Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Mon, 02 Jun 2003 02:46:46 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> scripsit:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Voting in the Comitia Populi Tributa has concluded. The Lex Fabia
de Censo has been approved...

Io! Io! Felicitatio on passage of this key lex! As my excellent
legata has already pointed out, we stand ready to comply and are
eager to reach out to those cives who may have fallen by the wayside.

Let this census be the vehicle to breathe new energy into all our
cives!

---
IULI.SEMPRON.MAGN.PR.AM.BOR.
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Praetrix America Boreoccidentalis
|||| http://ambor.novaroma.org
Discussion Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmBor_Waves/

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The Lex-----is approved.
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:08:04 EDT

In a message dated 6/1/03 2:57:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jmath669642reng@webtv.net writes:


> . My thanks Senator Maximus both for your words of support , and for this
> opportunity to once again speak for this Lex.
>

Good, now we are all in agreement...CAN WE GET ON WITH IT?

Senator and Proconsul
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Mon, 02 Jun 2003 09:00:15 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus F. Galerio Aurelio Secundo salutem dicit.

Salve, F. Galeri Aureli.

The standard treatment on Roman election law through the Sullan
constitution is A.E. Austin's _The Lex Annalis Before Sulla_
(Bruxelles, 1958). G. Nocera's _Il potere dei comizi e i suoi limiti_
(Milano, 1940) is also very useful, but the only library in the US
where I've been able to find it is the Widener at Harvard and they
won't send it on ILL. G.V. Sumner's The lex annalis under Caesar
(Toronto, 1971) is also hard to find, and has some errors in it.
Margherita Gallo's _Il broglio elettorale nella Roma di Cicerone_
(Firenze, 2000) has gotten some good reviews, but I haven't read myself.

It appears that the prohibition on reelection of magistrates (the
technical term for reelection of an incumbent is continuatio;
prorogatio is the extension of a magistrate's term rather than
reelection per se and is most often found in connection to
promagistracies of provinciae) was a matter of the mos maiorum prior
to the Lex Villia (180 CE) which forbade continuatio in the consulship
(i.e., an incumbent consul could not stand for reelection, but a
former consul could stand again later for the office, although this
also appears to have been discouraged by the mos maiorum) and
established age requirements for the cursus honorum. The career of
Gaius Marius demonstrates that the Lex Villia could be suspended under
extraordinary circumstances. While some scholars have argued on the
basis of a passage in Appian that there was a legal prohibition on
reelection tribunes of the plebs which came into play in the
assassination of Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus, David Stockton (The
Gracchi [Oxford, 1979], 169-171) provides a compelling case against
this view which rests on Appian's not distinguishing between a
statutory prohibition and the de facto legal weight of the mos
maiorum. Sulla's constitutio prohibited reelection to a magistracy
with imperium except after an interval of five years. Examination of
the extant consular, praetorian, and aedilian fasti of the Republican
period suggests that reelection to those offices regardless of
interval was always relatively rare; after all, there wasn't much
point to seeking multiple election as aedile or praetor, since both
offices were expensive and served primarily as steps toward the real
prize, the consulship, and there seems to have been social stigma in
the aristocracy associated with blocking one's relatives' careers by
taking more than one's proper turn in office (Cicero alludes to this
in his letters). It is unsurprising that the disinclination of the
Republican Roman oligarchy to see power monopolised by any of its
individual members would militate against repeated tenures in office.

In NR the Lex Salicia de Prorogatione et Cumulatione, of course,
prohibits reelection of any incumbent magistrate. The Lex Iunia de
Temporum Definitione Consulatuum prohibits anyone holding the
consulship more than twice in five years. I think both are wise laws
and, indeed, wouldn't object to a Sullan-style prohibition on a consul
seeking reelection before a five year interval had passed since his
last. I think there are excellent reasons to prevent the
concentration of political power in any single individual which can
result from repeated reelection to an office, and frequent reelection
limits the ability of our republic to train its future leadership by
ascent of the cursus honorum. An argument can be made that offices
like the Curator Differum and the Curator Aranei are more technical
than magisterial in their responsibilities and that it might be in the
interest of the state to permit reelection in order to enjoy the
technical benefits that experience bestow. However, where political
power of magistracy is at issue the benefit which accrues from
successive reelection accrues to the officeholder and not the people,
and that is a path to tyranny.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Dies Salicius de rebus Etruscis et conexionibus aranei Germanis
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Mon, 02 Jun 2003 09:14:04 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Etruscans on the Web":

http://www.open.ac.uk/Arts/etrweb/etrmain.htm

Etruscans on the Web

This site was created by Phil Perkins (Department of Classics at the
U.K.'s Open University) and provides a wide variety of links to sites
dealing with Etruscan philology, university programmes dealing
Etruscan studies, archaeological sites, and museums.

