| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] L Cornelius' Unsubscription |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 23:28:33 -0000 |
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G. Iulius Scaurus L. Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit.
Salve, L. Corneli.
First let me apologise for having just sent this without the text. As
earlier, I hit the wrong damned key. However, I think I've found
something which may account for your unsubscription. In message 10488
C. Minucius Scarvola wrote:
"You - and I specifically mean you and Sulla, and do not include Diana -
have chosen to attack people who have done nothing more than work for
Nova Roma and who do not have the power to promulgate laws, etc.; the
Consul does, but he is clearly entirely too fearsome for you to approach
directly. I suggest gathering what you can of your courage and
addressing him with whatever issues you have - I've been reliably
informed that he does not bite. Really, it's safe."
However, in your reply in message 10490 the copy of C. Minucius'
original posting has an additional line:
"You - and I specifically mean you and Sulla, and do not include Diana -
have chosen to attack people who have done nothing more than work for
Nova Roma and who do not have the power to promulgate laws, etc.; the
Consul does, but he is clearly entirely too fearsome for you to approach
directly. I suggest gathering what you can of your courage and
addressing him with whatever issues you have - I've been reliably
informed that he does not bite. Really, it's safe.
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com"
I have no idea how how that extra line came into the text, but if you
accidently clicked on it, it would unsubscribe you.
Vale.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] L Cornelius' Unsubscription |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 17:21:12 -0700 |
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Ave,
I did not believe I clicked on the link. Becuase it would have generated a new email and I would have had to send it off. I checked my work computer and there was not a new email that was addressed to that address.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Rose
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:28 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] L Cornelius' Unsubscription
G. Iulius Scaurus L. Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit.
Salve, L. Corneli.
First let me apologise for having just sent this without the text. As
earlier, I hit the wrong damned key. However, I think I've found
something which may account for your unsubscription. In message 10488
C. Minucius Scarvola wrote:
"You - and I specifically mean you and Sulla, and do not include Diana -
have chosen to attack people who have done nothing more than work for
Nova Roma and who do not have the power to promulgate laws, etc.; the
Consul does, but he is clearly entirely too fearsome for you to approach
directly. I suggest gathering what you can of your courage and
addressing him with whatever issues you have - I've been reliably
informed that he does not bite. Really, it's safe."
However, in your reply in message 10490 the copy of C. Minucius'
original posting has an additional line:
"You - and I specifically mean you and Sulla, and do not include Diana -
have chosen to attack people who have done nothing more than work for
Nova Roma and who do not have the power to promulgate laws, etc.; the
Consul does, but he is clearly entirely too fearsome for you to approach
directly. I suggest gathering what you can of your courage and
addressing him with whatever issues you have - I've been reliably
informed that he does not bite. Really, it's safe.
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com"
I have no idea how how that extra line came into the text, but if you
accidently clicked on it, it would unsubscribe you.
Vale.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 17:27:34 -0700 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:17 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis
Salvete Quirites; et salve, senator Sulla.
Just one more comment...
Ave Praetor,
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
<<snipped>>
> Sulla: Interesting, he has summoned the Senate twice and has
> summoned the Comitia once (for a runoff), where is this overburden
> of work? Last year when I was Consul I managed perfectly well with
> 1 Consular Quaestor, 1 Religious Advisor, 3 staff members. By this
> time last year every month (in which I had the fasces) had a
> comitia summons and nearly every month had a Senate summons as
> well. By this time last year about half of my laws were
> promulgated. So, I guess my question is, given my experience in
> being Consul (last year) what has changed between then and now to
> justify the huge staffing requirements?
You seem to imply that the number of laws and senatusconsulta issued
by a consul is the only way to measure a consul's effectiveness.
Sulla: It is a certainly visible and quantifable means to judge the action of a Consul. Anything done behind the scenes is just that.
I must say that I do not agree with that concept: to me, the *quality*
of what is done is extremely important. And a consul has other duties
beyond issuing laws and edicts.
Sulla: LOL yes I am aware being Consul two times. However, one of the main jobs a Consul has is to promulgate laws and summon the Senate, since we do not have the ability make our mark via military means.
Besides that, I do remember how "constructive" your last consulship
was.
Sulla: So do I. Just becuase there is conflict does not mean that it cannot be constructive. I was very pleased about the number of laws I was able to promulgate.
> Sulla: Yes, but one of the many ways to counter volunteer fatigue
> is to have leadership and to lead by example. To date that is
> seriously lacking. What exactly has Consul Caeso Fabius done to
> show that he has lead Nova Roma as Consul? Where are the laws that
> he stated in his campaign he would promulgate? All we are getting
> to date is teased and diddled by his staff members, and there is
> noting to prevent us from coming to the conclusion that they know
> more about what is going on than the Senior Consul who has remained
> silent throughout this entire exchange, in addition when he does
> seem to have the fasces he gets called away on trips.
The senior consul has remained silent throughout this entire exchange
because, as he has announced on this very same list, he is not at
home.
Sulla: Right, I believe I pointed that out later in my post that nearly every time he has the fasces he has to leave his home.
Not everyone has all the time you devote to writing to this
mailing list, senator :-).
Sulla: Thats so true. ;)
As for leadership, I would say that
Quintillianus can barely be accused of lacking that, given that he
has convinced twenty-five people to devote their free time to Nova
Roma.
Sulla: That in does not mean anything. I seem to recall that last year as Governor he had to fire 3 people for lack of effort. I am curious to know how many people out of the 25 are actually productive. And how long it will be til we find out that he has to dismiss members of his Nova Byzantium staff for failure to complete assigned tasks.
Perhaps you should wait until the senior consul returns from his trip
so that he can reply to your comments all by himself. I have always
thought that one should not speak about those who are not present to
defend themselves :-).
Sulla: I have seen posts yesterday by our Consul. He has access to the list via individual emails or through the web archieves at Yahoogroups.
Vale,
Sulla
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: L Cornelius' Unsubscription |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 00:53:16 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Rose" <gfr@i...> wrote:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com"
>
> I have no idea how how that extra line came into the text, but if
you
> accidently clicked on it, it would unsubscribe you.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
WOW! I always knew that Yahoo! was about as secure as a revolving
door in a prison, but that is just too easy to unsubscribe someone.
All you'd need to do is forge a from email address and send to that
email address and voila person is unsubscribed since the "bot" at the
receiving end wouldn't know if came from a legit email or not.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 22:01:04 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete
--- "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
escreveu: >
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:17 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius
> Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
>
> <<snipped>>
>
[..]
ASTUR,1:
> You seem to imply that the number of laws and
> senatusconsulta issued
> by a consul is the only way to measure a consul's
> effectiveness.
Sulla,1:
> It is a certainly visible and quantifable
> means to judge the action of a Consul. Anything
> done behind the scenes is just that.
ASTUR,2:
> I must say that I do not agree with that concept:
> to me, the *quality*
> of what is done is extremely important. And a
> consul has other duties
> beyond issuing laws and edicts.
Sulla,2: LOL yes I am aware being Consul two times.
> However, one of the main jobs a Consul has is to
> promulgate laws and summon the Senate, since we do
> not have the ability make our mark via military
> means.
M.Arminius: Well, we can count the laws of the
Tabularium, see how many laws each consulate approved,
and divide by unit of time.
Doing so, we see that Fl.Vedius, Dictator, enacted 10
laws in one month; and that during the 12 months of
consulship of M.Minucius and Q.Fabius, only one law
was approved.
This means that Fl.Vedius was the most efficient
leader, and the consules of year 2753 the worst?
There are laws that has a few lines, and others that
have pages and pages. Perhaps we can start to count
how many lines each law has, to calculate the consular
productivity.
However, i feel that a good law is better than a
hundred badly written, limited or premature laws.
By the way, the year didnt ended yet. There are some
laws being planned. Be patient, please, because it
will take some months more.
[..]
> Vale,
> Sulla
Vale
Marcus Arminius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Concerning the Eagle was Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 21:44:27 -0400 |
|
Salve Senator and thank you for your kind words.
The staff does work very hard and I think it shows.
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
----- Original Message -----
From: <qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:29 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Concerning the Eagle was Re: Voting results. Comitia
plebis tributa
> In a message dated 5/15/03 1:41:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
spqr753@msn.com
> writes:
>
>
> > The Senate, last time I checked, appropriated $877.00 for this years
Eagle.
> > That comes to 87.70 per issue for 10 issues or $73.00 for 12. I will
submit
> > receipts for no more that this amount and just so everybody remembers
how
> > finances in Nova Roma work, you spend and then you get reimbursed.
> >
> >
>
> And I received your latest issue before I left and read it on the plane.
> Well done. I'll be making a donation for 100.00 to the Eagle when I
return.
> I encourage those who can afford to subscribe to do it. It is becoming
less
> about Nova Roma, and more about Rome and Nova Roma, together. Excellent
> concept. And very marketable.
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 21:53:06 -0400 |
|
Salve My dear G. Modius Athanasius
There is a quaestor on the staff of the Eagle but his name escapes me at
this moment. I think you may be right and the CD should have a
Quaestor for next year. Oh I remember his name Tiberius G something or T.G.
Paulinus or some such
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
----- Original Message -----
From: <AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
> In a message dated 5/15/2003 4:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> spqr753@msn.com writes:
>
> > The Senate, last time I checked, appropriated $877.00 for this years
Eagle.
> > That comes to 87.70 per issue for 10 issues or $73.00 for 12. I will
submit
> > receipts for no more that this amount and just so everybody remembers
how
> > finances in Nova Roma work, you spend and then you get reimbursed.
>
> Personally, I think this is a terrible way to finance a publication. The
> Eagle is Nova Roma's publication. It should be publishing it, and not
> requiring one of its citizens to publish it and get reimbursed. Is there
no
> trust?
>
> The Eagle should have a budget that pays for the publishing and the
mailing.
> No one should have to pay for anything out of their pocket. If necessary
> perhaps the Curator Differum needs a quaestor to handle the finances and
> disperse funds.
>
> G. Modius Athanasius
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 19:16:18 -0700 |
|
Sulla,2: LOL yes I am aware being Consul two times.
