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Votes and opinions

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	The following senator has made a voting commentary: LSAO: "I am in favor of appointing a replacement. There appears to be at least one volunteer."		The following senator has made a voting commentary: LSAO: "I am in favor of appointing a replacement. There appears to be at least one volunteer."


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−	***Item VII - Appointment of Governor of Provincia Lacus Magni
−	~~M. Scipiadus Scipio Africanus is hearby appointed as propraetor of~~
−	~~Lacus Magni on January 1st, at the end of the current Praetor's term.~~

−	PASSED 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0	+	Valete

−	~~ABSTENTIONS~~

−	~~PC: UTI ROGAS (yes). I am not familiar with Africanus, but~~
−	~~his recommendation by Octavius must serve as a powerful argument in his~~
−	~~favor.~~
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−	~~MJC: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~LCSF: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~LEC: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~QFM: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~CFD: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~AGG: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~AICPM: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~DIPI: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~TLF: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~CMM: UTI ROGAS (I think that we should address and refer to~~
−	~~this citizen as M Scipio Africanus, as he signed his letter to the Senate)~~
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−	~~MOG: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~LSAO: UTI ROGAS M. Scipiadus appears qualified, and M.~~
−	~~Octavius' recommendation carries much weight.~~
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−	~~GTTC: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~FVG: UTI ROGAS~~
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−	~~Valete~~

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2.1. Venedia : Marcus Apollonius Formosanus

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	=='''ITEM II - Appointment of governors'''==		=='''ITEM II - Appointment of governors'''==

−	===2.1. Venedia : Marcus Apollonius Formosanus===	+	===2.1. Venedia : Marcus Apollonius Formosanus shall be appointed===

	===Results===		===Results===

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2.2. Lacus Magni: xx xxx xxx

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−	===2.2. Lacus Magni: ~~xx xxx xxx~~===	+	===2.2. Lacus Magni: M. Scipiadus Scipio Africanus shall be appointed===
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		+	====Proposal====
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		+	The appointment will take effect on next Jan 1st, at the end of the current Praetor's term.
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		+	====Results====
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		+	15 UR, 0 ABS., 0 ANT.: the item has '''passed''': '''M. Scipiadus Scipio Africanus''' is appointed.
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		+	====Votes and opinions====
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		+	The three following senators have made a voting commentary:
		+	*PC: UTI ROGAS (yes). I am not familiar with Africanus, but his recommendation by Octavius must serve as a powerful argument in his favor.
		+	*CMM: UTI ROGAS (I think that we should address and refer to this citizen as M Scipio Africanus, as he signed his letter to the Senate)
		+	*LSAO: UTI ROGAS M. Scipiadus appears qualified, and M. Octavius' recommendation carries much weight.
		+	<br>

	=='''ITEM III - Official Language Policy'''==		=='''ITEM III - Official Language Policy'''==

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'''ITEM II - Appointment of governors'''

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		+	===2.2. Lacus Magni: xx xxx xxx===

	=='''ITEM III - Official Language Policy'''==		=='''ITEM III - Official Language Policy'''==

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Venedia : Marcus Apollonius Formosanus

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−	===Venedia : Marcus Apollonius Formosanus===	+	===2.1. Venedia : Marcus Apollonius Formosanus===

	===Results===		===Results===

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{{Senate Session|Nov|15|2001}}

Senate action for 15 November 2754 as posted in the “old Tabularium”
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Censor 9 August 2761 A.V.C.

Senatvs Consvlta
Senate Voting Results
15 November MMDCCLIV
as published by tribune Titus Labienus Fortunatus

Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD

The Senate has finished its latest session, and the votes have been
tallied. Once again, I ask each Senator who voted to make sure that I
have correctly reported his vote and any comments he may have made.

Additionally, I would like to apologize for the tardiness of this
report, which should have been issued yesterday. Unfortunately,
Iuppiter's fulminations and a series of power outages prevented me from
performing my duty in a timely manner.

