'S CORNER
> ================================================================
> Another Bogdanos-has-a-classics-degree piece:
>
>
http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=38687§ion=NEWS&subsection=AMERICA_AT_WAR&year=2003&month=5&day=11
>
> An interesting double major:
>
>
http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2003/05/11ky/met-5-uk05110-7494.html
>
> Political comments from an LSU classics prof:
>
> http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/index.ssf?/base/news-0/105263430749480.xml
>
> I'm not sure whether this opinion piece is endorsing Classics or not:
>
> http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/opinion/5817958.htm
>
> Cambridge appears to know how to do fundraising for Classics:
>
> http://w3.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge/story.asp?StoryID=18962
>
> Anyone else find this choice of commencement speaker strange? (not
> Panetta ... scroll down to the person talking to the ancient
> history types):
>
> http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~1726~1380260,00.html
>
> Hmmm ... didn't we see this as the future of Classics a decade ago?:
>
> http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/05.08/19-nagy.html
>
> There's a shortage of Latin teachers in Texas:
>
> http://web.dailytimes.com/story.lasso?wcd=5705
>
> Peter Jones:
>
>
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2003-05-10&id=3087
>
> Akropolis News in Classical Greek:
> http://www.akwn.net/
>
> Radio Finland's Nuntii Latini
> http://www.yle.fi/fbc/latini/trans.html
>
> Radio Bremen's Der Monatsrückblick - auf Latein
http://www.radiobremen.de/online/latein/
>
> U.S. Weather in Latin:
> http://latin.wunderground.com/
>
> ================================================================
> OBITUARIES
> ================================================================
> Edward A. Dowey (Theologian):
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/obituaries/08DOWE.html
>
> Geoffrey S. Kirk (Classicist):
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,949461,00.html
> ================================================================
> REPEATS
> ================================================================
> Earliest Writing:
>
> http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_5-5-2003_pg6_18
>
> Language Follows the Plough:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/06/science/06LANG.html
> http://www.iht.com/articles/95527.html
>
> Mummy of Ramses I Returned:
>
> http://web.latercera.cl/lt/Articulo/0,4293,3255_5726_30716564,00.html
(Spanish)
>
> ================================================================
> IRAQ
> ================================================================
> The interesting story this week (and not purely of archaeological
> interest) was what was found during the search for a seventh century copy
of the Talmud:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/07/international/worldspecial/07FIND.html
>
> More reports that artifacts were actually safely stored away
> prior to the conflict:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/06/international/worldspecial/06MUSE.html
> http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=528232003
>
> ... but also more reports that we might not ever know how much
> was actually stolen:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/arts/entertainment-iraq-usa-exhibit.html
>
> ... and also more reports about organized gangs doing the
> looting:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Iraq-Looted-Art.html
>
> More reports on things being recovered (although we aren't getting news of
'specifics', other than 'only 38 articles are
> missing'):
>
> http://wcbs880.com/siteSearch/terror_story_118164331.html
> (somewhat out of date)
> http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2700378
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/international/worldspecial/08CUST.html
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/07/sprj.nilaw.iraqi.artifacts/
>
> The St. Louis Post-Dispatch seems skeptical of lots of things (I think
> they mean 'eludes' in the headline, though):
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bhhe
>
> ... and more reports that Marines and the officials of the
> Baghdad museum just can't seem to get along:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,950071,00.html
>
> The New York Times had a nice piece on the illicit antiquities
> trade in the region:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/05/international/worldspecial/05LOOT.html
>
> The opinion pieces continue:
>
> http://www.edinburghnews.com/opinion.cfm?id=526652003
> http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/637/op11.htm
>
> Francis Deblauwe's 'Iraq War and Archaeology' site:
>
> http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/fdeblauwe/iraq.html
>
> ================================================================
> OTHER SOURCES OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL NEWS
> ================================================================
> Archaeologica:
>
> http://www.archaeologica.org/NewsPage.htm
>
> Archaeology Magazine's Newsbriefs:
>
> http://www.archaeology.org/magazine.php?page=0305/newsbriefs/index
>
> Bible and Interpretation Breaking News:
>
> http://www.bibleinterp.com/news.htm
>
> CBA Newsfeed:
>
> http://www.britarch.ac.uk/newsfeed/index.html
>
> CBA Archaeolblog:
>
> http://www.britarch.ac.uk/archaeoblog/
>
> Michael Ruggeri's Ancient America and Mesoamerica News:
>
>
http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!35!F6!26C030D734B7/Topiltzin-2091/AncientAmericaand/
>
> Mirabilis.ca (blog):
>
> http://www.mirabilis.ca/archives/cat_history_archeology.html
>
> Texas A&M Anthropology News Site:
>
> http://www.tamu.edu/anthropology/news.html
>
> ================================================================
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Something Silly |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 21:48:47 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date : 11 May 2003 01:49:38
>
>
>Please forgive me, Caesariensis; but I think that you are
>exaggerating a little bit there. *Some* Catholic saints are former
>Gods. Most Catholic saints are divinized dead people.
