Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cicero or Catilina? et al
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:18:21 -0400

Salve Quintus Lanius Paulinus et al

You will be happy to know that despite every attempt by the powers that be to drown the participants, Roman Days came off !!!! Small and VERY WET crowd on Saturday but good turn out of the public on Sunday. Saturday night while a large number of Nova Romans and others went to the Roman Feast, a number of us who did not get a reservation in on time, ended up at the Safari Steak House in Prince George's Co. MD.

A GREAT TIME WAS HAD BY ALL.

Eight of us including Senators D. Iunius Palladius, Senator Quintus Fabius Maximus (Fabio), Senator Gaius Marius Merullus, Minervina Iucundia Flavia and yours truly drank a toast to honor your presents at the dinner if only in sprit.

Now, on to the next argument, I mean discussion

Can someone tell me, based on objective standards of evidence that Lucius Sergius Catiline was TRULY planning a coup/ revolution against the Roman civil authorities and was not just another politician of the "Popular Parties" that Marcus Tullius Cicero et al did not like. Wasn't he goateed into action, by Marcus Tullius Cicero backing him into a corner and the he just fought in self defense when no other choice was left to him? It seems to me that in the last one hundred years of the republic the so-called guardians of the Republic , the "optimates " were the first in almost every case to use violence to stop their opponents. By engaging in extra-constitutional action or even illegal action they helped to kill the very thing the wanted to save. The "party" of Marcus Tullius Cicero et al NEVER had a program to compete for the minds and hearts of the "average" Roman.

As Arthur Kahn states in his The Education of Julius Caesar

"The assassins, having decided simply to rely on Fortune after killing Caesar, had prepared no program. They found themselves helpless to establish control over the commonwealth or even to offer proposals for the restoration of the antebellum Republic. Incapable of viewing the world in a dynamic of unremitting struggle and change, Cicero and the conspirators had been convinced that upon Caesar's death his policies and program would disappear with him. The spoke of liberty and meant plunder, with boundless arrogance they assumed that the populace would not merely accept but even welcome the restoration of the oligarchic city-state, under whose constitution and military power a coterie of aristocratic pirates had pillaged a helpless empire." .... He goes on to add....

"Now past sixty, after almost four decades of involvement in Roman politics, Cicero had not yet leaned that the party to which he committed himself twenty years earlier never had a program, unless Sulla's attempt some thirty- five years earlier to return to the republic to its condition before the Gracchan reforms could be considered such . Balking at any modification in the traditional city-state institutions , the old guard had shown themselves myopic in policy, corrupt in private and public affairs and quick to violence in the face of any challenge to their hegemony. Vainly seeking to shore up the Sullan order, the dictator's successors had sabotaged the registration of new citizens, resisted sharing the imperial plunder with the entrepreneurs and municipal aristocracy, opposed restoration of the civil rights of their political opponents and reform of the courts and of the provincial administration and sought to block all measures for alleviating the misery of the urban and rural plebs. They proved lethargic in dealing with the menace of piracy and incompetent in crushing servile rebellion in Italy and rebellions in the provinces. Only twice after Sulla's death had they exhibited energy and initiative, in Cicero's Consulship and in Pompeius' second Consulship, and on both occasions they exercised their power for repression....."

Let the games begin

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Fortuna Favet Fortibus



---- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:55 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cicero or Catilina?


Salvete Octavius et Spurius,

For people who don't know them, here they are in a nutshell:

Lucius Sergius Catiline - He came from an obscure patrician family
- Rose to political prominance about 60 BC
- Defeated by Cicero for the counsulship in 63
- Exploited the wide political unrest in Italy
- Involved in a conspiracy of rebellion
against the state
- Cicero takes action
- Cataline is defeated and killed in 62 BC

Marcus Tullius Cicero - He came from an equestrian family
- Orator who holds many political offices
- Defeated Cataline for the counselship in 63
- Opposed to Caesar, exiled in 58 BC
- Recalled in 57 BC
- 51 BC, he's governor of Cilicia, sopporter
of Pompei in the Civil War
- Reconciled with Caesar but supported his
assassination
- Delivers a series of speeches against
Anthony in 44 - 43 BC; however, Octavian
makes an allience with Anthony,
proscriptions follow and Cicero is executed.