Finally, note that the agenda changed slightly during the Senate's
debates. I am therefore reproducing the final agenda below. The
changes were minor and reasonable, and were not objected to by any Senator.

The following 15 Senatores cast votes. They are referred to below by
their initials, and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen.
Patricia Cassia (PC)
Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (LCSF)
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (LEC)
Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD)
Antonius Gryllus Graecus (AGG)
Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonius (AICPM)
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)
Gaius Marius Merullus (GMM)
Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)
Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero (GTTC)
Flavius Vedius Germanicus (FVG)

The following Senatores did not vote.
Marcus Iunius Iulianus
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Marcus Minucius Audens

"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote
against, and "ABSTINEO" is an abstention.

***ITEM I: Diplomatic recognition of the Kingdom of TorHavn
Whereas, the micronation known as the Kingdom of TorHavn shares with
Nova Roma a commitment to seriousness of purpose, aspires to] true
sovereignty, and exhibits a stability of action and activity, Nova Roma
hereby grants official recognition to the Kingdom of] TorHavn as a
sovereign entity and equal in the world community.

*FAILED* 1 FOR, 10 AGAINST, 4 ABSTENTIONS

PC: ANTIQUO (No). I would like to again encourage that we develop a
set of official criteria for evaluating these applications, and will
continue to vote against them until I have some standards to go by.

MJC: ABSTINEO I will be happy to consider this issue again when the
policy of Nova Roma regarding such issues has been updated.

LCSF: ABSTINEO

LEC: ANTIQUO

QFM: ANTIQUO In so far as recognition of a fellow micronation reflects
also on Nova Roma, and it's ideals, TorHavn does not IMO deserve
recognition from us at this time.

CFD: ANTIQUO

AGG: ANTIQUO

AICPM: ANTIQUO A recognition of any micro or macronation is a very
serious act. The positive vote require a detail knowkledge on goals and
structure of this kingdom. Actually we could always recognize them
later. So, to ballance the positive votes of colleagues Senators I
shall vote "No".

DIPI: ANTIQUO I would favor granting some recognition to Torhaven
at some point once we establish a stricter system for judging other
micronations. Up until this point we have had a high bar for other
micronations to reach--essentially we require a high level of
seriousness comparable to ours. Torhaven comes nowhere near to reaching
that level of seriousness. They are tiny (despite being just a year
younger than us), have a vague focus as to what they stand for and have
obscure goals. They do aspire and claim to be serious however and I
would favor at some point granting them a type of lesser reconition
under a tiered system of foreign relations once we put that policy in
place.

TLF: ANTIQUO

CMM: ANTIQUO
MOG: ABSTINEO; only because we should first establish a formal policy
and set of criteria for evaluating micronations. I certainly have
nothing against TorHavn, and hope to recognize them in the future.

LSAO: ABSTINEO I think that the suggestion to update our policy on
recognition of other micronational entities before proceeding with this
question, is a wise one.
GTTC:
ANTIQUO
FVG : UTI ROGAS TorHavn has agreed to mutual recognition pending our
own approval of the measure.

***ITEM II: Appointment of Governor of Provincia Venedia

Marcus Apollonius Formosanus is hereby appointed propraetor of
provincia Venedia.

*FAILED* 3 FOR, 11 AGAINST, 1

ABSTENTION

PC: ANTIQUO (No). Formosanus has many fine qualities, but I do
not believe he has demonstrated the dignitas necessary for a governor.

MCJ:
ANTIQUO
LCSF:
ANTIQUO

LEC:
ANTIQUO

QFM: ANTIQUO I had mixed feelings about this.
Nevertheless I'm not entirely convinced Marcus Apollonius is only on his best
behavior to get this seat. I need to see a sustained effort, with no gain before
I'm sure he's changed.

CFD: UTI ROGAS I'm sure that this should be done due to the reasons
I mentioned in this august body.

AGG: ANTIQUO Although I think Formosanus is a valuable citizen in
other aspects (namely for the promotion of Latin language), I don't think
he can serve well our Respublica as
governor.