>
Well yes, and tha maybe why the present Pope is so anxious to canonise even more of them. Just because Rome ruled that all the really popular ones never existed hasn't stopped anyone from invoking them.
>
>The funniest thing is that it all comes from a translation mistake.
>Hieronimus (the translator of the “Vulgata“) translated the Greek
>word “parthenos“ (maiden, young woman; probably a virgin, but not
>necessarily so) into the Latin word “virgo“ (virgin).
>
I'm not at all sure that every Virgo was necessarily Intacta either! In fact I rather think not since that would imply no need to specify Intacta. The translation of Almah into Parthenos is even less likely and the worst of it is that Isaiah was almost certainly referring to a girl his king had just married and ensured the succession.
>I have the feeling that anyone seriously considering that option will
>be immediately labeled as “heretic“ by the Catholic Curch.
>
Luckily, Wiccans are more tolerant than Catholics, though it's remarkable how tolerant Jesuits can become of traditional belilefs, especially when they find American Evangelicals muscling in! For some odd reason there has been more liking for Catholics than other sects with Wiccans, a sort of feeling that they may have got it wrong but at least they've got it. And Mary helps of course.
I came out quite alien to how I feel, though the Roman gods came near the top. I used to be Wiccan but over the years I've drifted more to support Thelema and Gnosticism.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Something Silly |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 21:49:02 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date : 11 May 2003 01:49:38
>
>
>Please forgive me, Caesariensis; but I think that you are
>exaggerating a little bit there. *Some* Catholic saints are former
>Gods. Most Catholic saints are divinized dead people.
>
Well yes, and tha maybe why the present Pope is so anxious to canonise even more of them. Just because Rome ruled that all the really popular ones never existed hasn't stopped anyone from invoking them.
>
>The funniest thing is that it all comes from a translation mistake.
>Hieronimus (the translator of the “Vulgata“) translated the Greek
>word “parthenos“ (maiden, young woman; probably a virgin, but not
>necessarily so) into the Latin word “virgo“ (virgin).
>
I'm not at all sure that every Virgo was necessarily Intacta either! In fact I rather think not since that would imply no need to specify Intacta. The translation of Almah into Parthenos is even less likely and the worst of it is that Isaiah was almost certainly referring to a girl his king had just married and ensured the succession.
>I have the feeling that anyone seriously considering that option will
>be immediately labeled as “heretic“ by the Catholic Curch.
>
Luckily, Wiccans are more tolerant than Catholics, though it's remarkable how tolerant Jesuits can become of traditional belilefs, especially when they find American Evangelicals muscling in! For some odd reason there has been more liking for Catholics than other sects with Wiccans, a sort of feeling that they may have got it wrong but at least they've got it. And Mary helps of course.
I came out quite alien to how I feel, though the Roman gods came near the top. I used to be Wiccan but over the years I've drifted more to support Thelema and Gnosticism.
Caesariensis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: test / two upcoming movies to look forward to! |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 22:01:42 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : Gregory Rose <gfr@intcon.net>
Date : 11 May 2003 05:00:50
>
>I don't understand why you are claiming that Prasutagus was merely
>Boudicca's consort. The best evidence suggests that, while women
>could rule (most often in the absence of direct male heirs), late Iron
>Age British society was patriarchal and tribes were usually ruled by
>men (viz. Barry Cunliffe's _Iron Age Communities in Britain_), and the
Usually but not necessarily invariably. The Picti appear to have been matrilineal. What Is usually suggested is that Prasutagas came of a patriarchal tribe, but Boudicca's Iceni were matriarchal one since she is the one in direct succession and he the stranger. So he had no authority within tribal law to will anything anywhere. That is the start of the clash.
Caesariensis.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Away for two trips |
| From: |
lanius117@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 May 2003 18:55:41 EDT |
|
Salve, Consul
Just a quick note before you leave - did you receive my email dated May 6
about participating in the outreach program?
Vale,
G. Lanius Falco
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