Well based on these facts I have to give the winning hand to Cicero
with one reservation. He came from a merchant type family of
businessmen, by defeating Cateline in the senate as well as saving
his hide from the wrath of Caesar and getting promoted instead, he
was obviuosly the better talker, he climbed his way through the ranks
to get his poltical experience rather than trying to usurpe power
from the top and finally he was always a step ahead of Cateline,
shown by the fact he beat him to the punch with regards to the
conspiracy.

Still, I must stay consistant in my logic. My reservation about
Cicero is the same one I had for Brutus on my posting the other day.
Ceasar spares their lives and promotes them both. They both turn
around and stab him in the back; Brutus physically and Cicero, moraly.
In their circumstances, I think both men, after being spared by
Caesar should have resigned from office if they detested his policies
and let others solve the problem. I hate biting off the hand that fed
me.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Days VI
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:43:51 EDT

Salvete,

Patricia Cassia and I have returned from Roman Days, after a surprisingly
pleasant 10 hour drive. (Thanks to good roads and two great books from "Books on
Tape", a company we highly recommend for making travel more enjoyable...)

Roman Days VI was a good time as always, even though the weather didn't
cooperate on Saturday. There was solid rain all day. However, the time was well
spent, with a lot of great conversation, a meeting of the Ludus Magnus
Gladiators, and a fine Roman feast put on by Merlinia Ambrosia and Aselina!

Sunday was much better, and there were a good amount of visitors to the
event. The turn out from various Reenactor legions was good, and the Gladiators
managed to have a combat and some training even though the ground was still a
little wet. It's always great to be able to meet other Roman folks face to face,
and this year was no exception.

It was a pleasure to see folks who also travelled long distances, including
Q. Fabius, Flavia Iucunda, Decius Iunius Palladius, Gaius Marius Merullus, and
Diana Moravia Aventina. :) It's hard to explain how important such face to
face meetings are, and how much fun they can be.

We had a great time and would like to thank everyone from Legion XX who made
the event possible!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Cicero or Catilina? et al
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:19:12 -0000

> A GREAT TIME WAS HAD BY ALL.
>
> Eight of us including Senators D. Iunius Palladius, Senator
Quintus Fabius Maximus (Fabio), Senator Gaius Marius Merullus,
Minervina Iucundia Flavia and yours truly drank a toast to honor
your presents at the dinner if only in sprit.
>

Quintus,

Well again I thank you all for that toast. It is indeed an honour and
it means much to me. I'll sure try my best to get to future meetings
and I'm dreaming of vegas in future.

Tiberius -

> Now, on to the next argument, I mean discussion
>
> Can someone tell me, based on objective standards of evidence that
Lucius Sergius Catiline was TRULY planning a coup/ revolution against
the Roman civil authorities and was not just another politician of
the "Popular Parties" that Marcus Tullius Cicero et al did not like.
Wasn't he goateed into action, by Marcus Tullius Cicero backing him
into a corner and the he just fought in self defense when no other
choice was left to him? It seems to me that in the last one hundred
years of the republic the so-called guardians of the Republic ,
the "optimates " were the first in almost every case to use violence
to stop their opponents. By engaging in extra-constitutional action
or even illegal action they helped to kill the very thing the wanted
to save. The "party" of Marcus Tullius Cicero et al NEVER had a
program to compete for the minds and hearts of the "average" Roman.
>
Quintus,

Well stated Tiberius. At this point I have exhausted my present
knowledge on the matter. Since I have free time on this location I
intend to hit the web and gather more information on these two
charcaters before I shoot my mouth off any further. That will take a
few days of pondering. Nevertheless my two friends on the other post
will surely rejoin the discussion.

I'm glad to see you back safe and sound. The Roman days was a great
success from what I am reading. Hopefully you and I shall not be
implicated and condemned without trial for thinking of a Hibernian
Kingdom to rival NR. LOL. I remember reading in I Caudius, Claudius
saying that many of the Germans, Celts and Gauls serving in the
Praetorian Guard or other offices often whined about how great it was
back home. Getting fed up with the complaining, Claudius said, no
problem. You may ship out at once. The complainers then started
thinking of the lovely Mediterranian climate, the succulent foods,
spiced wines, sweets, being in the arms of perfumed beautiful ladies
and the magnificent buildings of marble as opposed to the cold, black
dark forests, beying wolves, stinky, smokey mud and wood huts,
bedding women that bathed not for months and, worst of all, sour
putrid beer! They changed their tunes in a hurry! Well perhaps I too
should hold my tongue about Hibernia lest I get banished from a nice
108 acre Res Repulica someday and get marshalled back to the cold
damp peat bogs of Donnegal!

