Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman? part two
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:31:20 EDT

That was is very easy. Octavia, sister of Augustus. She not only stayed
loyal to Antony after he repudiated her for Cleopatra, but after the death of
Cleopatra and Antony, she adopted their children and raised them. She never
remarried and remained the perfect, old style Roman matron exemplifying all the
virtues that her brother was doing his best to restore.

F.Gal Aur Sec


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Mediterranean Archaeology Resource
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:08:16 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to Mediterranean Archaeology Resources:

http://www.geocities.com/i_georganas/main.html

This site, created by Ioannis Georganas (Dept. of Archaeology, Univ.
of Nottingham), provides links to archaeology journals,
bibliographies, search engines, online courses, and academic
institutions dealing with the archaeology of the Mediterranean world.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Quintus Sertorius's Grass Crown
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Craig=20Stevenson?= <gaiussentius@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:43:12 +1000 (EST)

Salve,

I checked the entry, and it is a mention of Sulla
forfeiting his Grass Crown by his brutality, and
Quintus Sertorius should have earned one by being
beseiged by Sulla.

I thought there might have been an entry, but I can't
find one.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

--- Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
<cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at> wrote:
---------------------------------
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:37:29 +1000 (EST), Craig
Stevenson wrote:
> Salve,
>
>I have been looking for ages now, in hundreds of
different books,
>and I always come up frustrated. I cannot find any
mention of
>Sertorius winning a Grass Crown, and yet I remember
seeing in a text
>once that he had won one. Can anyone point me to a
text, preferably
>a primary source, that makes a mention of this?

Salve!

Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia, Book 22,
paragraph 12 (the one
beginning with "scripsit et Sulla dictator") mentions
"this crown"
being awarded to Sertorius.

I hope that helps!

--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at
03.06.2003 16:33:59

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:02:06 -0400

EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM
The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
E Domo Curatoris Differum Gaia Iulia Caesaria


is hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective Today

the 4th of IVNIVS MMDCCLVI auc 4 June 2003.

In the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
and Titus Labienus Fortunatus

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Curator








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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Quintus Sertorius's Grass Crown
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:31:04 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus G. Sentio Bruttio Surae salutem dicit.

Salve, G. Senti Brutti.

> I checked the entry, and it is a mention of Sulla
> forfeiting his Grass Crown by his brutality, and
> Quintus Sertorius should have earned one by being
> beseiged by Sulla.

The way in which historians have established that Sertorius won a
grass crown is by combining the passage in Pliny's Nat. Hist. (22.12)
with the description in Plutarch of Sertorius saving the Roman army at
Castulo (which was the sort of thing for which the corona graminea was
awarded). I think you have slightly misunderstood the last clause in
the Pliny passage, which reads "he himself [Sulla], yet, when the
proscribed were being harried the whole world over, yielded in this
crown to Sertorius," i.e., Sulla showed during the proscriptions that
Sertorius was more worthy of the grass crown he had won than Sulla was
of his. The ablative absolute construction "obsessis in toto orbe
proscriptis" indicates the temporal circumstances under which the
action of the principal verb "cessit" took place. and "hac corona" is
the ablative of specification.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Q. Fabius Maximus Departs for the East
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:00:04 EDT

Because the band I manage opens for the band Foreigner tomorrow night, I will
leave to travel east as soon as the show is over. Therefore I will be out of
communication the next 4 days.
I'm changing my NR main list from daily mail to website. Citizens who need
to get ahold of me, please put Attn. QFM in the heading. I will check those
messages first when I return on monday.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Remember...
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:22:16 -0000

... NOVA ROMAN INTERNATIONAL RALLY 2003
BOLOGNA - ITALY .... 1st - 3th August 2003

The wonderful meeting of Nova Romans in the Mater Provincia.
Meet the Consul Quintilianus and other friends and citizens in
Bonomia, look the re-enactement events, talk with archeoligists and
experts, learn roman arts, visit the wonderful city.

Information at http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting/ or
contact Aedile Fr. Apulus Caesar at fraelov@yahoo.it

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] File - List Guidelines, Main List
From:	Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date:	5 Jun 2003 10:50:13 -0000

Ex Officio Praetorium

EDICTVM PRAETORICIVM DE MODERATIONE

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These guidelines are based on the guidelines previously issued by
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those who wish nothing but to cause disruption and insult to the list,
or particular subscribers of the list, to wit, TROLLS, it has become
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until we are satisfied that such persons are indeed here to celebrate
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unjustifiable reasons. This is unfortunate, but it has proved
necessary.

