Category talk:Governors (Nova Roma) - Revision history

M. Lucretius Agricola: Thanks. Keep the status quo

2007-09-05T04:41:16Z

Thanks. Keep the status quo

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	Could we have a discussion on the pros and cons of putting this category in [[:Category:Magistrates (Nova Roma)]]? Are governors magistrates or not? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 16:38, 2 September 2007 (CEST)		Could we have a discussion on the pros and cons of putting this category in [[:Category:Magistrates (Nova Roma)]]? Are governors magistrates or not? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 16:38, 2 September 2007 (CEST)
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	::Maybe not. I just went Main Page-->Provinces, which lists the provinces; their Web sites; and the current governors, indicating what actual title each one goes by. I'm an outsider, a visitor, and no great navigator here...so it can't be ''that'' difficult. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 06:00, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		::Maybe not. I just went Main Page-->Provinces, which lists the provinces; their Web sites; and the current governors, indicating what actual title each one goes by. I'm an outsider, a visitor, and no great navigator here...so it can't be ''that'' difficult. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 06:00, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:::'''Good Enough For Me.''' Thank you all. Governors will stay put. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 06:41, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: found governors

2007-09-05T04:00:51Z

found governors

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	:Have we any reason to believe that people are having trouble finding governors? My inclination is to leave things as they are unless there's a real problem.		:Have we any reason to believe that people are having trouble finding governors? My inclination is to leave things as they are unless there's a real problem.
	:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 14:29, 4 September 2007 (CEST)		:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 14:29, 4 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::Maybe not. I just went Main Page-->Provinces, which lists the provinces; their Web sites; and the current governors, indicating what actual title each one goes by. I'm an outsider, a visitor, and no great navigator here...so it can't be ''that'' difficult. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 06:00, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

Aulus Apollonius Cordus: Is there actually a problem?

2007-09-04T12:29:33Z

Is there actually a problem?

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	How we categorize them doesn't make law. One plus I would see is that it might make governors easier to find for the average person. The negative would be that we would be implying a status that does not, (at least clearly) exist. Where is the balance point on this? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 05:09, 4 September 2007 (CEST)		How we categorize them doesn't make law. One plus I would see is that it might make governors easier to find for the average person. The negative would be that we would be implying a status that does not, (at least clearly) exist. Where is the balance point on this? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 05:09, 4 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:Have we any reason to believe that people are having trouble finding governors? My inclination is to leave things as they are unless there's a real problem.
		+	:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 14:29, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

M. Lucretius Agricola: /* Magistrates */ on the one hand...

2007-09-04T03:09:53Z

Magistrates: on the one hand...

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	::This question is as old as the Republic. When my provincial governor, Scipio Hyeanius Africanus, recruited me in Iul 1998, he expressed a desire to make me a "local magistrate" (his term) for the Dallas area (he was in San Antonio). Never did get to find out what he meant. The question came up of whether provincial magistrates or appointees had to take the oath of office. The original oath made it mandatory for NR magistrates to conduct (not just participate in) rites to the gods of Rome. Myself being a Christian, this could have presented difficulties... Big fuss. Our first schism, maybe; it's in the old (onsite) NR List archives. The oath was eventually modified; and when I became Propraetor America Austroccidentalis myself, I was required to take it...so at least as of '99, a provincial governor was considered an oath-taking magistrate. Not sure how much light that sheds on things nowadays. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:12, 3 September 2007 (CEST)		::This question is as old as the Republic. When my provincial governor, Scipio Hyeanius Africanus, recruited me in Iul 1998, he expressed a desire to make me a "local magistrate" (his term) for the Dallas area (he was in San Antonio). Never did get to find out what he meant. The question came up of whether provincial magistrates or appointees had to take the oath of office. The original oath made it mandatory for NR magistrates to conduct (not just participate in) rites to the gods of Rome. Myself being a Christian, this could have presented difficulties... Big fuss. Our first schism, maybe; it's in the old (onsite) NR List archives. The oath was eventually modified; and when I became Propraetor America Austroccidentalis myself, I was required to take it...so at least as of '99, a provincial governor was considered an oath-taking magistrate. Not sure how much light that sheds on things nowadays. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:12, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	How we categorize them doesn't make law. One plus I would see is that it might make governors easier to find for the average person. The negative would be that we would be implying a status that does not, (at least clearly) exist. Where is the balance point on this? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 05:09, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: fix date