Best regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Polar Bears in the Arenas
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:26:01 -0000

> The only reference to polar bears in venationes which comes readily
to
> mind is Titus Calpurnius Siculus' _Bucolia_ 7.65, which dates to the
> reign of Nero. I doubt that anyone knows how they were obtained.
> Since Roman coin hoards have been found as far north as Sweden and
> northern Russia, I would hypothesize that they arrived in Rome as a
> result of some enterprising trader recognising the value of such an
> curiousity to a Roman audience, possibly someone involved in the
amber
> trade with the Baltic, but that is pure speculation.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve G. Iuli Scaure,

Thank you for your information. As always it is greatly appreciated!

Vale,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] NH
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:41:58 -0400

Salve

of a Hibernian Kingdom to rival not a rival of Rome But a Friend and ally of the Roman People
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cicero or Catilina? et al


> A GREAT TIME WAS HAD BY ALL.
>
> Eight of us including Senators D. Iunius Palladius, Senator
Quintus Fabius Maximus (Fabio), Senator Gaius Marius Merullus,
Minervina Iucundia Flavia and yours truly drank a toast to honor
your presents at the dinner if only in sprit.
>

Quintus,

Well again I thank you all for that toast. It is indeed an honour and
it means much to me. I'll sure try my best to get to future meetings
and I'm dreaming of vegas in future.

Tiberius -

> Now, on to the next argument, I mean discussion
>
> Can someone tell me, based on objective standards of evidence that
Lucius Sergius Catiline was TRULY planning a coup/ revolution against
the Roman civil authorities and was not just another politician of
the "Popular Parties" that Marcus Tullius Cicero et al did not like.
Wasn't he goateed into action, by Marcus Tullius Cicero backing him
into a corner and the he just fought in self defense when no other
choice was left to him? It seems to me that in the last one hundred
years of the republic the so-called guardians of the Republic ,
the "optimates " were the first in almost every case to use violence
to stop their opponents. By engaging in extra-constitutional action
or even illegal action they helped to kill the very thing the wanted
to save. The "party" of Marcus Tullius Cicero et al NEVER had a
program to compete for the minds and hearts of the "average" Roman.
>
Quintus,

Well stated Tiberius. At this point I have exhausted my present
knowledge on the matter. Since I have free time on this location I
intend to hit the web and gather more information on these two
charcaters before I shoot my mouth off any further. That will take a
few days of pondering. Nevertheless my two friends on the other post
will surely rejoin the discussion.

I'm glad to see you back safe and sound. The Roman days was a great
success from what I am reading. Hopefully you and I shall not be
implicated and condemned without trial for thinking of a Hibernian
Kingdom to rival NR. LOL. I remember reading in I Caudius, Claudius
saying that many of the Germans, Celts and Gauls serving in the
Praetorian Guard or other offices often whined about how great it was
back home. Getting fed up with the complaining, Claudius said, no
problem. You may ship out at once. The complainers then started
thinking of the lovely Mediterranian climate, the succulent foods,
spiced wines, sweets, being in the arms of perfumed beautiful ladies
and the magnificent buildings of marble as opposed to the cold, black
dark forests, beying wolves, stinky, smokey mud and wood huts,
bedding women that bathed not for months and, worst of all, sour
putrid beer! They changed their tunes in a hurry! Well perhaps I too
should hold my tongue about Hibernia lest I get banished from a nice
108 acre Res Repulica someday and get marshalled back to the cold
damp peat bogs of Donnegal!

Best regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Arena tonight
From:	Joanne Shaver <merlinia@comcast.net>
Date:	Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:49:22 -0400

DIABOLI NOVAE CAESARIAE PALMAM CAPIUNT!!!!!!!!!

Valete!
-Merlinia Ambrosia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Safe Return from Roman Days, Thanks
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:31:11 -0000

Salvete,

After an 11 hour drive, Senator Gaius Marius Merullus and I made it
to his house in New Hampshire. It was an uneventful ride for the most
part, though fairly early on we ran over a bird on the interstate
that was too slow to get out of the way. I wondered if it was an omen
but all went well, so if it was it was a good one.

After stopping at Merullus', I continued on for another two hours to
my own domus in Northern Vermont. I had to stop on the interstate
twice for deer in the road but they moved on and all ended well.