> However, one of the main jobs a Consul has is to
> promulgate laws and summon the Senate, since we do
> not have the ability make our mark via military
> means.
M.Arminius: Well, we can count the laws of the
Tabularium, see how many laws each consulate approved,
and divide by unit of time.
Doing so, we see that Fl.Vedius, Dictator, enacted 10
laws in one month; and that during the 12 months of
consulship of M.Minucius and Q.Fabius, only one law
was approved.
Sulla: As you probably remember, when Flavius Vedius was appointed as Dictator of Nova Roma, the previous laws and constitution that governed Nova Roma ended. Dictator Flavius Vedius was appointed to rebuild Nova Roma and start from scratch. So, I would say that his output of laws was completely remarkable. But you will want to also note that none of his laws were voted on by the People of Nova Roma. They were Dictatorial edicts that needed to only be ratified by the Senate of Nova Roma. And, with regards to the Consulship of Q. Fabius Maximus and M. Municius Audens, if you will remember back to that time there was a serious problem of having rogators stay in office long enough so that they could conduct elections, if that was not enough Q. Fabius Maximus's sister was almost killed in that car accident and his father died that year. It was quite a tramatic year for him. As for Senator Audens, I believe he had surgery at that time as well. And, as I stated before I do understand life interferences.
This means that Fl.Vedius was the most efficient
leader, and the consules of year 2753 the worst?
Sulla: I would have no problem going on record in saying that Flavius Vedius, as Dictator of Nova Roma was the most efficient Dictator. You will need to make the distinction between a "leader" and a Consul. Because the situation that Dictator Flavius Vedius experienced was something that no Consul ever experienced.
There are laws that has a few lines, and others that
have pages and pages. Perhaps we can start to count
how many lines each law has, to calculate the consular
productivity.
Sulla: There are laws that have a few lines? Or are you referring to Edicta?
However, i feel that a good law is better than a
hundred badly written, limited or premature laws.
Sulla: This is an area we have agreement with. Currently nearly have the year has elapsed and the People currently have not seen anything. I think that we (the People) should at least be shown something so that at least our input can be passed along to the Consul and his staff.
By the way, the year didnt ended yet. There are some
laws being planned. Be patient, please, because it
will take some months more.
Sulla: Right, you and I are in agreement again, the year is not over, its just half way over. To date not a single law has been brought to the People for promulgation let alone review. And, Consul Caeso Fabius's time is running out...or is he going to wait til his last month when we have magisterial elections when our minds are going to be focused on electing new magistrates to slip something by us? Something like this was done last year with the promulgation of the Leges Salicia.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 19:17:29 -0700 |
|
Ave,
Just for clarification this person is not a true Quaestor...voted on by the People of Nova Roma..correct? This person you are referring to is just a scribe you decided to call a Quaestor..correct?
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
Salve My dear G. Modius Athanasius
There is a quaestor on the staff of the Eagle but his name escapes me at
this moment. I think you may be right and the CD should have a
Quaestor for next year. Oh I remember his name Tiberius G something or T.G.
Paulinus or some such
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
----- Original Message -----
From: <AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
> In a message dated 5/15/2003 4:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> spqr753@msn.com writes:
>
> > The Senate, last time I checked, appropriated $877.00 for this years
Eagle.
> > That comes to 87.70 per issue for 10 issues or $73.00 for 12. I will
submit
> > receipts for no more that this amount and just so everybody remembers
how
> > finances in Nova Roma work, you spend and then you get reimbursed.
>
> Personally, I think this is a terrible way to finance a publication. The
> Eagle is Nova Roma's publication. It should be publishing it, and not
> requiring one of its citizens to publish it and get reimbursed. Is there
no
> trust?
>
> The Eagle should have a budget that pays for the publishing and the
mailing.
> No one should have to pay for anything out of their pocket. If necessary
> perhaps the Curator Differum needs a quaestor to handle the finances and
> disperse funds.
>
> G. Modius Athanasius
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] The Quaestor on the Eagle staff |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 22:28:28 -0400 |
|
Salve Senator
It was a joke, in that I am both Curator Differum and the Quaestor for the
Honorable Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.
Vale
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
> Ave,
>
> Just for clarification this person is not a true Quaestor...voted on by
the People of Nova Roma..correct? This person you are referring to is just
a scribe you decided to call a Quaestor..correct?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Gallagher
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
>
>
> Salve My dear G. Modius Athanasius
>
> There is a quaestor on the staff of the Eagle but his name escapes me at
> this moment. I think you may be right and the CD should have a
> Quaestor for next year. Oh I remember his name Tiberius G something or
T.G.
> Paulinus or some such
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
>
>
> > In a message dated 5/15/2003 4:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > spqr753@msn.com writes:
> >
> > > The Senate, last time I checked, appropriated $877.00 for this
years
> Eagle.
> > > That comes to 87.70 per issue for 10 issues or $73.00 for 12. I will
> submit
> > > receipts for no more that this amount and just so everybody
remembers
> how
> > > finances in Nova Roma work, you spend and then you get reimbursed.
> >
> > Personally, I think this is a terrible way to finance a publication.
The
> > Eagle is Nova Roma's publication. It should be publishing it, and not
> > requiring one of its citizens to publish it and get reimbursed. Is
there
> no
> > trust?
> >
> > The Eagle should have a budget that pays for the publishing and the
> mailing.
> > No one should have to pay for anything out of their pocket. If
necessary
> > perhaps the Curator Differum needs a quaestor to handle the finances
and
> > disperse funds.
> >
> > G. Modius Athanasius
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] The Quaestor on the Eagle staff |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 19:41:04 -0700 |
|
LOL Ok. cool :)
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The Quaestor on the Eagle staff
Salve Senator
It was a joke, in that I am both Curator Differum and the Quaestor for the
Honorable Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.
Vale
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
> Ave,
>
> Just for clarification this person is not a true Quaestor...voted on by
the People of Nova Roma..correct? This person you are referring to is just
a scribe you decided to call a Quaestor..correct?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Gallagher
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
>
>
> Salve My dear G. Modius Athanasius
>
> There is a quaestor on the staff of the Eagle but his name escapes me at
> this moment. I think you may be right and the CD should have a
> Quaestor for next year. Oh I remember his name Tiberius G something or
T.G.
> Paulinus or some such
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa
>
>
> > In a message dated 5/15/2003 4:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > spqr753@msn.com writes:
> >
> > > The Senate, last time I checked, appropriated $877.00 for this
years
> Eagle.
> > > That comes to 87.70 per issue for 10 issues or $73.00 for 12. I will
> submit
> > > receipts for no more that this amount and just so everybody
remembers
> how
> > > finances in Nova Roma work, you spend and then you get reimbursed.
> >
> > Personally, I think this is a terrible way to finance a publication.
The
> > Eagle is Nova Roma's publication. It should be publishing it, and not
> > requiring one of its citizens to publish it and get reimbursed. Is
there
> no
> > trust?
> >
> > The Eagle should have a budget that pays for the publishing and the
> mailing.
> > No one should have to pay for anything out of their pocket. If
necessary
> > perhaps the Curator Differum needs a quaestor to handle the finances
and
> > disperse funds.
> >
> > G. Modius Athanasius
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 23:10:54 -0400 |
|
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 05:22:13PM -0400, qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 5/15/03 1:17:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > >> well, not the Consul himself, you don't seem to have enough
> >> grit for that - but targets of opportunity, whom you believe you can
> >> slander without resistance. Think again.
> >
> > The Consul is my Gens mate, you might recall, and he will tell you that if
> > I'm
> > displeased with his performance, I'll let him know. So have no fears
> > there.
If you have no complaints about his performance - and you certainly
cannot have any with regard to the performance of the Cohors, since you
know little or nothing about it - then why the periodic moaning about it
from your clique? Being composed of volunteers, it takes no money out of
anyone's pocket, and suits the Consul's way of working. What possible
problem can you have with it other than the pursuit of a political
agenda aimed at discrediting the work of a good man?
> > No, all I did was support the Tribune when she was criticized by a member
> > of the overbloated organization after speaking out about a topic that we
> > all
> > believe but hadn't spoken about.
"We all", eh? How many people's powers of attorney do you hold that you
speak for a "we all"? I can certainly think of a number of people here
who would find the idea of you speaking for them ridiculous if not
obscene. As to your "supporting the Tribune", it's simply more empty
noise; the Tribune herself had not replied, therefore there's nothing
for you to support. Backpedal, duck, and dodge how you will; as they say
here in the South, "that dog won't hunt."
> > The fact you are all covering your asses here with heated commentary
> > really tells me a lot.
"You are all..."? Hmm. Let me see if I can puzzle out the scenario...
ah, I've got it. Really, there's no such person as Caius Minucius
Scaevola - it's all a cooperative effort among That Evil Group of 25.
They all plot and scheme (images of cloaks, daggers, and flickering
lamplight might be appropriate here) to discredit that poor-but-honest
lad who only wishes to serve the cause of Good, QFM. We could probably
get - oh, who's got that wide-eyed innocent look? - Leonardo DiCaprio to
play you, and... hmm. I suppose some big, evil-looking Russian actor -
Vladimir Episkoposyan? - could probably represent me as The Genius of
Evil.
Do you think anybody will buy it _then?_
> > As for attacks on the organization, you haven't been here that long here
> > have you? You better grow a thicker skin if you intend to remain in
> > politics.
<laugh> My skin is sufficient for all my needs, but thank you for the
concern. I see you have already taken your own advice all the way to the
"hidebound" stage. As to "politics" - odd as this may sound to you, I
have little to no political ambition. I simply find myself in a position
where I can help a man who is honorable, works hard, and - in my opinion
- will do much good for NovaRoma. My distaste for you and Sulla is a
private matter, a subset of my distate for those who destroy what they
would never be capable of building - a mindset I've despised all my
life. Make of that what you will.
> > And consider. This pointless rhetoric is not even close to what real
> > Romans
> > engaged in during the Republic.
<shrug> Your end of it may be pointless. Mine is aimed at raising
brightly colored warning pennants when your distortions are aimed at
damaging NovaRoma. To each his own.
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Homo homini lupus.
Man is man's wolf.