AICPM: ABSTINEO I do remember how we were discussing whether to
put this issue to vote or to reject the candidacy of Formosanus. I have
tempt you to put it into Senate vote. On the other hand I also remember that
I have promised to abstain from voting "Yes".

DIPI: ANTIQUO Formosanus has not shown the goodwill to work with
the magistrates and the Senate for the good of Nova Roma.

TLF: UTI ROGAS The cives Venediae have unanimously endorsed
M Apollonius. And, while there has been substantial friction between
him and many members of this Senate, I believe that he will do his best
to foster an active provincia if appointed. Active provinciae
are immensely important to the Respublica, as they, more than anything
else, will foster a committed and active citizenry that goes beyond
the Internet. This is more important than personal and
political differences of opinion. And, should we absolutely fail to be able
to work with each other, this body can remove him from the office at any
time.

CMM: ANTIQUO I vote no. I believe that Formosanus is the
strongest Latinist in Nova Roma, and has a great deal to contribute to Nova
Roma. I cannot, however, see fit to appointing him to such a vital
position given his history of of raising strife and fomenting discontent
against the Senate and
magistrates.

MOG:
ANTIQUO
LSAO: ANTIQUO I am not convinced that M. Apollonius Formosanus has
in mind the best interests of Nova Roma as a Roman Republic. His zeal
for modernizing it it still worries
me.
GTTC: UTI ROGAS

FVG : ANTIQUO

***ITEM III: Official Language Policy

I. Due to the increasingly intermacronational nature of the
Citizenship of Nova Roma, it has become necessary for the official language
policy of the Republic to be defined, in such a way that acknowledges
our historical antecedants, practical concerns, and] the sensibilities
of all of our Citizens. To that end, this Senatus Consultum is

adopted. II. Latin is hereby adopted as the official ceremonial language of
Nova Roma. As such, it shall be used in rites conducted by the
curule magistrates and appointed priests of Nova Roma on behalf of the
entire nation, as well as other circumstances where it may be deemed

appropriate. III. English is hereby adopted as the business language of Nova
Roma's central government. As such, it shall be used in official
communications from and day-to-day business conducted by the central
government (defined for purposes of this proviso as the Senate and
non-provincial magistrates). Other languages may be used in such communications
where deemed appropriate, but an English translation must accompany
such communications.

IV. The Curator Sermo shall have the authority to set language]
policy for those communications fora under his administration.

V. This policy does not effect in any way languages used in official
or unofficial provincial fora, fora maintained by official Sodalitates,
or private fora (including but not limited to email lists organized]
by private Citizens).

*PASSED* 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0

ABSTENTIONS

PC: UTI ROGAS (yes). This is a very sensible policy and I
thank Merullus for drafting it.

MJC: UTI ROGAS

LCSF: UTI ROGAS

LEC: UTI ROGAS

QFM: UTI ROGAS Marius explained the reasons quite eloquently

CFD: UTI ROGAS

AGG: UTI ROGAS Although I think that magistrates and senators
should make an effort to learn the basics of Latin.
AICPM: UTI ROGAS

DIPI: UTI ROGAS A sound idea that has my wholehearted
support.

TLF: UTI ROGAS

CMM: UTI ROGAS I vote yes. The value of this consultum in my view
is its recognition of Latin as official ceremonial language, which
I believe can only help us in the long
run.

MOG: UTI ROGAS (MOG originally voted ANTIQUO; the words "de facto"
are incorrect. Once this is removed I will vote "yes".)

LSAO: UTI ROGAS

GTTC: UTI ROGAS

FVG : UTI

ROGAS ***Item IV - Age Exemption for Sextus Apollonius
Draco Sextus Apollonius Draco has placed a second request before this body
to be granted an age exemption to stand as a magisterial candidate in
the upcoming elections. Does the Senate Grant his request? (Requires a
2/3 majority to pass.)

*PASSED* 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0

ABSTENTIONS

PC: UTI ROGAS (yes). Draco has established a record of service to
Nova Roma and I believe he is qualified to run for
office.