Roman Days was a great event despite rain on Saturday. It was great
to meet some of the people behind the names we read all the time. I
felt a sense of community rarely felt even among people I have known
in person for many years. Never doubt the substance of Nova Roma.

First and foremost, thank you Senator Gaius Marius Merullus for your
company and for driving. I think we were both a tad wary about
driving so far with someone we only met a few times briefly but it
was a fun drive both ways--all 24 hours in the car. It was never
boring but there were a few moments of laughter that almost sent us
off the road, not to mention a wrong turn to Valhalla which confused
us as Romans as it seemed inappropriate for us to be there.
Fortunately we made it out of Valhalla and continued on track to
Roman Days.

Thank you Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for being a gracious host to
visitors to your province.

Former senator/Propraetor Minervina Iucundia Flavia, everyone's
favorite former magistrate came a long ways and was a pleasure to
meet after so many years.

As always, it wonderful to see fellow Nova Britannia Senators Marcus
Cassius Iulianus, Patricia Cassia and Marcus Minucius Audens.

Many thanks to Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur for the loan of his
tunic and toga for pictures. It was a generous act in keeping with
his character and it was great to meet him after all these years.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, our curator differum, is a true gentleman
and I look forward to sharing food and wine with him again in the
future.

A special thanks to my good friends Senator Quintus Fabius Maximus
and Tribune Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina. I looked forward to
meeting you both and was honored by your company and that you were
waiting at the door at 3:30 AM for our arrival at the hotel when all
else slept. One should treasure such friends and I do. Avete!

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Roman

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Geography of Roman Gaul
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:17:36 -0000

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Geography of Roman Gaul":

http://www.sc.edu/ltantsoc/geogmain.htm

The site, created by Ralph W. Mathisen (Univ. of South Carolina),
lists more than 1.500 places and peoples of the region and is a
valuable first step toward aa study assessing the urbanisation of
Roman Gaul. The site is in English.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Safe Return from Roman Days, Thanks
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:47:12 -0400

deciusiunius wrote:

[among a lot of other things]

> Thank you Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for being a gracious host to
> visitors to your province.

You're most kindly welcome. It was a pleasure having you here.

-- Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Back on duties
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:43:04 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Omnes,

I am pleased to tell you that I am back on duties after a (too) long period of
uncertainty.
Concerning my health problem, I will not have any surgery. In fact, I visited ten
specialists and I almost got ten different stories about what could happen during and
after the surgery. So I decided not to go for it and I will try to get some muscles (it
is about time...) in order to compensate my broken back. I am doing slightly better
although the pain is still here.
Concerning my job and the wrong insurance policy contracted by my employer, they finally
admitted their mistake and we are going, I hope, to settle in a while (and quiet down at
the same time...). So my job is secured, at least concerning this.
Concerning my move in Paris, I have still not found something to live in with my family.
They are still in Frankfurt and I spent almost all my week ends over there.
For those who would like to contact me: +33 1 58550743 at my office or +33 623922628 on
my handy.
For the time being, I have to get connected to the Internet from my studio. This will
take approx. one week.
I would like to thank Nova Roma for its patience and confidence shown during this period
and for all the support I received. It is a pleasure and a rare opportunity to be around
so nice people.

Valete,



=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Days
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:00:38 -0400

As you are hearing on this list, those of us who had a chance to meet
at Roman Days very much enjoyed the experience! I would especially like
to thank our provincial governor, Marinus, for his kindness in
transporting Minervina Flavia Iucundia to the airport, and Merlinia
Ambrosia Artori for organizing and putting on a marvelous feast. (You
haven't lived till you've had ostrich balls!) Tertulla kindly hosted us
at her house, since the site was too damp for our usual outdoor meal.

The wet ground made things tricky for the gladiators, and put a stop to
the Running in Armor Race, but a respectable number of military
re-enactors were able to march and participate in drills,
pilum-throwing and educating the public about their history and gear.
(Quintus, commander of Legio XX, got a big laugh at the feast when he
pulled out a wax tablet and stylus which he called his "PalmPilot.")

Diana Moravia Aventina's presence, delightful in and of itself, also
marked a Nova Roma first: I believe she is the first citizen to attend
face-to-face gatherings on two different continents. Thanks to Merlinia
for helping her get there! It was fun to see Quintus Fabius again, and
Palladius and Merullus and ... well, there were so many Nova Romans
that there wasn't enough time to spend with everyone!