-- Plautus, "Asinaria"
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: L Cornelius' Unsubscription |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 23:27:01 -0400 |
|
On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:53:16AM -0000, quintuscassiuscalvus wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Rose" <gfr@i...> wrote:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > I have no idea how how that extra line came into the text, but if
> you
> > accidently clicked on it, it would unsubscribe you.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > G. Iulius Scaurus
>
> WOW! I always knew that Yahoo! was about as secure as a revolving
> door in a prison, but that is just too easy to unsubscribe someone.
> All you'd need to do is forge a from email address and send to that
> email address and voila person is unsubscribed since the "bot" at the
> receiving end wouldn't know if came from a legit email or not.
I _think_ - it's been a while since I've done this - that Yahoo sends
you a confirmation email that you're supposed to respond to in order to
actually unsubscribe. That's pretty much a standard on mailing lists
(capturing an email directed to someone else is a non-trivial task if
you don't control the receiver's upstream equipment.)
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Dulce bellum inexpertis.
War is sweet for those who haven't experienced it.
-- Pindaros
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa |
| From: |
Diana Moravia Aventina <diana_aventina@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 21:54:37 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete all, I'm in NYC
and on a webtv thing but will find an internet
cafe or a library with internet asap. I didn't
intend to start a controversial discussion and
then just disappear..
Anyway I' ll answer
Scaevola and anyone else that repled to me
asap.In the meantime I can verrrry slowly read
emails but replying is just bloody awful on this
webtv thing. Valete Diana
--- quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>
wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius
> Minucius Scaevola <ben@c...>
> wrote:
>
> > Do those titles take something away from you,
> then? Why such concern
> > about them? From my perspective, the Cohors
> Consulis has done quite
> a
> > lot of work
>
> Ok, then "Where's the beef?" "Maybe its under
> the pickle."
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 05:57:10 -0000 |
|
Salve Diana,
I'm glad you made it safe and sound. That's all that is important for
today. Just get caught up on any jet lag for the next day or two. I'm
getting relieved for my time off on Saturday whence a magarita,
Mexican beer and Turkey Oauxaca in a 5 pepper sauce awaits. I hope
they find a Roman wreck of Yucatan someday so I can make some sort of
excuse to say Rome contacted Mexico and imported some of their
ingreients.
Vale bene,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Moravia Aventina
<diana_aventina@y...> wrote:
> Salvete all, I'm in NYC
> and on a webtv thing but will find an internet
> cafe or a library with internet asap. I didn't
> intend to start a controversial discussion and
> then just disappear..
> Anyway I' ll answer
> Scaevola and anyone else that repled to me
> asap.In the meantime I can verrrry slowly read
> emails but replying is just bloody awful on this
> webtv thing. Valete Diana
>
> --- quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>
> wrote:
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius
> > Minucius Scaevola <ben@c...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Do those titles take something away from you,
> > then? Why such concern
> > > about them? From my perspective, the Cohors
> > Consulis has done quite
> > a
> > > lot of work
> >
> > Ok, then "Where's the beef?" "Maybe its under
> > the pickle."
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> >
> n
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 06:06:23 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, senator Sulla.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
<<snipped>>
M.Arminius: Well, we can count the laws of the Tabularium, see how
many laws each consulate approved, and divide by unit of time.
Doing so, we see that Fl.Vedius, Dictator, enacted 10 laws in one
month; and that during the 12 months of consulship of M.Minucius and
Q.Fabius, only one law was approved.
Sulla: As you probably remember, when Flavius Vedius was appointed
as Dictator of Nova Roma, the previous laws and constitution that
governed Nova Roma ended. Dictator Flavius Vedius was appointed to
rebuild Nova Roma and start from scratch. So, I would say that his
output of laws was completely remarkable. But you will want to also
note that none of his laws were voted on by the People of Nova Roma.
They were Dictatorial edicts that needed to only be ratified by the
Senate of Nova Roma. And, with regards to the Consulship of Q.
Fabius Maximus and M. Municius Audens, if you will remember back to
that time there was a serious problem of having rogators stay in
office long enough so that they could conduct elections, if that was
not enough Q. Fabius Maximus's sister was almost killed in that car
accident and his father died that year. It was quite a tramatic year
for him. As for Senator Audens, I believe he had surgery at that
time as well. And, as I stated before I do understand life
interferences.
Astur: All that is true, senator. And following your own line of
thought, one could say that, just like senator Q. Fabius Maximus in
his last consulship, C. Fabius Qunitillianus has had to face
*exceptional* problems during these last months. One of his students
ran from home into his house, and another one tried to commit
suicide. So, to be fair, you will have to judge C. Fabius
Quintillianus using the same standards you use for Q. Fabius Maximus.
In any way, the sheer number of laws issued is *not* a good way to
measure productivity as a magistrate. As Marcus Arminius has pointed
out, some of our laws are three or four lines long and deal with
simple affairs, while other laws are quite longer and try to handle
complex issues. And even beyond that, our consules have other things
to do.
Sulla: There are laws that have a few lines? Or are you referring to
Edicta?
Astur: I think that Marcus Arminius is speaking about *laws*. A good
example would be:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-09-18-i.html
(Please bear in mind that I do not try to judge a law's quality by
its length. That would be just as wrong as judging a magistrate's
activity by the number of laws issued :-) ).
M. Arminius: By the way, the year didnt ended yet. There are some
laws being planned. Be patient, please, because it will take some
months more.
Sulla: Right, you and I are in agreement again, the year is not over,
its just half way over. To date not a single law has been brought to
the People for promulgation let alone review. And, Consul Caeso
Fabius's time is running out...or is he going to wait til his last
month when we have magisterial elections when our minds are going to
be focused on electing new magistrates to slip something by us?
Something like this was done last year with the promulgation of the
Leges Salicia.
Astur: As for the leges Saliciae, they were presented and proposed to
the Comitia in the month of September, if I recall correctly.
Unfortunately, one of the consules decided to veto anything his
colleague would do for purely partisan reasons, and that delayed
things a little bit. Fortunately, I was able to finally present those
legislative proposal to the Comitia, and they were approved.
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 10:59:38 +0200 |
|
"L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
> Sulla: I have seen posts yesterday by
> our Consul. He has access to the list
> via individual emails or through the
> web archieves at Yahoogroups.
Salve, Luci Corneli Sulla.
Wednesday, the 14th of May as per his original announcement, was the
last day he started off at home. Sometime during the day, he took off to
Rhodes and plan to return by the 18th. Don't mistake this for a pleasure
trip, it is on behalf of his work. During this time, he will in all
likelyhood be much too busy to even consider reading up on his e-mail.
Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] news from Provincia Italia |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 09:44:35 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes,
I give you all two news off-topic from this sad discussions (the
same names attacking about the same poor topics... is this roman?
too words and few actions IMHO)
The first good news is about an article published in a very popular
scientific italian magazine, Focus. In a special about the
citizenship there is a part dedicated to the micro-nations in
Internet. In the list of micro-nations Nova Roma is the first.
This article is giving us a lot of subscriptions from Italy and I
think we have collect in 3 days maybe 20-25 italian citizens (I ask
a confirmation to the Illustres Censores) and now Provincia Italia
have 152 citizens.
For me and my staff (Constantinus Serapio, Iulius Perusianus,
Solaris Draco, Iulia Pulchra, etc.) is a success thinking that when
I was appointed Propraetor in Feb 2002 we have only 65 citizens.
I hope this year we have several people paying the taxes ... LOL ;-)
The second news is not so good. Someone of you know a wonderful
project in Rome, the restaurant Magna Roma, the most important
experiment of original roman cooking. Provincia Italia (especially
Costantinus Serapio) created a close collaboration with Prof.
Nicastro, archeologist and director of teh restaurant. We was
talking about a "good service" for the Nova Romans with a little
reduction in price.
However Serapio received a sad mail from Nicastro saying the
restaurant Magna Roma will close at 31th May. One of the owners
think the project is too expansive.
Several italic citizens are organizing to visit the restaurant
before the closing.
Further informations at www.magnaroma.com
Valete bene
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] A Question, L. Corneli. |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 10:04:28 -0000 |
|
G. Iulius Scaurus L. Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit.
Salve, L. Corneli.
As you know I am relatively new to NR and, therefore, probably blind
to a great deal of subtext here. I have read postings criticising the
senior consul for having a 25person cohors. But I have not yet seen
an explanation of the reason for which this is a bad thing for NR. To
my knowledge the only tangible benefit which accrues to an accensus is
five century points for the year he serves, and those points go away
when the accensus' service ends with his consuls'. I ask you, as a
personal favour, to explain why the size of the cohors matters. I've
seen piss-poor performance in a six-man squad and brilliant efficiency
in a 200-man staff, and then the exact opposite. Bigger is not always
better as bureaucratic inertia or in-fighting can arise. Smaller can
turn an effective force into a shambles by more work than they can
competently do. To borrow a bawdy metaphor: it's not the size, it's
what you do with it. On the face of it size doesn't seem to be a
significant variable. There might even be positive benefits to
introducing junior members of NR to the way things are done at the top
by bringing them into the drafting of legislation under close guidance
or learning to develop a sufficient dermal density to ascend the
cursus honorum. Just getting quite a fe people together to work as a
unit despite their very different cultures and socialisations would
prepare a young accensus to deal with a micronation which numbers
among its members many macronationals. I am genuinely curious. I'm
not trying to bust your chops about anything. I woluld like to
understand why the size of the cohors is such a pivotal value in your
estimation of what constitutes good Nova Roman government. I serve as
a scriba to Gn. Salix because I have been formally trained in Roman
legal history, I read five languages (two of them classical) well and
another two passably if translation should be needed, and I bring a
historical perspective; equally important, I find the work I do as a
scriba enjoyable. And, finally, by volunteering for the praetorian
cohors I have gained the opportunity to give back some of the value
that NR has given me in my brief time here. I have no reason to doubt
that most members of the consules' cohortes feel about their service
the same why I do about mine. You are clearly a smart and
accomplished man who has ascended the cursus honorum on public
approbation of your service. That you and I seem so dismatrically
oppposite in our assessment of the importance ofthe size of the
consular cohort leaves me baffled. Please explain the missing piece
of this puzzle.