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The forum of Roma Antiquita was a large venue, with people of
different languages conversing, a few in this corner, a few in that
corner.
Rome was a very mulicultured place in her glory. Mind you official
information was in Latin, and in some cases Greek, but people were
free to speak informally as they wished in the language of their
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Our constitution mandates freedom of communication provided it is not
dangerous or disruptive.

Currently, the praetores can understand Latin, Spanish, French,
Italian and Portuguese, so messages in those languages are most
welcome. For other languages, help can be obtained from the decuria of
interpreters of Nova Roma.

Thanks to the decuria of interpreters and to several magistrates or
legates who are willing to assist with list moderation, 'informal'
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Russian, Norwegian, Finnish, Swedish or any Slavik language. The
Praetors have many to thank for efforts in this regard.

***Exception: This does not contravene the Lex Cornelia de Linguis
Publicus
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lege/index/html
which stipulates, though comitial mandate, that any offical government
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where applicable, so they can be translated verbatim into other
languages to be more easily understood by the entirety of the
populace.

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as members of a diverse international community we all have lives and
interests outside of Nova Roma. It is perfectly acceptable to discuss
non-Roman topics here, though keep in mind that not everyone may
share your interest in these topics.

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encourage positive interaction as opposed to punishing negative
behaviour. In the case of a poster whose actions violate these
guidelines aforementioned, the following escalated courses of
action shall be taken:

1.- A private memo from the Praetors' office or a Scribal designate,
stating the incident of infarction, and a reminder to review the
guidelines. Often people who are new to the list are not intentionally
trying to upset anybody.

2.- Another private memo as above.

3.- Moderated status (the poster may post but all posts
they issue are first reviewed by the Praetors or their designate).
The length of moderation shall be determined by the number of offences
in the past, the severity of the violation, and the intent to violate.
No citizen shall be kept in moderate status for more than 2 (two)
months
without a firm sentence issued by a legal court as described by the
Lex Salicia Iudiciaria:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-11-24-iii.html

(For example: Nobody is going to be placed on moderated status for an
extended time for failure to trim posts or for saying 'me too')



Gnaeus Salix Astur,
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Praetores

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Quintus Sertorius and the term "contubernalis"
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Craig=20Stevenson?= <gaiussentius@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:38:05 +1000 (EST)

Salve,

I am really surprised by the lack of information on
Sertorius, and I really need help (thanks for those
who have helped me so far).

I was wondering...Plutarch and all of the other
sources I've read mention Sertorius's first military
experience as being under Caepio at the Arausio
disaster, but I want to know if there is any evidence
of Quintus Sertorius serving as a contubernalis or
junior officer under Marius in Africa? If so, could
someone please direct me to a source that mentions it,
as I am really struggling to back-up this fact.

Also, can anyone describe to me the role of the
contubernalis? Was it essential to become a
contubernalis to advance in a political career? Was it
a necessity for those of equestrian and noble
families?

Any help would be greatly and deeply appreciated.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A Question on size
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:19:01 -0400

Salve

Given all that you know about Rome and the Roman Republican Constitution,

When would you say the constitution worked best?

What size City-state worked the best given her institutions?

When Rome had a population of 10,000
When Rome had a population of 25,000
When Rome had a population of 50,000
When Rome had a population of 100,000
When Rome had a population of 250,000
When Rome had a population of 500,000
When Rome had a population of 750,000
When Rome had a population of 1,000,000



Other: Your own answer


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A Question on size LOL
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:01:47 -0000

Salve Tiberi,

LOL - After that long list edicate reminder this morning I thought
that this title of the post might be some spam that got through the
moderator. I get 10 - 50 emails a day regarding a question of "size"
and performance enhancers from machines to viagra! Well I saw your
name on the posting so all is ok. (grin)

Seriously, I read articles in the past that said city states worked
best with a population of 10 - 50,000.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> Given all that you know about Rome and the Roman Republican
Constitution,
>
> When would you say the constitution worked best?
>
> What size City-state worked the best given her institutions?
>
> When Rome had a population of 10,000
> When Rome had a population of 25,000
> When Rome had a population of 50,000
> When Rome had a population of 100,000
> When Rome had a population of 250,000
> When Rome had a population of 500,000
> When Rome had a population of 750,000
> When Rome had a population of 1,000,000
>
>
>
> Other: Your own answer
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Question on size LOL
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:15:20 -0400

Salve Co-Dictator oh I mean Quintus Lanius Paulinus

I almost labeled it "Does size matter", :.)