Along with my thanks to Legio XX for hosting the event, I should
especially like to commend Margaret, the wife of Marcus Minucius
Audens, who transported him home Sunday night, traveling all night to
do so. Audens brings a magnificent presence to any event and Margaret
is the one who makes it possible.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Days
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:19:05 -0000

>>(You haven't lived till you've had ostrich balls!)<<


Salve Patricia Cassia!

Perhaps some elucidation here would be helpful. Are these
delicacies akin to "Mountain Oysters"? ;-)

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Days
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:43:11 -0400

Earlier, Patricia Cassia wrote:
> >>(You haven't lived till you've had ostrich balls!)<<

This led Gaius Popillius Laenas to ask:

> Perhaps some elucidation here would be helpful. Are these
> delicacies akin to "Mountain Oysters"? ;-)

No, they're small meatballs made of ground ostrich (muscle) meat.

(All you guys can uncross your legs now.)

-- Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Back on duties
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:44:09 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:

Ave Sexte,

Please accept the warmest wishes for your continued recovery from all
of us in Provincia America Boreoccidentalis. This has been a very
hard year for you and your family, and we pray that better and
brighter times are ahead for you all!

---
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Back on duties
From:	Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:44:49 -0400

Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> writes:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am pleased to tell you that I am back on duties after a (too) long period
> of uncertainty.

Excellent news! Welcome back.

-- Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Back on duties
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:55:38 -0000

Salve Sexte!

I am glad to see you back and hope that you recover quickly. Your
return to NR amid your physical pain and mental stress with job
changing and reloocation clearly shows you are a true Roman with
great Stoic principles!

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@y...> writes:
>
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > I am pleased to tell you that I am back on duties after a (too)
long period
> > of uncertainty.
>
> Excellent news! Welcome back.
>
> -- Marinus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Back on duties
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:11:55 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Marine,

please to be on board again!! ;.)
How are you doing?

Vale,

Scipio

--- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net> wrote:
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > I am pleased to tell you that I am back on duties after a (too) long period
> > of uncertainty.
>
> Excellent news! Welcome back.
>
> -- Marinus
>


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Back on duties
From:	"Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia" <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:31:24 -0000

Welcome back! So good to see you here again!
Arnamentia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am pleased to tell you that I am back on duties after a (too)
long period of
> uncertainty.
> Concerning my health problem, I will not have any surgery. In
fact, I visited ten
> specialists and I almost got ten different stories about what
could happen during and
> after the surgery. So I decided not to go for it and I will try to
get some muscles (it
> is about time...) in order to compensate my broken back. I am
doing slightly better
> although the pain is still here.
> Concerning my job and the wrong insurance policy contracted by my
employer, they finally
> admitted their mistake and we are going, I hope, to settle in a
while (and quiet down at
> the same time...). So my job is secured, at least concerning this.
> Concerning my move in Paris, I have still not found something to
live in with my family.
> They are still in Frankfurt and I spent almost all my week ends
over there.
> For those who would like to contact me: +33 1 58550743 at my
office or +33 623922628 on
> my handy.
> For the time being, I have to get connected to the Internet from
my studio. This will
> take approx. one week.
> I would like to thank Nova Roma for its patience and confidence
shown during this period
> and for all the support I received. It is a pleasure and a rare
opportunity to be around
> so nice people.
>
> Valete,
>
>
>
> =====
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
> Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Polar Bears in the Arenas
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:58:28 -0400

It is also important to remember that the current habitat of the polar bear is much more limited than it was in the 1st C. According to the University of Chicago Natural History Museum, the skulls of polar bears from the Late Neolithic Period-Early Bronze Age in Europe have been recovered in areas of modern Denmark, Russia, & northern Germany.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] After Action Report -- Roman Days -- 2003
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:02:21 -0400 (EDT)

Honored Consuls Quintillianus and Labienus;

Esteemed Sirs:

I beg your leave to present you with a report on the subject event, from
the perspective of the Ludi Maximus Gladitori, and your honored servant
Marcus Minucius Audens.

I arrived on site after making my arrangements in a local sleeping villa
offered for the purpose. We immediately determined that the tent site
from the previous year, had been reserved for our use, and thereupon set
up our campsite on the Gladiator Field. Following the camp set-up and a
very nice talk with the Event Organizers, and Commander Amt of the XXth
Legion, my wife and I engaged in a liesurely and very pleasant nd
enjoyable luncheon with the owners and operators of the "Wren's Nest" --
our faithful Roman Sutlery and good friends, after which we returned to
our sleeping villa.