Vale bene.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Roman Medicine |
| From: |
"Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 10:53:04 -0000 |
|
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
Avete, Quirites.
Here's a link to "The Asclepion":
http://www.indiana.edu/~ancmed/intro.HTM
The site was created by Prof. Nancy Demand (Indiana University,
Bloomington) as a resource on Graeco-Roman medicine. It includes
images of Graeco-Roman surgical instruments, translations of classical
medical texts, and essays on ancient medicine.
Valete, Quirites.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] I withdrawl my candidacy |
| From: |
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 05:31:42 -0700 (PDT) |
|
It was an exaggeration to point out that we seem to be overlawed here.
About the only thing we do here is create more laws...then create laws to undo oops in previous laws.....then argue that we need another law to take care of law that took care of an earlier law.
Now that I look at what I wrote, I understand...we are like the Roman Republic. I am sorry for the bad taste "joke"......I think I will just create some edicts in Lacus Magni to help me cope with my new enlightenment.
MBA
M Arminius Maior <marminius@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Salvete
--- Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@yahoo.com> escreveu: >
> I find it unfortunate that it had to come to this. I
> look forward to voting for you again in the fall.
>
>
> 1700 Citizens....400 tops Active.....30,000 laws to
> govern them......Nova Roma
M.Arminius: According to my list, we have only 66
laws. Still much work to do!
> Marcus Bianchius Antonius
> Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni
Vale
Marcus Arminius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voting results. Comitia plebis tributa |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 09:26:52 -0400 |
|
Salve, Diana Moravia Aventina -
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:54:37PM -0700, Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:
> Salvete all, I'm in NYC
> and on a webtv thing but will find an internet
> cafe or a library with internet asap.
There should be lots of those available; the NY Public Library system is
wonderful (I love libraries anyway, but these people do a super-fine
job.) You can find a list of the libraries closest to you at
<http://www.nypl.org/>.
> I didn't
> intend to start a controversial discussion and
> then just disappear..
No worries, from my perspective. As I see it, you didn't start the
controversy anyway - that came later.
> Anyway I' ll answer
> Scaevola and anyone else that repled to me
> asap.In the meantime I can verrrry slowly read
> emails but replying is just bloody awful on this
> webtv thing. Valete Diana
Enjoy your visit, and don't get lost in the Roman History aisle (section
900, <cough-cough> :)
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Omnia mutantur, nihil interit.
Everything changes, nothing perishes.
-- Ovid, "Metamorphoses"
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Away |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 09:30:02 -0400 (EDT) |
|
My Friends;
For me the reenactment season has started in earnest and I am scheduled
for four events through the end of the month. Therefore, I shall away
much of the time in the coming season (May through November).
I hesitate to notify this list of my absence, however, due to the
propensity of those who take advantage of a fellow citizen's departure
for real world considerations, and attack that person from behind for a
political advantage.
In my case, however, I would suppose that gossip and certain
determinations regarding my efforts for Nova Roma are of little interest
to anyone considering my semi-retirement in this organization.
I would like to point out though, that behavior such as this on the
internet is very like the same behavior face-to-face. It is generally
in polite society not acceptable, and in this medium may well be of
extreme concern, due to the abiity for the "targets" of such practices
to misunderstand the attacks upon them as perhaps being personal attacks
rather than the more general political ones.
The other element in this micronation is that most citizens have a life
outside of Nova Roma, and have only a limited time to spend here, for a
variety of purposes. My purpose here is as a military student, and not
a political aggressor. My thought is that if one truly wants to
experience a political involvement, perhaps one should consider running
for a local municipal office. The political "strife" in such an effort,
is really "ripe."
This as opposed to those who apparently have no life outside of Nova
Roma, and who spend most of thier time on the internet, and in contact
with every nuance of politics, and personal involvement that occurs
here.
Not being one such who is a slave to this net, but rather uses it simply
as another means of communication it is sometimes difficult for me to
remember the needs of those who do not have such a life outside of Nova
Roma. For those I do feel sorry, but I would ask that at least they
contain themselves to some degree for the benefit of others who have
niether the opportunity nor inclination to spend the great majority of
thier time here in Nova Roma.
Particularly, I would observe that perhaps waiting for an individual to
depart, before pouring vitriol onto ths net about that person might be
considered both unfair, poor citizenship, and certainly bring to mind a
lack of trust in such an attacking individual when the possible target
is away. attending to real world considerations. Certainly, my
confidence in such an individual who attacks a person behind his back is
severely shaken.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM XI |
| From: |
"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 13:32:50 -0000 |
|
EDICTUM XI
I, Gaius Popillius Laenas, Propraetor of America Austrorientalis,
herby extend and confirm the following edictum of my predecessor,
which shall remain in full effect:
EDICTUM IX – appointment of Marcus Vitellius Ligus Praefectus Fabrum
(Legate) for the province of the Provincae.
My thanks to Marcus Vitellius for his willingness to continue to
serve.
The full text of the original edictum may be found at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Austrorientalis/
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Propraetor America Austrorientalis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM XII |
| From: |
"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 13:36:28 -0000 |
|
EDICTUM XII
I, Gaius Popillius Laenas, Propraetor of America Austrorientalis,
herby appoint Lucius Sicinius Drusus Praefectus Regio (Legate) for
the Medius Terra regio of America Austrorientalis.
My thanks to the honorable Senator for his willingness to continue
to serve the Province.
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Propraetor America Austrorientalis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] A small remark |
| From: |
"M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 May 2003 22:25:31 +0200 |
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Salvete omnes Romani,
These are the days that I think it's good that I have remained here in Nova Roma, when I periodically see how my former opponents distort history to make it fit their views.
Sulla wrote: "We had a Governor who embezzled funds previously in Nova Roma. So, I would be very hesitant about the lack of financial oversight."
You know what Sulla? I contacted him two years back and he told me I was the *first* to ever contact him about the affair, which was about *three months* after it had happened. No inquiry was ever made, no research was conducted (at least not that we know of), no serious attempts were made about clearing the matter up. According to Vado (two years ago) nothing happened to the money, and it was still on Bicurratus' bank account, where it had always been. Now, seeing that no investigation was ever conducted, there are two options:
(1) The amount of money we're talking about here was so low and unsignificant that it's hard worthy of the term embezzlement (the money, by the way, came from the resigned Britons themselves, not from any outside source)
(2) The praetorial administration of 2001 was too incompetent to do it.
Also note, Romani, that neither possibility excludes the other.
Curate ut valeatis!
M. Octavius Solaris
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 07:02:29 -0700 |
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Avete Preaetor et Omnes,
----- Original Message -----
<SNIP>
Astur: All that is true, senator. And following your own line of
thought, one could say that, just like senator Q. Fabius Maximus in
his last consulship, C. Fabius Qunitillianus has had to face
*exceptional* problems during these last months. One of his students
ran from home into his house, and another one tried to commit
suicide. So, to be fair, you will have to judge C. Fabius
Quintillianus using the same standards you use for Q. Fabius Maximus.
Sulla(new): Now here is the problem with your line of reasoning. If you go and check the records, Consul Q. Fabius Maximus had a staff of 2 other people, his Quaestor and 1 scribe. Consul Caeso Fabius has a staff of 25 people. Surely, 25 people are more than enough to offset the absence of two people? Do you not think?
In any way, the sheer number of laws issued is *not* a good way to
measure productivity as a magistrate. As Marcus Arminius has pointed
out, some of our laws are three or four lines long and deal with
simple affairs, while other laws are quite longer and try to handle
complex issues. And even beyond that, our consules have other things
to do.
Sulla(new): Again, I disagree, the number of laws issued and succesfully promulgated AND Senatus Consultum are the only public means of measurement. Anything else done behind close doors is just that, secret. Once again, I am more than aware of the duties of being Consul the amount of emails and other busy work that must be done with the office....that is all private and is not able to be quantified in the eyes of the People unless you want to start posting statistics listing the amount of emails and such (along with proof information that would be necessary to go along with supplying those numbers).
Sulla: There are laws that have a few lines? Or are you referring to
Edicta?
Astur: I think that Marcus Arminius is speaking about *laws*. A good
example would be:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-09-18-i.html
(Please bear in mind that I do not try to judge a law's quality by
its length. That would be just as wrong as judging a magistrate's
activity by the number of laws issued :-) ).
Sulla: I remember that law. :) It was a good law and started to slowly implement term limits for our higher offices. If I recall correctly that law has been amended as Nova Roma evolved.
M. Arminius: By the way, the year didnt ended yet. There are some
laws being planned. Be patient, please, because it will take some
months more.
Sulla: Right, you and I are in agreement again, the year is not over,
its just half way over. To date not a single law has been brought to
the People for promulgation let alone review. And, Consul Caeso
Fabius's time is running out...or is he going to wait til his last
month when we have magisterial elections when our minds are going to
be focused on electing new magistrates to slip something by us?
Something like this was done last year with the promulgation of the
Leges Salicia.
Astur: As for the leges Saliciae, they were presented and proposed to
the Comitia in the month of September, if I recall correctly.
Unfortunately, one of the consules decided to veto anything his
colleague would do for purely partisan reasons, and that delayed
things a little bit. Fortunately, I was able to finally present those
legislative proposal to the Comitia, and they were approved.
Sulla: Really? Are you absolutely sure about that. You were a Tribune of the Plebs and I could not veto you. Nor am I referring to the Lex Octavia Salicia. I am talking specifically about the laws you brought before us right before the end of your term when you were running for Praetor. You proposed those laws in either October/November, if I recall correctly and promulgated during your last month in office. I do recall some citizens asking you to hold off on promulgating them because the minds of the citizens focused on dealing with the magisterial elections and not on the promulgation of your laws.
Vale,
Sulla
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 07:06:33 -0700 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kristoffer From
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:59 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis
"L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
> Sulla: I have seen posts yesterday by
> our Consul. He has access to the list
> via individual emails or through the
> web archieves at Yahoogroups.
Salve, Luci Corneli Sulla.