MJC: UTI ROGAS I believe that Draco is well deserving of this chance
to stand as a candidate, and would do a fine job if elected.
LCSF: UTI ROGAS
LEC: UTI ROGAS

QFM: UTI ROGAS I believe based on the maturity shown in his
ducussions, he is ready.

CFD: UTI ROGAS

AGG: UTI ROGAS

AICPM: UTI ROGAS The initiative on serving the Republic may
to be supported

DIPI: UTI ROGAS Draco has consistently put the future of Nova Roma
ahead of any personal agenda and has a seriousness beyond his years.

TLF: UTI ROGAS If there's anyone who deserves such an exemption,
it's Sextus Apollonius.

CMM: UTI ROGAS

MOG: UTI ROGAS No one is more deserving. He has proved
his commitment time and time again.

LSAO: UTI ROGAS I think it is time for the Republic to avail
itself of S. Apollonius' intelligence and enthusiasm.

GTTC: UTI ROGAS

FVG : UTI ROGAS

***Item V - Age Exemption for Tiberius Apollonius
Cicatrix Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix has placed a request before this body to
be granted an age exemption to stand as a magisterial candidate in
the upcoming elections. Does the Senate grant this request? (Requires a
2/3 majority to pass.

*PASSED* 11 FOR, 2 AGAINST, 2

ABSTENTIONS

PC: ANTIQUO (no). While Tiberius Apollonius seems to have
some excellent ideas, I would prefer to see him serve NR in some
other position before judging his fitness for
office.

MJC: UTI ROGAS Although this is Tiberius Appolonius Cicatrix'
fist application for age exemption, he

seems

to have both an excellent

background and good ideas for his hoped-for position as aedilis
plebis.

LCSF: UTI ROGAS

LEC: UTI ROGAS

QFM: ABSTINEO

CFD: UTI ROGAS

AGG: UTI ROGAS

AICPM: UTI ROGAS for the same reasons as above.

DIPI: UTI ROGAS

TLF: UTI ROGAS

CMM: UTI ROGAS

MOG: ABSTINEO; I really don't know anything about him.

LSAO: UTI ROGAS I vote for an exemption for Tiberius Apollonius
Cicatrix.

GTTC: UTI ROGAS

FVG : ANTIQUO

***Item VI - The Senate appoints Caius Puteus Germanicus as Rogator
to replace C. Moravius, who has recently resigned.

*PASSED* 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0

ABSTENTIONS

PC: UTI ROGAS (yes).

MJC: UTI ROGAS

LCSF: UTI ROGAS

LEC: UTI ROGAS

QFM: UTI ROGAS

CFD: UTI ROGAS

AGG: UTI ROGAS

AICPM: UTI ROGAS

DIPI: UTI ROGAS

TLF: UTI ROGAS

CMM: UTI ROGAS

MOG: UTI ROGAS

LSAO: UTI ROGAS I am in favor of appointing a replacement. There
appears to be at least one volunteer.
GTTC: UTI ROGAS

FVG: UTI ROGAS

***Item VII - Appointment of Governor of Provincia Lacus Magni
M. Scipiadus Scipio Africanus is hearby appointed as propraetor of
Lacus Magni on January 1st, at the end of the current Praetor's term.

*PASSED* 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0

ABSTENTIONS

PC: UTI ROGAS (yes). I am not familiar with Africanus, but
his recommendation by Octavius must serve as a powerful argument in his
favor.

MJC: UTI ROGAS

LCSF: UTI ROGAS

LEC: UTI ROGAS

QFM: UTI ROGAS

CFD: UTI ROGAS

AGG: UTI ROGAS

AICPM: UTI ROGAS

DIPI: UTI ROGAS

TLF: UTI ROGAS

CMM: UTI ROGAS (I think that we should address and refer to
this citizen as M Scipio Africanus, as he signed his letter to the Senate)

MOG: UTI ROGAS

LSAO: UTI ROGAS M. Scipiadus appears qualified, and M.
Octavius' recommendation carries much weight.

GTTC: UTI ROGAS

FVG: UTI ROGAS

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