There, we were greeted by Senator Maximus, Tribune Diana Aventina and
Citizen Icundia Flavia among others. The "Wolf of Britain" was there
with his lovely wife, as well as Senator Cincinnatus and his two
children. Merlina joned us, and there was also a legionary from, I
believe, the XXth Legio, whose name I did not catch. After a greeting
and some discussion we settled upon having dinner together at the
"Bamboo Joint" a banquet establishment in the same building as the
sleeping villa. The table and dining room arrangements were very nice
but the meals were very slow, and much of the advertised menu was not
available. Not recommended in the future for dining exclusively. We
were joined there by Senators Cassius and Cassia, and the galla
discussions and revelling among old friends and the enjoyment of meeting
new ones, overcame the shortcomings of the eating establishment, to a
great degree. The establishment has no licence for the sale of wine, so
a cup of Falernian with the meal also had to be foregone. A sad comment
indeed!!!!!!!!!!

On Saturday morning, prior to dawn, the rain had already begun, and we
made our way to the event site for an early post-dawn meeting with the
"Summa Pallas" of the Ludi, (John Ebel). After the directions for the
day were passed on;-- Awards were made to the "Wolf Of Britain" (Mike
Catellier) Gladiator, which raised him to the position of "Primus
Pallas" (First / Senior Gladiator) of the Ludus, a Rudius Of Achevment
was presented to the "Summa Pallas" in recognition of his efforts and
success in the areas of the law, and the raising of the "Retarius From
Hel" (Al Barbato) to "Secundus Palus" (Second Gladiator). These awards
and appointments were made in the continuing process of establishing the
Ludus as a unit of reenactment, in and of itself. These awards and
appointments were approved and applauded by our Legion XXIVth Commander
Tribunus Militum Gallio, under whose auspices the Ludus now operates.

The remainder of the rainy Saturday was given over to relating
explanations and stories as appropriate to a few of the spectators who
braved the rain, and who stopped by to partake of a taste of Roman
culture. My Patrician Colleague, and fellow Civil Architecturas (Brian
Mackey) was there all day and we were pleased to share a significant
amount of data as well as a very enjoyable company. The Senator's tent
was often the focus for much visiting and fun. For my part, I must
report that in spite of the weather I found the company and spectator
interest to be well worth the minor weather concerns.

Saturday aftermoon saw the necessity of business with the arrival of
another engineering gentleman and his wife from Antioch. Saturday
Evening's supper and visiting time was spent in engineering discussions.

Sunday Morning, I asked the Gladiators to meet at the Senator's Tent for
a post-dawn meeting to plan the day's Events with the Ludus, and
determine what the Primus Palas had in mind. The plans were extensive
for a Sunday, and soon all were busy, laying out practice weapons,
special armor, and setting up the practice butt, and "dressing out" for
the day's events. The Gladiator's were in fine form and spent the
morning working out in thier assigned places. I had the very brief (an
"old man brief" -- Grin!!!!!) exercise with the Secundus Palus
("Retarius From Hel") on one hand he with net and trident and on the
other myself with my German Long Spear. Interesting that!!! -- not to
mention exhausting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How glad I am that
I am a talker and not a fighter!!!

In the afternoon we made ready to put on the Gladiator Show. The
Gladiators entered the Gladitorial Arena and were introduced. The
Master of the Games was pointed out to the spectators.The first fight
was between the two "Noxii" who were surrounded by a number of
Legionaries from Legion XX to form an escape proof amptheatre "ring".
These Legionaries were introduced and Legions XX and XXIV, the troops
and the Optio were cheered. The Roman Crowd was called together and
briefed on thier "responsibilities," Brian Mackey served as the Master
of the Games, sweating heavily over the happiness of the crowd and
appealing for considration to elevate him to a envied position in the
coming elections. Senator Maximus very generously agreed to act in the
arena as "lanistae." His precision and control therein was valuable in
all the presented actvities.

The "Noxii" were placed in a ring of legionaries and "Urged" to begin
fighting. The axe-man broke his axe upon the shield-man's buckler, and
another weapon was provided. Eventually the shield man prevailed, and
his opponent fell. Mercury hastened in with Charon following to insure
the man's death was final, with the red hot poker and black mallet, to
smash his skull.
His throat was cut, and his lifeless body dragged through the "Gates Of
Death" to his ultimate "reward."