Wednesday, the 14th of May as per his original announcement, was the
last day he started off at home. Sometime during the day, he took off to
Rhodes and plan to return by the 18th. Don't mistake this for a pleasure
trip, it is on behalf of his work. During this time, he will in all
likelyhood be much too busy to even consider reading up on his e-mail.
Ave Titus Octavius et Omnes,
Thank you for pointing out that his announcement was in the middle of his term with the fasces. I appreciate that. And, for the record, I am not stating that his trips might or might not be absolutely necessary. All I am saying is that if he knew he was going to be unable to lead Nova Roma he should not have run for Consul. Now its almost half of the year into his term and to date his campaign promises are unfulfilled and the Comitia has not been summoned (outside of a runoff) and the People keep getting teased about laws down the pike...and for all I know he will trying spring them on us in the last month of his office during the time when Nova Roma is more focused on magisterial elections.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A Question, L. Corneli. |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 07:13:09 -0700 |
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Avete G. Iulius et Omnes,
This has been discussed in detail back in January. Please feel free to check the achieves for the initial debate. I am certain it will answer all, if not most of your questions.
If you have any other questions after searching the archive please feel free to post them either to me privately or to the ML.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Rose
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:04 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A Question, L. Corneli.
G. Iulius Scaurus L. Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit.
Salve, L. Corneli.
As you know I am relatively new to NR and, therefore, probably blind
to a great deal of subtext here. I have read postings criticising the
senior consul for having a 25person cohors. But I have not yet seen
an explanation of the reason for which this is a bad thing for NR. To
my knowledge the only tangible benefit which accrues to an accensus is
five century points for the year he serves, and those points go away
when the accensus' service ends with his consuls'. I ask you, as a
personal favour, to explain why the size of the cohors matters. I've
seen piss-poor performance in a six-man squad and brilliant efficiency
in a 200-man staff, and then the exact opposite. Bigger is not always
better as bureaucratic inertia or in-fighting can arise. Smaller can
turn an effective force into a shambles by more work than they can
competently do. To borrow a bawdy metaphor: it's not the size, it's
what you do with it. On the face of it size doesn't seem to be a
significant variable. There might even be positive benefits to
introducing junior members of NR to the way things are done at the top
by bringing them into the drafting of legislation under close guidance
or learning to develop a sufficient dermal density to ascend the
cursus honorum. Just getting quite a fe people together to work as a
unit despite their very different cultures and socialisations would
prepare a young accensus to deal with a micronation which numbers
among its members many macronationals. I am genuinely curious. I'm
not trying to bust your chops about anything. I woluld like to
understand why the size of the cohors is such a pivotal value in your
estimation of what constitutes good Nova Roman government. I serve as
a scriba to Gn. Salix because I have been formally trained in Roman
legal history, I read five languages (two of them classical) well and
another two passably if translation should be needed, and I bring a
historical perspective; equally important, I find the work I do as a
scriba enjoyable. And, finally, by volunteering for the praetorian
cohors I have gained the opportunity to give back some of the value
that NR has given me in my brief time here. I have no reason to doubt
that most members of the consules' cohortes feel about their service
the same why I do about mine. You are clearly a smart and
accomplished man who has ascended the cursus honorum on public
approbation of your service. That you and I seem so dismatrically
oppposite in our assessment of the importance ofthe size of the
consular cohort leaves me baffled. Please explain the missing piece
of this puzzle.
Vale bene.
G. Iulius Scaurus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] news from Provincia Italia |
| From: |
lanius117@aol.com |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 10:20:57 -0400 |
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Salve, Propraetor
Your first piece of news is certainly one of the best I've heard concerning Nova Roma. This is tremendous! As an acting praefectus in Sodalitas Egressus I can say this kind of publicity is wonderful.
I sympathize with you about the soon-to-be closed restaurant. Perhaps another will spring in Roma somewhere.
Vale,
G. Lanius Falco
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A small remark |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 07:36:46 -0700 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: M. Octavius Solaris
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A small remark
Salvete omnes Romani,
These are the days that I think it's good that I have remained here in Nova Roma, when I periodically see how my former opponents distort history to make it fit their views.
Sulla wrote: "We had a Governor who embezzled funds previously in Nova Roma. So, I would be very hesitant about the lack of financial oversight."
You know what Sulla? I contacted him two years back and he told me I was the *first* to ever contact him about the affair, which was about *three months* after it had happened. No inquiry was ever made, no research was conducted (at least not that we know of), no serious attempts were made about clearing the matter up. According to Vado (two years ago) nothing happened to the money, and it was still on Bicurratus' bank account, where it had always been. Now, seeing that no investigation was ever conducted, there are two options:
Sulla(new): Intersting, I seem to recall conversations in the Senate in regards to this matter and I do also recall on numerous occasions that Senator Q. Fabius stated that he has spoken to Vado in regards to this situation. I do not know why Vado has told you a different story.
(1) The amount of money we're talking about here was so low and unsignificant that it's hard worthy of the term embezzlement (the money, by the way, came from the resigned Britons themselves, not from any outside source)
Sulla(new): Let me ask you, Solaris, what dollar amount in your mind would justify the term embezzlement? $10.00? $100.00? $1,000.00? or would you prefer to base it on a precentage of the Nova Roman Treasury? However, in the end that still does not take away from the fact that a governor who was appointed by the Senate of Nova Roma appropriated funds that were legally not his to appropriate at the time of his resignation.
(2) The praetorial administration of 2001 was too incompetent to do it.
Sulla: Are you speaking about the Praetorial administration or the Pro-Praetorial administration?
Also note, Romani, that neither possibility excludes the other.
Vale,
Sulla
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] I withdrawl my candidacy |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 11:55:18 -0300 (ART) |
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Salvete
--- Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@yahoo.com> escreveu: > It was an
exaggeration to point out that we seem to
> be overlawed here.
> About the only thing we do here is create more
> laws...then create laws to undo oops in previous
> laws.....then argue that we need another law to take
> care of law that took care of an earlier law.
>
> Now that I look at what I wrote, I understand...we
> are like the Roman Republic. I am sorry for the bad
> taste "joke"......
M.Arminius: I didnt thought that this was a bad taste
"joke"; but people can believe that we have 30,000
laws. Or not? :)
>I think I will just create some
> edicts in Lacus Magni to help me cope with my new
> enlightenment.
M.Arminius: Good idea. I will think in something for
the Prov. Brasilia too!
> MBA
>
> M Arminius Maior <marminius@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> --- Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
> <imperialreign@yahoo.com> escreveu: >
> > I find it unfortunate that it had to come to this.
> I
> > look forward to voting for you again in the fall.
> >
> >
> > 1700 Citizens....400 tops Active.....30,000 laws
> to
> > govern them......Nova Roma
>
>
> M.Arminius: According to my list, we have only 66
> laws. Still much work to do!
>
>
> > Marcus Bianchius Antonius
> > Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni
>
> Vale
> Marcus Arminius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A Question, L. Corneli. |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 10:45:01 -0400 |
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Salve, L. Cornelius Sulla -
On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 07:13:09AM -0700, L. Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> Avete G. Iulius et Omnes,
>
> This has been discussed in detail back in January.
In fact, it has not. All that anyone saw at the time was lots of smoke
and noise from your bunch without *any* substantive issues being brought
up. None of you could find a single reason - since you could not bring
up your real agenda of attacking the Consul by any means possible - that
there should not be a Cohors of as many people as the Consul wanted to
have and had the ability to organize. Now, you're simply engaging in
more of the same.
I will admit that your position, combined with the constant repetition
of your inane mantra of "big Cohors Bad Thing!" and your hilariously
tortuous attempts to spell "Byzantine" has probably swayed a a couple of
people into believing that there's some content to this drivel,
particularly since few people have the time to dig back through the
archives to see if there _was_ anything you said that made sense. I can
only hope that your continued posts here and their lack of anything that
resembles accuracy or truth or will eventually reverse that small error.
> Please feel free
> to check the achieves for the initial debate. I am certain it will
> answer all, if not most of your questions.
>
> If you have any other questions after searching the archive please
> feel free to post them either to me privately or to the ML.
^^^^^^^^^
If there was any content to your assertion, I would think it would be an
issue of great public interest - and certainly of great benefit to your
cause. I wonder why you'd want it to disappear from the list, then?
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Quod bonum, felix faustumque sit!
May it be good, fortunate and prosperous!
-- Words spoken when the Roman senate opened its session. Quoted by
Cicero in "De divitatione"
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
"L. Didius Geminus Sceptius" <sceptia@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 14:35:50 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes
Senator, there is a point you can undoubtfully agree with; 2 people
are a very few little number to represent a wide spectrum of the
citizenship. Maybe you can ask yourself what happens when more than 2
people are joined in the same room (And they can stay together :-D)
With only 2 that agree everything proposed, many laws can be
promulgated, but you loose the quite more richful stuff 25 people
discussing gives to you. Just think of that: 4 eyes see worse than 50.
If Senior Consul is not pushed by the haste you would like Consuls to
have, is because he thinks twice (And much more times) before taking a
wild decision.
On the other hand, measuring efectiveness by counting the number of
laws promulgated, is a very common mistake. You can promulgate 50 laws
a year and solve nothing, even get it worse. Instead of that, being
really aware of the problem that need a law, and issue just a suitable
ONE that solves it for the current time and future, is quite more
valuable than the 50 that didn't achieve the purpouse.
Patchs are quite easy to use, but they are just that, patchs. The
roman idea for law was to make a long term law. Not a short-timed one.
And is quite surprising to find so many volunteers for Senior
Consul, isn't it? :-)
Please Senator, do not critizise just for the pleasure of it. It is
better to engage in such a debate when a reasoned statement backs one.
vale bene,
L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIUS
> Sulla(new): Now here is the problem with your line of reasoning.
If you go and check the records, Consul Q. Fabius Maximus had a staff
of 2 other people, his Quaestor and 1 scribe. Consul Caeso Fabius has
a staff of 25 people. Surely, 25 people are more than enough to
offset the absence of two people? Do you not think?