And a link to the French site "Rassena":

http://membres.lycos.fr/etruscologie/

Created by Laurent Hugo (Université de Nantes) and Dominique Brother
(Université de Bretagne Sud), this site provides an extraorindary
range of online scholarship on Etruscan civlisation and language,
including Jean-René Jannot's _A la rencontre des Etrusques_.

And a link to the Italian site "Etrusca Philologia":

http://web.infinito.it/utenti/e/etruscan/home.htm

This site, created by Adolfo Zavaroni, contains an anthology of
approximately 8,500 Etruscan inscriptions classified geographically
with information on dating, location, and related publications.

And a link to the Belgian site "Les mirois étrusques et prénestins":

http://pot-pourri.fltr.ucl.ac.be/miroir/

This site, created by Roger Lambrechts (Professor Emeritus, Université
de Louvain and editor of the "Corpora Speculorum Etruscorum"),
contains a study and classification of all the extant Etruscan mirrors.

And for a certain praetor in Hispania who growsed about links to
German-language sites :-), a link to a Spanish site with some nice
images of Etruscan inscriptions:

http://www.proel.org/alfabetos/etrusco.html

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:23:49 -0000

Salvete,

It is a pleasure that June, month dedicated to goddess Concordia,
started with the gaudio of the approval of the excellent Lex Fabia.

(According to Ovidius on the Fausti Poem, one of the reasons of the
name ´June´ is because on June the Romans and Sabines matched
together (juntar) on the same city and people by the craft and
blessings of Concordia.)



Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus
Plebeian Aedile





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Voting in the Comitia Populi Tributa has concluded. The Lex Fabia
de
> Censo has been approved, with 34 tribes voting and 26 tribes voting
> in favor and 8 tribes (7 tied) voting against.
>
> I hereby thank the Populus for their approval and hope to soon
> present a new law!
>
> I hereby ask the Curator Araneum to see to it that this law is
> included in the Tabularium.
>
> I also thank the Rogatores for their hard work and hope that they
are
> ready to deal with my next proposal soon. ;-)
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Help wanted on The Cauldron
From:	"Annia Minucia Sempronia" <_Ciarin_@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:20:18 -0000

http://www.ecauldron.com/reconroman.php

They speak briefly on Roman reconstructionalist Pagans. I was
wondering if anyone here with more knowledge could respond to their
ad:

"The Cauldron: A Pagan Forum is looking for volunteers to help expand
this site's material on Roman Reconstructionism. Most of the articles
and features on this site have a strong Wiccan or general Neo-Pagan
flavor because most of the articles and features we have been given
are written by knowledgeable Wiccan or general Neo-Pagan authors. If
you'd like to see some of your original articles and book reviews on
Roman Reconstructionism published on this site, please contact
Randall. rssapphire00@ecauldron.GETRIDOFME.com

-Annia Minucia Sempronia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] code 19
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:52:16 -0000

Salvete Censores and Curator Araneum,

I have a little problem and I think the other Paters Familias could
be interested.
A couple of weeks ago I received the request of citizenship to Gens
Apula of Marcus Apulus Sabinus. I went the "Edit members" of my Gens
to approve this request. But I didn't because there was the
button "APPROVE". There was (and there is) the text "CODE 19" and I
can't accept Marcus Sabinus.
What is this message? How I can resolve it?

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Pater Familias Gens Apula

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] FYI: Iliad Literary Awards Program
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:34:11 -0400

Salve Romans FYI






Iliad Literary Awards Program
[Quarterly open-style competition. 4-$1,000 grand prizes and 396 other prizes, annually]. The Iliad Literary Awards Program is the "flagship" competition of Iliad Press. The awards program is an open competition; poems and essays of any style of family-reading subject are acceptable. Poems are limited to 30 lines and essays to 300 words. No purchase or entry fee is required for the first two(2) entries in any quarterly competition. If you send more than two entries in any quarterly contest, there is a reading fee of $2 for each additional entry. Contest deadlines: March 31, June 30, September 30, and December 31. Late entries will automatically be enrolled into the next competition.

Youth Awards Program
[Quarterly open-style competition. 4-$200 First Prizes, 4-$100 Second Prizes, 4-$50 Third Prizes, annually.] The Youth Awards Program is designed for writers under twenty-one (21) to encourage writing among our youth. It is part of the Iliad Literary Awards Program and all contestants that enter the Youth Awards Program will automatically be enrolled in the Iliad Literary Awards Program providing that you are under 21 and write your age on the entry form. Submit poetry (30 line limit) and Prose (300 word limit) by March 31, June 30, September 30, and December 31. No entry fees for the first (2) entries, $2 for each additional entry.