I asked the question because someone on the ML some time ago suggested we
limit the size of the NR city. Knowing that the city will some day be build
and I was wondering what size would be best.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Question on size LOL


> Salve Tiberi,
>
> LOL - After that long list edicate reminder this morning I thought
> that this title of the post might be some spam that got through the
> moderator. I get 10 - 50 emails a day regarding a question of "size"
> and performance enhancers from machines to viagra! Well I saw your
> name on the posting so all is ok. (grin)
>
> Seriously, I read articles in the past that said city states worked
> best with a population of 10 - 50,000.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > Given all that you know about Rome and the Roman Republican
> Constitution,
> >
> > When would you say the constitution worked best?
> >
> > What size City-state worked the best given her institutions?
> >
> > When Rome had a population of 10,000
> > When Rome had a population of 25,000
> > When Rome had a population of 50,000
> > When Rome had a population of 100,000
> > When Rome had a population of 250,000
> > When Rome had a population of 500,000
> > When Rome had a population of 750,000
> > When Rome had a population of 1,000,000
> >
> >
> >
> > Other: Your own answer
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A Question on size LOL
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:55:46 +0200

Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> I asked the question because someone on
> the ML some time ago suggested we limit
> the size of the NR city. Knowing that
> the city will some day be build and I
> was wondering what size would be best.

Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.

I'm pretty sure whoever you're referring to was talking about the area
of our future city, which we've stated as 108 acres, same as the
Vatican, not number of citizens.

As to the question at hand, I'm sure we'll be able to maintain a much
higher population than the old citystates, given modern communications,
should we want to maintain such a high population density.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] M. Iucundia Flavia departs for the North
From:	"Mary Beth Clemons" <flaviaspqr@sailormoon.com>
Date:	Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:44:54 +0800

Salvete, omnes!

SVVBE

I, too, shall be out of reach as I will be at Roman Days this weekend. Now, I know what you are thinking..."Who cares? I never mail her anyway." Well, I've taken that into consideration and decided that I just wanted to sound important like Maximus. (hee hee) I can't wait to see you all there! It's been too long.

Valete,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia

PS: Amabo te, pray for our safe travel.
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Away
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:46:13 -0400 (EDT)

NR Friends;

For those who may be interested I am away for the "Roman Days" event in
Baltimore , Maryland. I will spend the remainder of the day packing the
van, and then preparing supper for this evening. We anticipate a very
early departure tomorrow morning.

I plan to return late Sunday Night , but will probaly not be on the
internet again until midday on Monday.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A Question on size
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:08:59 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> Given all that you know about Rome and the Roman Republican
Constitution,
>
> When would you say the constitution worked best?
>
> What size City-state worked the best given her institutions?
>
> When Rome had a population of 10,000
> When Rome had a population of 25,000
> When Rome had a population of 50,000
> When Rome had a population of 100,000
> When Rome had a population of 250,000
> When Rome had a population of 500,000
> When Rome had a population of 750,000
> When Rome had a population of 1,000,000
>
>
>
> Other:

I don't think that size matters <G> as far as population within urban
Rome itself. The Roman "Constitution" broke down as Rome expanded in
territorial influence and administration.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Days Rain???
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:08:02 EDT

Salvete,

We've been watching the weather for Roman Days weekend... the chance for rain
has gone up to 90% with thunderstorms. In other words - moderate to heavy
rain for the duration of both days.

Patricia Cassia and I are seriously considering cancelling our hotel
reservations for the weekend. I don't know if Roman Days can go on in a downpour. If
it does, will anyone even attend? We depend on the cost of the drive and stay
being offset by artifacts sales and can't make the trip if there is no chance
of being able to sell to the public.

Anyone have anything to say before reservations get cancelled? I know some of
the NR folks are pretty much counting on the "Nova Roma Tent" being there.
However, if all that tent is going to be used for is the die-hards huddling from
the rain, talking about the public not showing up...

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Days Rain???
From:	Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:30:37 -0400

Marcus Cassius Julianus writes:

> We've been watching the weather for Roman Days weekend... the chance for
> rain has gone up to 90% with thunderstorms. [...]

> Anyone have anything to say before reservations get cancelled?

I'll be there, at least on Saturday, no matter the weather. Might
bring along a market umbrella to sit under. Though I don't expect
you'd have many sales from just me.

We'll miss you. But I do understand. I feel that as Governor of
the province I really should be present. But I don't expect you or
anyone else to feel such an obligation.

-- Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Days Rain or shine
From:	Diana Moravia Aventina <diana_aventina@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:28:41 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Marinus,

> I'll be there, at least on Saturday, no matter
> the weather. Might
> bring along a market umbrella to sit under.

I'll be there too rain or shine. See you there!

Vale,
Diana


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