> Sulla(new): Again, I disagree, the number of laws issued and
succesfully promulgated AND Senatus Consultum are the only public
means of measurement. Anything else done behind close doors is just
that, secret. Once again, I am more than aware of the duties of being
Consul the amount of emails and other busy work that must be done with
the office....that is all private and is not able to be quantified in
the eyes of the People unless you want to start posting statistics
listing the amount of emails and such (along with proof information
that would be necessary to go along with supplying those numbers).
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A small remark |
| From: |
"M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 17:26:26 +0200 |
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Salve mi Sulla!
<< Sulla(new): Intersting, I seem to recall conversations in the Senate in regards to this matter [the embezzlement] and I do also recall on numerous occasions that Senator Q. Fabius stated that he has spoken to Vado in regards to this situation. I do not know why Vado has told you a different story. >>
MOS: I would like to see these records then. And when did this occur? If it's after the mail I sent to Vado, then you can't blame me. Besides, why would he have lied to me? If he had harmed NR, knowing that he pretty much loathed it by the end, it would be more likely that he told it to me than to you or your friends.
<< Sulla(new): Let me ask you, Solaris, what dollar amount in your mind would justify the term embezzlement? $10.00? $100.00? $1,000.00? or would you prefer to base it on a precentage of the Nova Roman Treasury? However, in the end that still does not take away from the fact that a governor who was appointed by the Senate of Nova Roma appropriated funds that were legally not his to appropriate at the time of his resignation. >>
MOS: The account was Bicurratus', not Vado's. And you didn't say what the embezzled amount was. Do you even know, actually?
<< Sulla: Are you speaking about the Praetorial administration or the Pro-Praetorial administration [on my suggestion of incompetence of it]? >>
MOS: Haha, good one. Nope, I'm definitely speaking of the general praetorial administration of 2001. Besides, in 2001 after Vado had left there was, for a very long time, no propraetorial administration in Britannia! Albinus, his successor, left Nova Roma in May or early June that year, I believe.
Optime vale,
M. Octavius Solaris
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: news from Provincia Italia |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 15:37:08 -0000 |
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Salve Falco,
> Your first piece of news is certainly one of the best I've heard
concerning Nova Roma. This is tremendous! As an acting praefectus
in Sodalitas Egressus I can say this kind of publicity is wonderful.
Yes, I agree. In June 2001 Provincia Italia hadn't just one active
citizen. When Serapio, Gaius Quirinus Longinus and me started to
take of care the Provincia, our first activities was advertise Nova
Roma in Italy via web, e-mail, on TV, universities and local
renactemnt groups. Now I think we're collectin what we have "seeded".
I agree with you because we have seen several times how a little
article could recruit several people.
> I sympathize with you about the soon-to-be closed restaurant.
Perhaps another will spring in Roma somewhere.
Prof. Nicastro said to Serapio his intention to re-open another
roman restaurant. However the real problem to do it is the money.
This kind of project is very very expansive.
I know there is a similar roman restaurant in Rome but not so
beautiful and original and traditional like Magna Roma. If you visit
http://italia.novaroma.org in the photogallery of the first
provincial meeting there are several photos in Magna Roma.
Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 08:44:44 -0700 |
|
Avete L. Didius Germinus et Omnes,
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 7:35 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis
Salvete omnes
Senator, there is a point you can undoubtfully agree with; 2 people
are a very few little number to represent a wide spectrum of the
citizenship.
Sulla: The ancients were able to do it and they represented millions of people. Here in Nova Roma we only have about 300-400 active citizens. And again, all previous Consular staff numbered at most 5 people. And in addition to that, Consuls only govern when they have the fasces. So, we are only talking about 6 months of actual Consular activity.
Maybe you can ask yourself what happens when more than 2
people are joined in the same room (And they can stay together :-D)
With only 2 that agree everything proposed, many laws can be
promulgated, but you loose the quite more richful stuff 25 people
discussing gives to you. Just think of that: 4 eyes see worse than 50.
If Senior Consul is not pushed by the haste you would like Consuls to
have, is because he thinks twice (And much more times) before taking a
wild decision.
Sulla: I do not see it that way. I see it the exact opposite. I see supervising 25 people as a hinderance because it prevents the Consul from leading and doing his own work. I recall a quote on the ML that Caeso Fabius stated on the ML that he did not know much about the laws in ancient Rome and so he was going to appoint a staff to deal with his inadequacy. My assertion was that he should instead have followed the Mos Maiorum, became a Praetor and then learn about the laws first hand. Then he would have become a better Consul. He did not. He chose to bypass the Mos Maiorum and jump into the Consulship and what have we to show for it? Not very much. Granted the year is still half way here..but his time draws short. Even shorter when you factor in the magisterial elections which will come in about 5 - 5 1/2 months.
On the other hand, measuring efectiveness by counting the number of
laws promulgated, is a very common mistake. You can promulgate 50 laws
a year and solve nothing, even get it worse. Instead of that, being
really aware of the problem that need a law, and issue just a suitable
ONE that solves it for the current time and future, is quite more
valuable than the 50 that didn't achieve the purpouse.
Sulla: Well, here is the problem with that. In ancient Rome a Consul had two ways to make his name stand out. Military leadership and promulgation of laws. In Nova Roma, we do not have any means of having our Imperium bearing Consuls make a splash by conquering Gaul or California, or various unincorporated territories. So the only way Consuls, in Nova Roma, can make a name for themselves is the promuglation of laws. This is the only means the public can utlize to measure the activity of a Consul. Beyond that statistical measure everything else is hearsay, supposition and speculation.
Patchs are quite easy to use, but they are just that, patchs. The
roman idea for law was to make a long term law. Not a short-timed one.
And is quite surprising to find so many volunteers for Senior
Consul, isn't it? :-)
Sulla: No, it was not suprising to find so many volunteers for the Senior Consul. When I was Consul back in 1999 and last year I had numerous requests from people to ask to be my scribe.
Please Senator, do not critizise just for the pleasure of it. It is
better to engage in such a debate when a reasoned statement backs one.
Sulla: Its unfortunate that you think I am getting pleasure out of this. That is not why I am spending my time posting on the ML.
Vale,
Sulla
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A small remark |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 08:57:37 -0700 |
|
Ave Solaris,
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Octavius Solaris
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A small remark
Salve mi Sulla!
<< Sulla(new): Intersting, I seem to recall conversations in the Senate in regards to this matter [the embezzlement] and I do also recall on numerous occasions that Senator Q. Fabius stated that he has spoken to Vado in regards to this situation. I do not know why Vado has told you a different story. >>
MOS: I would like to see these records then.
Sulla: Become a Senator, they are in the Senatorial archieves.
And when did this occur?
Sulla: after Vado resigned.
If it's after the mail I sent to Vado, then you can't blame me.
Sulla: I am not blaming you. I was just responding to your post that stated that no one in the Senate contacted him. That asseration was not correct.
Besides, why would he have lied to me?
Sulla: I do not know. I do not know the man.
If he had harmed NR, knowing that he pretty much loathed it by the end, it would be more likely that he told it to me than to you or your friends.
Sulla: I believe that Vado and Fabius were friends as well.
<< Sulla(new): Let me ask you, Solaris, what dollar amount in your mind would justify the term embezzlement? $10.00? $100.00? $1,000.00? or would you prefer to base it on a precentage of the Nova Roman Treasury? However, in the end that still does not take away from the fact that a governor who was appointed by the Senate of Nova Roma appropriated funds that were legally not his to appropriate at the time of his resignation. >>
MOS: The account was Bicurratus', not Vado's. And you didn't say what the embezzled amount was. Do you even know, actually?
Sulla: Vado was a Senator and member of the board of directors and appointed as govenror of the provincia of Britannia. It was his responsibility as govenror to collect, maintain, and transfer those funds to the central treasury. He bears the responsibility for its misappropriation. Before I answer your question, you should answer mine, What dollar amount in your mind would be sufficient to justify the term embezzlement? $10.00? $100.00? $1,000.00...or would you prefer to base it on a precentage of the Nova Roma Treasury? In my mind, the amount of money taken was not the issue.
Vale,
Sulla
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Away |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 15:50:07 -0000 |
|
Salve Senator Audens,
first of all I wish you a long period of Fortuna and happy "live
events". I hope to see you here as soon as possible talking about
your experiences and re-enactement jobs.
Second I have to say you wrote exactly what I think.
Maybe some citizens should be candidate their self for a local
government if they would like destroying politics.
This not-useful attacks and critics coming from only two men (which
have the arrogance to talk for all the citizens) are boring Nova
Roma and the Main list.
I have to admit I prefer talk in the list of my little Provincia,
it's more interesting.
Maybe this men have to think to use the famous address Nova-Roma-
unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ;-) and trying to "live" outside, under
the sky and sun, on contact with other people, not alone in own
room. ;-)
Good luck, Amice!
Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> My Friends;
>
> For me the reenactment season has started in earnest and I am
scheduled
> for four events through the end of the month. Therefore, I shall
away
> much of the time in the coming season (May through November).
>
> I hesitate to notify this list of my absence, however, due to the
> propensity of those who take advantage of a fellow citizen's
departure
> for real world considerations, and attack that person from behind
for a
> political advantage.
>
> In my case, however, I would suppose that gossip and certain
> determinations regarding my efforts for Nova Roma are of little
interest
> to anyone considering my semi-retirement in this organization.
>
> I would like to point out though, that behavior such as this on the
> internet is very like the same behavior face-to-face. It is
generally
> in polite society not acceptable, and in this medium may well be of
> extreme concern, due to the abiity for the "targets" of such
practices
> to misunderstand the attacks upon them as perhaps being personal
attacks
> rather than the more general political ones.
>
> The other element in this micronation is that most citizens have a
life
> outside of Nova Roma, and have only a limited time to spend here,
for a
> variety of purposes. My purpose here is as a military student,
and not
> a political aggressor. My thought is that if one truly wants to
> experience a political involvement, perhaps one should consider
running
> for a local municipal office. The political "strife" in such an
effort,
> is really "ripe."
>
> This as opposed to those who apparently have no life outside of
Nova
> Roma, and who spend most of thier time on the internet, and in
contact
> with every nuance of politics, and personal involvement that occurs
> here.