The remaining Noxii began to get above himself and when the Narrator
asked if he was, in his own mind, now a "Gladiator" -- he replied that
he was!!!!! The Narrator then bade "the new Gladiator" to fight the
five heavily armed legionaries who then descended upon the miserable
wretch and overwhelmed him. He joined his frmer opponent in his final
resting place!!

The second match was between the "Wolf Of Britain" and the "Retarius
from Hel (The Underworld)"

(No expensive gladiator was purchased for a death match!! A defnite
reflection on the Master of the Games and his financial status)

This was a "point match" in which the determined victor was the
Retarious after a determined and skillful attack. The "Wolf" mounted
some vigorus attacks of his own, but an unfortunate step saw him downed.

An unplanned third match was held at the crowds clomoring insistance
with loud cries of "Wolf!, Wolf!!, Wolf!!!" -- and amid cries of scorn
for the Retarius. This third match was also a "point match" (victory
awarded on points allotted by the lanistae) and after some strenuous and
vicious attacks, the "Wolf" was downed again, and only the "point match"
designation saved the "Wolf's" life as the crowd wanted more blood, and
thier "favored one" changed in the blnk of an eye!!!!!

After the Gladiator Presentation, I had the honor to be approached by
two gentleman who asked me about the possibility of joining Legio VI,
and I spent a good part of the remainder of the afternoon discussing
with them what was needed in relation to thier kits and the
responsibilities of that position in reenactment.

My Architechturas Colleague carried on with the spectators which were
interested in our displays, and there were several photo sessions both
with the Legio XX and with the Senatorial Party.

My thanks to Legio XX for allowing Nova Roma to participate in "Roman
Days" and to Commander Amt particularly for his friendly and informative
welcome, and his invitations to take part with the XXth Legion in the
photo sessions.and the Event Coordinators and to the beautiful grounds
of the Marietta Mansion for an excellent event, and my thanks to the
"Wren's Nest" and the other sutlers, for adding that very realistic bit
of color to this event. I was very pleased to have the opportunity to
talk with old friends and meet new NR friends long known only by the
messages on the internet. The opportunity to be once again with friends
in Nova Roma was in my view well worth the trip, and the sustaining of
one day of rain.

My thanks also to the Curator Differum of the "Eagle." His enthusiasm
and generosity in showing the "Eagle" to the public, I thought was most
advantageous to Nova Roma, and went far beyond what was normally
expected of that officer.. Just senting up a shelter in the rain was
certanly indicative of his full interest, and then using that shelter
through the remainder of the weekend as a kind of a "gathering place"for
all kinds of discussions, was certainly a generous thought. I am
impressed!!!!

We finished the event with dinner at the "Safari" which had been
recommended to us by The Eagle Editor. Good call, my friend. There my
wife and I were joined by Cassius and Cassia, Diana, Merlina, and
Icundia. We finally and regretfully said our farewells, after a very
enjoyable dinner interlude and a great deal of merriment. With that
departure "Roman Days" had once again reached it's end for my wife and
I.

Citizens, while I have limited my discussion primarily to the Ludi
Maximus Gladitori, I must say that others who have listed the names of
those present and their pleasure at being with them , also has my total
agreement. My thanks also to the Excellent ProPraetor of the
MediaAtlantica Provincia and his lovely, witty and most enjoyable wife,
for their hospitality to thier lush green provincia!!

Of special mention must be the very lovely Tribune Diana Aventina who
crossed the storm tossed Mare Atlantica to be with us from her home in
Northern Gaul (Read Belgium.) It was a special treat to meet you, enjoy
your enthusiasm and share some ideas. Thank you for gracing us with
your company!!!

Very Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Senator, ProConsul, Tribunus Militum Laticlavius, Architecturas,
dispatched to Legio XXIVth's Commander Gallio --Part Owner of the Ludi
Maximus Gladitori and spokesman to the Ludus for his Most Honored and
Excellent Emperor Domitianus.

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: After Action Report -- Roman Days -- 2003
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:27:16 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Honored Consuls Quintillianus and Labienus;
>
> Esteemed Sirs:
>
> I beg your leave to present you with a report on the subject event,
from the perspective of the Ludi Maximus Gladitori, and your honored
servant Marcus Minucius Audens.