How to Enter Contest by E-Mail
To enter the contest by E-mail, send 1 or 2 poems up to 30 lines or essays up to 300 words by sending your entry to info@cader.com (do not attach files...they cannot be opened.) (1) Be sure to put "POETRY CONTEST" on the subject line of the email. (2) Type "Iliad Literary Awards Program" in the upper left-hand corner of the page. (3) Provide your name, age*, and address (street, city, state, zip, country) under "Iliad Literary Awards Program." (4) Type or place your entry within the email.

*Please include your age if you are entering the Youth Awards Program. This program is open to any writer 21 or under. These writers are eligible for additional cash prizes.

Upon receipt, your writing is checked for adherence to our general guidelines.

If you are entering this contest from inside the continental U.S.A. or Canada, personal comments are written on your entry(ies). We share our initial impression with you; we may make corrections or suggestions. We then return to you our official "contest entry form" along with your writing stamped either qualified or disqualified.
If you are entering from outside of the continental U.S.A. or its territories, then you will receive an email from us informing you if we will accept your entry into our contest and provide you with further instructions.

How to Enter the Contests by Mail
To enter the contest by mail, send 1 or 2 poems up to 30 lines or essays up to 300 words to Iliad Press, 36923 Ryan Road, Suite W, Sterling Heights, Michigan 48310. Please enclose a self addressed stamped ($0.37 postage stamp) long, business-sized #10 envelope and we will send you a Free Gift just for entering our contest. Please be sure that each entry has your full name and address, including street, city, state and zip code. Please include your age if you are entering the Youth Awards Program. Also, type or print "Iliad Literary Awards" in the upper left-hand corner of your entry.

What are the Judges Looking For?

Guidelines: Poems to be written in English, not to exceed 30 lines, prose not to exceed 300 words; no profanity or offensive writing, no plagiarism, display of some form of age-appropriate creativity.

When you first submit your entry be certain to check for proper spelling, line breaks, and grammar. First impressions are important. We may make suggestions for changes. You will be given a second opportunity to review your competition entry when it is returned to you with our official entry form, policies, and procedures. It is imperative at this time that you verify that the entry appears "exactly" how you want the judges to see it.


What Can You Expect?

1. You will be requested to review our policies and procedures regarding our contest. It is important for every entrant (and parents, if you are under age 18) to see our policies and procedures as they relate to our competition.
2. You return to us via U.S. mail, your poetry, along with a signed and dated contest entry form. Only entries returned with a signed & dated form are eligible to win this contest, as we do not keep copies of poems in our office from when they are first submitted to us.
3. You will be invited to purchase a copy of our anthology to publish your literary entry. We hope that writers will want to take advantage of our publishing services and products offered. It is through these sales that we are able to host free writing contests; however, there is no purchase necessary to continue in our contest.
4. Upon return of your writing, it is reviewed again thoroughly for creativity, content, and technical grasp of the English language.


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Many writers do take advantage of our publishing opportunities. If your intent is to be a "published author" - selecting to become published in our anthology is an excellent way to preserve your writing. Our books are crafted using the best materials, intended to last a lifetime. Our unique and well-thought-out format and artisanship is some of the best on the market today! We have thousands of happy customers and an unprecedented record with the Better Business Bureau to back our name, services, and products.

If you decide to publish your writing in our anthology at the time you return your entry form, it will appear in our Writers from Around the World chapter. Publication will occur only if you purchase one copy of the anthology for each literary work to be published, unless you are one of the top 100 winners to the contest. You do not have to purchase anything to compete in this contest.

The 100 winners of each contest will be published free. Honorable Mentions and other writers that advance in the contest will be given the opportunity to be published in the anthology.

AWARDS

"Honorable Mention" status

1) If your writing is awarded an "honorable mention," you are notified by U.S. mail, usually within 4 to 6 weeks from entering, but before the end of the competition.
2) This award is given to approximately 10-25% of all entries that enter our contest. The trained staff of Iliad Press determines Honorable Mention status.
3) If you want to ensure publication of your poetry in our literary anthology (i.e. just in case the poem is not awarded as one of the 100 winners), at this time, you can purchase a copy of the book as an Honorable Mention recipient. When this is done, whether the poem "wins" the contest or not, it is published in the Honorable Mention chapter of the anthology. In the event the poem wins, it is published in the "Winners" chapter of the book.
4) Selection of Publication does not affect winning status.
5) Poems not selected as an Honorable Mention do not advance any further in the competition, but are still eligible for publication.