>
> Not being one such who is a slave to this net, but rather uses it
simply
> as another means of communication it is sometimes difficult for me
to
> remember the needs of those who do not have such a life outside of
Nova
> Roma. For those I do feel sorry, but I would ask that at least
they
> contain themselves to some degree for the benefit of others who
have
> niether the opportunity nor inclination to spend the great
majority of
> thier time here in Nova Roma.
>
> Particularly, I would observe that perhaps waiting for an
individual to
> depart, before pouring vitriol onto ths net about that person
might be
> considered both unfair, poor citizenship, and certainly bring to
mind a
> lack of trust in such an attacking individual when the possible
target
> is away. attending to real world considerations. Certainly, my
> confidence in such an individual who attacks a person behind his
back is
> severely shaken.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Away |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 09:38:00 -0700 |
|
Ave Fr. Apulus,
Just to correct your post, and again this might be because English is not your first language. But I have never claimed to speak for anyone other than myself. My comments are soley my own, based on my experiences and utilizing the knowledge I have gained as I climbed up the Cursus Honorum to become Consul of Nova Roma in 1999 and last year.
And, to just answer your question I have been working in the local government as volunteer work since I graduated High School (in 1990). I have served as volunteer for the Registrar of voters in nearly ever election in California for a number of years. And I have worked for various political campaigns as well mainly focused on local candidates when I resided in Riverside County, California.
I do find it enligtening that you think we are boring Nova Roma with discussion of politics. What would you prefer us to talk about? How everything is just peachy? Or would you prefer us to be silent drones of those in authority? If we took your advice you would have been able to promulgate your secret police edicts, now would you.
Thank you for your advice, but I respectfully decline to unsub myself from the Nova Roma main list.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:50 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Away
Salve Senator Audens,
first of all I wish you a long period of Fortuna and happy "live
events". I hope to see you here as soon as possible talking about
your experiences and re-enactement jobs.
Second I have to say you wrote exactly what I think.
Maybe some citizens should be candidate their self for a local
government if they would like destroying politics.
This not-useful attacks and critics coming from only two men (which
have the arrogance to talk for all the citizens) are boring Nova
Roma and the Main list.
I have to admit I prefer talk in the list of my little Provincia,
it's more interesting.
Maybe this men have to think to use the famous address Nova-Roma-
unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ;-) and trying to "live" outside, under
the sky and sun, on contact with other people, not alone in own
room. ;-)
Good luck, Amice!
Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> My Friends;
>
> For me the reenactment season has started in earnest and I am
scheduled
> for four events through the end of the month. Therefore, I shall
away
> much of the time in the coming season (May through November).
>
> I hesitate to notify this list of my absence, however, due to the
> propensity of those who take advantage of a fellow citizen's
departure
> for real world considerations, and attack that person from behind
for a
> political advantage.
>
> In my case, however, I would suppose that gossip and certain
> determinations regarding my efforts for Nova Roma are of little
interest
> to anyone considering my semi-retirement in this organization.
>
> I would like to point out though, that behavior such as this on the
> internet is very like the same behavior face-to-face. It is
generally
> in polite society not acceptable, and in this medium may well be of
> extreme concern, due to the abiity for the "targets" of such
practices
> to misunderstand the attacks upon them as perhaps being personal
attacks
> rather than the more general political ones.
>
> The other element in this micronation is that most citizens have a
life
> outside of Nova Roma, and have only a limited time to spend here,
for a
> variety of purposes. My purpose here is as a military student,
and not
> a political aggressor. My thought is that if one truly wants to
> experience a political involvement, perhaps one should consider
running
> for a local municipal office. The political "strife" in such an
effort,
> is really "ripe."
>
> This as opposed to those who apparently have no life outside of
Nova
> Roma, and who spend most of thier time on the internet, and in
contact
> with every nuance of politics, and personal involvement that occurs
> here.
>
> Not being one such who is a slave to this net, but rather uses it
simply
> as another means of communication it is sometimes difficult for me
to
> remember the needs of those who do not have such a life outside of
Nova
> Roma. For those I do feel sorry, but I would ask that at least
they
> contain themselves to some degree for the benefit of others who
have
> niether the opportunity nor inclination to spend the great
majority of
> thier time here in Nova Roma.
>
> Particularly, I would observe that perhaps waiting for an
individual to
> depart, before pouring vitriol onto ths net about that person
might be
> considered both unfair, poor citizenship, and certainly bring to
mind a
> lack of trust in such an attacking individual when the possible
target
> is away. attending to real world considerations. Certainly, my
> confidence in such an individual who attacks a person behind his
back is
> severely shaken.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Away |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 17:08:41 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, senator Sulla.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
<<snipped>>
> And, to just answer your question I have been working in the local
> government as volunteer work since I graduated High School (in
> 1990). I have served as volunteer for the Registrar of voters in
> nearly ever election in California for a number of years. And I
> have worked for various political campaigns as well mainly focused
> on local candidates when I resided in Riverside County, California.
Just out of curiosity, senator. How many people worked with you in
the Registrar of voters? How many people worked with you in those
political campaigns? Were you more than 25?
You all must have been a truly evil cadre, then! :-).
> I do find it enligtening that you think we are boring Nova Roma
> with discussion of politics. What would you prefer us to talk
> about? How everything is just peachy? Or would you prefer us to
> be silent drones of those in authority? If we took your advice you
> would have been able to promulgate your secret police edicts, now
> would you.
Well; you could try to talk about *Rome*, just to see what happens
:-).
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP3TRIB·OVF
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Away |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 17:24:28 -0000 |
|
Salve Sulla,
> Just to correct your post, and again this might be because English
is not your first language. But I have never claimed to speak for
anyone other than myself. My comments are soley my own, based on my
experiences and utilizing the knowledge I have gained as I climbed
up the Cursus Honorum to become Consul of Nova Roma in 1999 and last
year.
Illustrus Senator, first of all, please take my apologies about my
english, I'll start an english class as soon as possible because I
know what I think in italian often is not what I write in english.
But, Sulla, where you have readen your name in my message? Maybe I
have attacked directly you?
I'm attacking nobody, I have an opinion but I decided to not
partecipe in this discssion and not use your "weapon". Yes, I'm
criticing the situation, but don't involve me in your discussions.
> And, to just answer your question I have been working in the local
government as volunteer work since I graduated High School (in
1990). I have served as volunteer for the Registrar of voters in
nearly ever election in California for a number of years. And I
have worked for various political campaigns as well mainly focused
on local candidates when I resided in Riverside County, California.
Well, this is good, congratulations you have good experiences. But I
hope your political strategy in your local gov. was different from
the strategies in NR ;-) LOL
> I do find it enligtening that you think we are boring Nova Roma
with discussion of politics. What would you prefer us to talk
about? How everything is just peachy? Or would you prefer us to be
silent drones of those in authority? If we took your advice you
would have been able to promulgate your secret police edicts, now
would you.
I remember you I withdrawed my controversial Edicta admiting my
errors. I think this is roman and brave. Are you able to do the same?
I agree with you, I don't want the silent, the critics against the
gov are normal and they have to exist in a democratic organization.
But I think that not all the critics are useful and when the critics
are un-useful the system is not perfect. IMHO this discussion is not
useful, and they are boring NR.
Yes I agree, the critics against me in February were useful and I
withdrawed the documents. Just about Feb I critic only the used un-
polite tone and language.
> Thank you for your advice, but I respectfully decline to unsub
myself from the Nova Roma main list.
Again, Sulla, where you have readen your name in my invitation?
However I you permit me, I suggest you to live more outside NR and
take the life more easy and light ... LOL
Please, don't subscribe the list, what we all (citizens of Nova
Roma) could do without you and your statements ;-)
Please, don't involve me in your discussions.
Vale bene
FAC
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Away |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 17:30:00 -0000 |
|
Salve Senator,
> I do find it enligtening that you think we are boring Nova Roma
with discussion of politics. What would you prefer us to talk
about? How everything is just peachy?
Hey, Sulla, maybe we could talk about Ancient Rome, Classic Culture,
live events, archeology, History, military strategies, classes and
historical training, latin language, Religio, roman Tresuries,
restoration of Temple of Magna Mater, organization of galleries and
museums, books, relationships between Rome and other cultures,
salvation of the cultural and historical patrimony, roman life,
philosophy, roman astrology, satire, theatre and latin writers,
etc. ;-) This topics bore you? LOL
Vale
FAC
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Away |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 10:25:33 -0700 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Away
Salvete Quirites; et salve, senator Sulla.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
<<snipped>>
> And, to just answer your question I have been working in the local
> government as volunteer work since I graduated High School (in
> 1990). I have served as volunteer for the Registrar of voters in
> nearly ever election in California for a number of years. And I
> have worked for various political campaigns as well mainly focused
> on local candidates when I resided in Riverside County, California.
Just out of curiosity, senator. How many people worked with you in
the Registrar of voters? How many people worked with you in those
political campaigns? Were you more than 25?
You all must have been a truly evil cadre, then! :-).
Sulla: I worked in a polling facility, where citizens actually come and cast their ballots. In California each polling facitily must have at least 3 individiuals at all times. An average polling facility will have about 5 - 6 individuals work in a polling facility. I have volunteered to work in about 15 elections since 1992/3 and during that time we have never had more than 5 people work in a precinct. The Registrar of Voters is always in need of volunteers primarily because of the very long hours the job requires (6 am til 8 pm) and longer if you are the supervisor of the polling facility (a priviledge I had in the past 6 elections I worked in). During those times you could be required to stay an additional 1-2 hours if needed.
> I do find it enligtening that you think we are boring Nova Roma
> with discussion of politics. What would you prefer us to talk
> about? How everything is just peachy? Or would you prefer us to
> be silent drones of those in authority? If we took your advice you
> would have been able to promulgate your secret police edicts, now
> would you.
Well; you could try to talk about *Rome*, just to see what happens
:-).
Sulla: I did. Perhaps you missed my post yesterday about the Kindom of David?
Vale,
Sulla
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 16:50:18 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, senator Sulla.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
Astur (I): All that is true, senator. And following your own line of
thought, one could say that, just like senator Q. Fabius Maximus in >
his last consulship, C. Fabius Qunitillianus has had to face
*exceptional* problems during these last months. One of his students
ran from home into his house, and another one tried to commit
suicide. So, to be fair, you will have to judge C. Fabius
Quintillianus using the same standards you use for Q. Fabius Maximus.