Ah, I delight in reading your after-action reports, as always, most
excellent Marce! It is nearly as good as being there in person, which
SOME year I certainly hope to schedule! Alas, my impending trip to
Rome made this year's Roman Days impossible for me. Now to see some
pictures from this year's event and I will be satisfied!

bene vale,

Julilla Sempronia Magna

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] After Action Report -- Roman Days -- 2003
From:	Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:28:03 -0400

Marcus Minucius Audens wrote, amid a lot of other stuff:

> ... My thanks also to the Excellent ProPraetor of the
> MediaAtlantica Provincia and his lovely, witty and most enjoyable wife,
> for their hospitality to thier lush green provincia!!

You're most kindly welcome Senator Audens. Paulina Gratidia
and I enjoyed your company immensely.

-- Marinus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: After Action Report -- Roman Days -- 2003
From:	Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:37:33 -0400

Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> writes:

> ... Now to see some
> pictures from this year's event and I will be satisfied!

Aulus Equitius took a number of pictures which will shortly
appear on the Legio XX website. I've copied one of them to
my own website, so that you and others may see what we all
looked like on Sunday afternoon.

http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~gawne/stash/RomanDays2003_1.jpg

On the far left of the image you see Senator Audens. In
the middle, you'll see Senator and Consular Lucius Equitius
Cincinnatus. Marcus Equitius Lentulus is at his shoulder,
and I stand next to and in front of Lentulus. My amazingly
talented legate, Merlinia Ambrosia, is kneeling on the grass
in front of everyone. On the far right you can see Aesilina,
Aulus' wife and she of the amazing Caupona.

Several members of the Ludus Magnus gladiatorial school are
kneeling across the front rank, while members of Legio XX,
XXX, and I are all around us.

-- Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: After Action Report -- Roman Days -- 2003
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:52:48 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:

> On the far left of the image you see Senator Audens. In
> the middle, you'll see Senator and Consular Lucius Equitius
> Cincinnatus. Marcus Equitius Lentulus is at his shoulder,
> and I stand next to and in front of Lentulus. My amazingly
> talented legate, Merlinia Ambrosia, is kneeling on the grass
> in front of everyone. On the far right you can see Aesilina,
> Aulus' wife and she of the amazing Caupona.
>
> Several members of the Ludus Magnus gladiatorial school are
> kneeling across the front rank, while members of Legio XX,
> XXX, and I are all around us.
>
> -- Marinus

Wonderful photo! More! More!

JSM

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Julilla Sempronia Magna is a sweetheart
From:	Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:57:53 -0400

The dear lady was looking at my lupercalia pictures and offered to do
the photoshop work necessary to put one online in my Album Civium
page at http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=2356

I think it looks very good, and I'd like to thank Julilla here in
public for her generous effort.

-- Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Latin Language
From:	JAG <jagramercy@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:09:45 -0700 (PDT)

G. Iulia Caesaria Victorinilla to G. Iulius Scaurus:

Gratias maximus for the very useful info you supplied below - these will be very helpful!


David Cramer (Univ. of Texas at Austin) has WAV files for "The
Pronunciation of Latin" at
http://www.utexas.edu/courses/cc303/sounds/

Resources for Classics provides "Read It Right! A Guide to the
Pronunciation of Classical Latin" as a downloadable file at
http://www.classicsnet.plus.com/readitright.htm

Both are free. Peter Jeffrey (Princeton Univ.) offers a "Bibliography
on the History of Latin Pronunciation" at
http://www.music.princeton.edu/~jeffery/pronunc.html , which is
probably a little advanced for a beginner, but cites just about
everything you'd like to know about the evolution of classical and
ecclesiastical Latin pronunciation. And don't worry over much about
mimicing a particular classical paradigm, since there is still a great
deal of debate among philologists about chronological and regional
variation in Latin phonology even in the classical period.



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Back on duties
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:40:31 -0000

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Sexte Apolloni Scipio.

I am *extremly* glad to see that bad times are ending for you. I hope
that the Gods will now bless you with much deserved happiness.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Julilla Sempronia Magna is a sweetheart
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:11:03 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> The dear lady was looking at my lupercalia pictures and offered to
do
> the photoshop work necessary to put one online in my Album Civium
> page at http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=2356
>
> I think it looks very good, and I'd like to thank Julilla here in
> public for her generous effort.
>
> -- Marinus

Awww, now you have made me blush! But I just have a THING for men in
togas!

JSM

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Julilla Sempronia Magna is a sweetheart
From:	"Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia" <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:27:09 -0000

> Awww, now you have made me blush! But I just have a THING for men
in
> togas!
>
> JSM

Who doesn't? ;-)

AMA