2007-09-03T18:14:01Z

fix date

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−	::This question is as old as the Republic. When my provincial governor, Scipio Hyeanius Africanus, recruited me in Iul ~~1999~~, he expressed a desire to make me a "local magistrate" (his term) for the Dallas area (he was in San Antonio). Never did get to find out what he meant. The question came up of whether provincial magistrates or appointees had to take the oath of office. The original oath made it mandatory for NR magistrates to conduct (not just participate in) rites to the gods of Rome. Myself being a Christian, this could have presented difficulties... Big fuss. Our first schism, maybe; it's in the old (onsite) NR List archives. The oath was eventually modified; and when I became Propraetor America Austroccidentalis myself, I was required to take it...so at least as of '99, a provincial governor was considered an oath-taking magistrate. Not sure how much light that sheds on things nowadays. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:12, 3 September 2007 (CEST)	+	::This question is as old as the Republic. When my provincial governor, Scipio Hyeanius Africanus, recruited me in Iul 1998, he expressed a desire to make me a "local magistrate" (his term) for the Dallas area (he was in San Antonio). Never did get to find out what he meant. The question came up of whether provincial magistrates or appointees had to take the oath of office. The original oath made it mandatory for NR magistrates to conduct (not just participate in) rites to the gods of Rome. Myself being a Christian, this could have presented difficulties... Big fuss. Our first schism, maybe; it's in the old (onsite) NR List archives. The oath was eventually modified; and when I became Propraetor America Austroccidentalis myself, I was required to take it...so at least as of '99, a provincial governor was considered an oath-taking magistrate. Not sure how much light that sheds on things nowadays. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:12, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: An age-old question indeed

2007-09-03T18:12:59Z

An age-old question indeed

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	:An interesting question. My instinct is that governors are not magistrates, or at least that they don't fall entirely comfortably within that class. For what it's worth, the ''lex constitutiva'' doesn't classify them as such, though in my opinion the ''lex constitutiva'' isn't worth much. The recent change of technical terms has complicated the matter somewhat. The term 'governor' can now refer to a ''proconsul'', a ''propraetor'', or a ''legatus pro praetore''. In ancient Roman law a ''proconsul'' and a ''propraetor'' are magistrates, though lacking some of the normal characteristics of magistrates, but a ''legatus pro praetore'' is decidedly not a magistrate. The majority of our governors are, and for some time probably will be, ''legati pro praetore''. Given the difficulties, I'm inclined to think that it's safer to classify governors as a different animal for the time being. One day the whole messy business of governors in Nova Roma will be sorted out.		:An interesting question. My instinct is that governors are not magistrates, or at least that they don't fall entirely comfortably within that class. For what it's worth, the ''lex constitutiva'' doesn't classify them as such, though in my opinion the ''lex constitutiva'' isn't worth much. The recent change of technical terms has complicated the matter somewhat. The term 'governor' can now refer to a ''proconsul'', a ''propraetor'', or a ''legatus pro praetore''. In ancient Roman law a ''proconsul'' and a ''propraetor'' are magistrates, though lacking some of the normal characteristics of magistrates, but a ''legatus pro praetore'' is decidedly not a magistrate. The majority of our governors are, and for some time probably will be, ''legati pro praetore''. Given the difficulties, I'm inclined to think that it's safer to classify governors as a different animal for the time being. One day the whole messy business of governors in Nova Roma will be sorted out.
	:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:55, 3 September 2007 (CEST)		:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:55, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::This question is as old as the Republic. When my provincial governor, Scipio Hyeanius Africanus, recruited me in Iul 1999, he expressed a desire to make me a "local magistrate" (his term) for the Dallas area (he was in San Antonio). Never did get to find out what he meant. The question came up of whether provincial magistrates or appointees had to take the oath of office. The original oath made it mandatory for NR magistrates to conduct (not just participate in) rites to the gods of Rome. Myself being a Christian, this could have presented difficulties... Big fuss. Our first schism, maybe; it's in the old (onsite) NR List archives. The oath was eventually modified; and when I became Propraetor America Austroccidentalis myself, I was required to take it...so at least as of '99, a provincial governor was considered an oath-taking magistrate. Not sure how much light that sheds on things nowadays. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:12, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Aulus Apollonius Cordus: /* Magistrates */ Maybe, but...

2007-09-03T17:55:21Z

Magistrates: Maybe, but...

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	Could we have a discussion on the pros and cons of putting this category in [[:Category:Magistrates (Nova Roma)]]? Are governors magistrates or not? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 16:38, 2 September 2007 (CEST)		Could we have a discussion on the pros and cons of putting this category in [[:Category:Magistrates (Nova Roma)]]? Are governors magistrates or not? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 16:38, 2 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:An interesting question. My instinct is that governors are not magistrates, or at least that they don't fall entirely comfortably within that class. For what it's worth, the ''lex constitutiva'' doesn't classify them as such, though in my opinion the ''lex constitutiva'' isn't worth much. The recent change of technical terms has complicated the matter somewhat. The term 'governor' can now refer to a ''proconsul'', a ''propraetor'', or a ''legatus pro praetore''. In ancient Roman law a ''proconsul'' and a ''propraetor'' are magistrates, though lacking some of the normal characteristics of magistrates, but a ''legatus pro praetore'' is decidedly not a magistrate. The majority of our governors are, and for some time probably will be, ''legati pro praetore''. Given the difficulties, I'm inclined to think that it's safer to classify governors as a different animal for the time being. One day the whole messy business of governors in Nova Roma will be sorted out.
		+	:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:55, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

M. Lucretius Agricola: Place as a sub of the Magistrates cat?

2007-09-02T14:38:17Z

Place as a sub of the Magistrates cat?

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==Magistrates==

Could we have a discussion on the pros and cons of putting this category in [[:Category:Magistrates (Nova Roma)]]? Are governors magistrates or not? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 16:38, 2 September 2007 (CEST)