Sulla(new): Now here is the problem with your line of reasoning. If
you go and check the records, Consul Q. Fabius Maximus had a staff of
2 other people, his Quaestor and 1 scribe. Consul Caeso Fabius has a
staff of 25 people. Surely, 25 people are more than enough to offset
the absence of two people? Do you not think?
Astur (II): No, I don't think so. Those 25 can not call the Comitia.
Those 25 can not issue edicta. Those 25 can not set the Senate's
agenda. They can keep working in other things, but they can not do
everything a consul would be able to do. Just like the quaestor
assigned to Q. Fabius Maximus, or the scriba he appointed.
Sulla(new): Again, I disagree, the number of laws issued and
succesfully promulgated AND Senatus Consultum are the only public
means of measurement. Anything else done behind close doors is just
that, secret. Once again, I am more than aware of the duties of
being Consul the amount of emails and other busy work that must be
done with the office....that is all private and is not able to be
quantified in the eyes of the People unless you want to start posting
statistics listing the amount of emails and such (along with proof
information that would be necessary to go along with supplying those
numbers).
Astur (II): Politics is not a production line, senator. Laws are not
cars. Our magistrates must work on the laws that Nova Roma needs;
their duty is *not* to produce an immense amount of legislation. And
the People of Nova Roma are neither computers nor monetarists; they
can appreciate thing beyond simple numbers. Otherwise, the work of
most of our magistracies would be considered without merit, given
that their legislative productivity is close to zero.
Sulla (I): There are laws that have a few lines? Or are you
referring to
Edicta?
Astur (I): I think that Marcus Arminius is speaking about *laws*. A
good example would be:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-09-18-i.html
(Please bear in mind that I do not try to judge a law's quality by
its length. That would be just as wrong as judging a magistrate's
activity by the number of laws issued :-) ).
Sulla (II): I remember that law. :) It was a good law and started
to slowly implement term limits for our higher offices. If I recall
correctly that law has been amended as Nova Roma evolved.
Astur (II): It might have been an excellent law in its time, and it
might have been ammended, revoked or superceded by later laws. But
that is beyond the point. The point is that laws can require
extremely different amounts of work to be prepared.
Astur (I): As for the leges Saliciae, they were presented and
proposed to the Comitia in the month of September, if I recall
correctly.
Unfortunately, one of the consules decided to veto anything his
colleague would do for purely partisan reasons, and that delayed
things a little bit. Fortunately, I was able to finally present those
legislative proposal to the Comitia, and they were approved.
Sulla (II): Really? Are you absolutely sure about that. You were a
Tribune of the Plebs and I could not veto you. Nor am I referring to
the Lex Octavia Salicia. I am talking specifically about the laws
you brought before us right before the end of your term when you were
running for Praetor. You proposed those laws in either
October/November, if I recall correctly and promulgated during your
last month in office. I do recall some citizens asking you to hold
off on promulgating them because the minds of the citizens focused on
dealing with the magisterial elections and not on the promulgation of
your laws.
Astur (II): As I said above, I presented the laws in September, much
before anyone was thinking about the elections. I withdrew them
because most people wanted a negotiated solution for the gens reform,
and then I spent a couple of months waiting for that negotiated
solution while you blocked every attempt to present it to the Senate
or to the Comitia (you even tried to forbid discussion in the Senate,
if I recall corectly).
Finally, I decided to present my own laws without waiting for you to
accept a compromise. Two months had passed, so we were in November.
However, I do not remember anyone asking to hold off because "the
minds of the citizens focused on dealing with the magisterial
elections and not on the promulgation of your laws". And I think that
our citizens handled the "overwhelming" mental strain very well; they
managed to vote in favour of the laws presented and then they elected
an excellent group of magistrates :-).
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A small remark turned into quite some issue ;) |
| From: |
"M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 18:47:22 +0200 |
|
Salve iterum Sulla,
Been a long time since we debated, no? ;)
<< Sulla: Become a Senator, they [the records about the 'embezzlement' he claims] are in the Senatorial archieves. >>
MOS: That is *not* what I call evidence. There is no law forbidding you to quote from the senatorial archives.
<< Sulla: I do not know [why he would have lied if Sulla is correct in his assumptions]. I do not know the man. >>
MOS: I actually asked *when exactly* it occurred after Vado resigned. One month, four months... it makes a difference.
<< Sulla: I believe that Vado and Fabius were friends as well. >>
MOS: Vado hated Fabius and vice versa.
<< Sulla: Vado was a Senator and member of the board of directors and appointed as govenror of the provincia of Britannia. It was his responsibility as govenror to collect, maintain, and transfer those funds to the central treasury. He bears the responsibility for its misappropriation. Before I answer your question, you should answer mine, What dollar amount in your mind would be sufficient to justify the term embezzlement? $10.00? $100.00? $1,000.00...or would you prefer to base it on a precentage of the Nova Roma Treasury? In my mind, the amount of money taken was not the issue. >>
MOS: Board of directors you say? To my knowledge provincia Britannia was no legal entity. Did he ever promise to put this money into the central treasury? If he did, he made a mistake. If he didn't, the money on Bicurratus' account is technically theirs. You can't embezzle money if it's your own, and as I said before it actually *was* their own money they had given to provincia Britannia (a non-legal entity which therefore cannot own money).
That aside, what I think qualifies as embezzlement is a nice trick to make me throw out hard numbers but the answer is not that simple. If it actually is embezzlement we're talking about (I first need proof of it, or someone to refute my reasoning above), then any number technically is embezzlement, just like a group of five people governing hundred people is technically speaking an oligarchy. But you know as well as you do that embezzlement bears a grave connotation and is a term usually used when dealing with very high figures. And now, please answer my question: how much was on that account? If you say embezzlement you need to give us numbers, not the other way around.
Furthermore, why was the money, even if it was really technically embezzled, never retrieved? Why didn't you just sue Vado and Bicurratus if it really was embezzlement? What happened to the investigation, if there really was one? And "become Senator and check the Senatorial archives" will not do as an answer, thank you very much! :)
Optime vale in pace deorum,
M. Octavius Solaris
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: I withdrawl my candidacy |
| From: |
"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 21:03:16 -0000 |
|
Salve Gai Modi et salve quirites,
I had been waiting to see if the Tribunes would present their formal
solution to this situation before replying to your post, but I know
Diana Moravia is traveling and I did not want too much time to go by.
I certainly understand what you mean by "enduring" 5 run offs. Your
withdrawal is a noble act and I appreciate your endorsement.
I sincerely wish you the best in your future efforts in Nova Roma.
Active, enthusiastic cives are the only thing that will ever allow
NR to achieve her goals.
If you run for Tribune in the fall, you will have my vote. I will
offer to the Gods that, by then, our procedures will allow you to be
elected in the first (and only) go round.
Bona fortuna and Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Citizens of Nova Roma:
>
> I have endured 5 run-off elections, and it is now the middle of
May. There is no question that the system we currently have in
place is flawed. I trust that the Tribunes will do their best to
fix the problem, and I would encourage them to come up with a
solution instead of waiting for someone else to propose one.
>
> I wish to serve our Republic in honor, and would consider it a
great dignity to serve as a tribune in the future. However, I feel
that it is in the best interests of the Republic for me to humbly
step down as a candidate, and allow Gaius Popillius Laenas be
elected. I would encourage all those that supported me to vote in
the next run-off election, and to vote for Laenas. Five tribunes
are better than 4, and our Republic is suffering.
>
> I will run for tribune again in the fall under the same platform I
did last year:
>
> I. To cooperate with other magistrates to promote the best
interests of Nova Roma.
> II. To encourage the active participation of all citizens within
Nova Roma.
> III. To facilitate communication between the Senate and the People.
> IV. To advocate for an increased local presence of Nova Roma
within Macronations.
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
| From: |
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 May 2003 15:36:17 -0400 |
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F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to L. Cornelius Sulla. Salve.
I have been following this thread for a while and I wanted to ask you why you appear (NOTE THAT "APPEAR") to be insulting or belittling the intelligence and abilities of the populace of NR? I do not believe that it is beyond our mental abilities to perceive both magisterial elections and the voting on laws at the same time.
In regards to the cohors of the consul, I believe you have been beating this drum for six months. Have you no knowledge of other instruments? Could you not blow or perhaps just finger something else for a change? The consul in question appears to have the approval of the majority of the active citizenry (or perhaps they just feel more comfortable talking to him on a personal basis--as well of in his capacity of consul). Just because his cohors is bigger than yours was (or ever likely will be) doesn't mean that he does not keep them busy with different jobs per his agenda and plans.
I will be the first to acknowledge your past contributions to the Republic but just as the first & most famous Sulla did great things, it should be remembered that he had trouble letting go of his involvement (and interference) with the duly appointed magistrates and leaders of Old Rome. If you believe that certain laws or amendments need to be enacted, then you should have no trouble opening your mouth (or email) and speaking directly to the Consuls. Truly this would likely lead to your being more 'felix' that 'fulminator' on the main-list.
May the Gods grant you good health, good fortune, and prosperity.
Vale.
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[Nova-Roma] Re: Cohors Consulis |
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"Caeso Fabius Quintilianus" <christer.edling@telia.com> |
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Fri, 16 May 2003 19:20:35 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> "L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
> > Sulla: I have seen posts yesterday by
> > our Consul. He has access to the list
> > via individual emails or through the
> > web archieves at Yahoogroups.
>
> Salve, Luci Corneli Sulla.
>
> Wednesday, the 14th of May as per his original announcement, was the
> last day he started off at home. Sometime during the day, he took off to
> Rhodes and plan to return by the 18th. Don't mistake this for a pleasure
> trip, it is on behalf of his work. During this time, he will in all
> likelyhood be much too busy to even consider reading up on his e-mail.
>
> Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
Salvete Quirites!
I am in Berlin (sorry Pius ;-) ) taking care of 12 pupils. I have 2
minutes to send this message, then I have to run. I don#t admire those
who attack someone who is away! I'll be back, be sure of that!
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