Selecting the "Winners"

At the end of the contest after all entries are received (typically one month after the last postmark at the end of the contest), we determine who the winners are following these procedures:
1) It does not matter in any way if the writer has purchased any product or service from Cader Publishing, Ltd. The contest is free.
2) Every honorable mention poem is reviewed again looking at the creativity, format, style, mechanics (grammar, punctuation, etc.), topic.
3) The "best" honorable mention poems (typically about 500) are sent to an independent judge for final selection.
4) The top three writers for the "Youth Awards Program" are selected and then selection of the 100 "Laureates" for the Iliad Literary Awards Program occurs.
5) A "Youth Awards" winner may also become one of the 100 "Laureates."
6) These "winners" are published at no cost in the current literary anthology in Chapter One: The Laureates.
7) The top three Iliad winners and the three Youth Awards winners receive free books.
8) Winners will receive notification via the U.S.P.S. Winners are presented the opportunity to purchase copies of the anthology.
9) Typically, prizes (other than books) are shipped to winners within 12 weeks of notification. Anthologies commence production approximately two to four weeks from the selection of the winners. Generally, books take approximately 6 to 9 months to complete, however we reserve the right to ship anthologies up to one year from the end of the competition in the event that there are unforeseen delays.
10) Prizes are subject to change. No change can be made until the next contest begins.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum






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Subject:	[Nova-Roma]
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:48:35 -0400

Salve

I thought I had said this before but I want to make sure that everybody is on the same page.

When I send an e-mail from my computer it lists Stephen as the sender, that's my brother. I can not find out how to include my name as well.

I am in the macro world Timothy Paul Gallagher aka Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


I hope this clears up any confusion on my macro name.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bounce_test?=
From:	=?iso-8859-1?Q?sa-mann?= <sa-mann@libero.it>
Date:	Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:59:56 +0200

Bounce test

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Dies Salicius de rebus Etruscis et conexionibus aranei Germanis
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:33:21 -0000

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Scaure.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS <gfr@i...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to "Etruscans on the Web":
>
> http://www.open.ac.uk/Arts/etrweb/etrmain.htm
>
> Etruscans on the Web
>
> This site was created by Phil Perkins (Department of Classics at the
> U.K.'s Open University) and provides a wide variety of links to
> sites dealing with Etruscan philology, university programmes
> dealing Etruscan studies, archaeological sites, and museums.
>
> And a link to the French site "Rassena":
>
> http://membres.lycos.fr/etruscologie/
>
> Created by Laurent Hugo (Université de Nantes) and Dominique Brother
> (Université de Bretagne Sud), this site provides an extraorindary
> range of online scholarship on Etruscan civlisation and language,
> including Jean-René Jannot's _A la rencontre des Etrusques_.
>
> And a link to the Italian site "Etrusca Philologia":
>
> http://web.infinito.it/utenti/e/etruscan/home.htm
>
> This site, created by Adolfo Zavaroni, contains an anthology of
> approximately 8,500 Etruscan inscriptions classified geographically
> with information on dating, location, and related publications.
>
> And a link to the Belgian site "Les mirois étrusques et prénestins":
>
> http://pot-pourri.fltr.ucl.ac.be/miroir/
>
> This site, created by Roger Lambrechts (Professor Emeritus,
> Université de Louvain and editor of the "Corpora Speculorum
> Etruscorum"), contains a study and classification of all the extant
> Etruscan mirrors.

Ah, the Etruscans. A favourite theme of mine since a long time ago.
May I counterattack with two suggestions?
http://www.isa.it/tuscia/english/history/etrusen.htm
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/

> And for a certain praetor in Hispania who growsed about links to
> German-language sites :-), a link to a Spanish site with some nice
> images of Etruscan inscriptions:
>
> http://www.proel.org/alfabetos/etrusco.html
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Thank you very much for you consideration, dear Scaure :-).

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Salve from a new Citizen
From:	"marcellus_tiberius" <marcellus_tiberius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:23:06 -0000

Just a brief message saying hello to all of the citizens of New
Rome.

I have read a few of the threads.. Hmm.

I see it this way we are all here for different reasons and should
try to understand that. I look forward to having fun and learning
something here and not indulging in e-flame ego wars like in
other groups that gets rather tedious.

Not pointing a gladius at anyone you understand.

Vale, and all the Muses to you.
Marcellus Tiberius

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Salve from a new Citizen
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:55:14 EDT

Salve, Marcellus Tiberius

Welcome to Nova Roma, and well said! I am Gaius Lanius Falco, I live in Nova
Britannia, and if there is anything I can help you with just send along an
email I will try my best. There is a lot to be gained, I feel, by being a cives
and participating in whatever way you feel is right for you. Check out the
main website for ideas - I'm sure something will appeal to you.

Again, welcome to Nova Roma, and may the gods and goddesses guide your path!

Vale,

G. Lanius Falco


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Salve from a new Citizen
From:	"Sp. Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:04:14 -0400

Salve Marcelle Tiberi,

I'm generally long-winded, as some of the people her would tell you. But to be brief, I think I just may like you, Marcelle Tiberi, as though it matters. And the best of luck and fortune to you as well.

Vale,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

"Nam nemo sine vitiis nascitur; optimus ille est qui minima habet." -- Q. Horatius Flaccus