Talk:Martiania - Revision history

Aulus Apollonius Cordus: Yes, quite.

2007-09-04T12:35:54Z

Yes, quite.

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	::I don't think we should to go here. I was only allowed to become a citizen after the gens agreed to a name change from ''gens'' Martian'''a''' to ''gens'' Martian'''ia''' as required by the censors. I would prefer to fix up any problems (one at a time) that this spelling change has caused. -- [[User:Marcus Martianius Lupus\|Lupus]] 13:23, 3 September 2007 (HST)		::I don't think we should to go here. I was only allowed to become a citizen after the gens agreed to a name change from ''gens'' Martian'''a''' to ''gens'' Martian'''ia''' as required by the censors. I would prefer to fix up any problems (one at a time) that this spelling change has caused. -- [[User:Marcus Martianius Lupus\|Lupus]] 13:23, 3 September 2007 (HST)
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		+	:::Yes, Peregrine, you're right - the spelling is in fact one of the three things which tell us that the "Martianus" in this astronomer's name is not his ''nomen''. The first is that in the 5th century there was really no such thing as a ''nomen'' any more. The second is that a person's ''nomen'' is always his second name, not his first. The third is that ''nomina'' almost always end with -ius rather than -us. So it's not his ''nomen''. And since it's not his ''nomen'', it doesn't make him a member of this ''gens''. So he doesn't belong in this article. And since he's the only thing in this article, this article should probably go. But I'll hold off deleting it for a little while in case something else turns up.
		+	:::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 14:35, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

Marcus Martianius Lupus at 23:27, 3 September 2007

2007-09-03T23:27:35Z

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	:And anyway, wouldn't it have been ''gens'' Martian'''us''' rather than ''gens'' Martian'''ius'''? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:22, 3 September 2007 (CEST)		:And anyway, wouldn't it have been ''gens'' Martian'''us''' rather than ''gens'' Martian'''ius'''? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:22, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::I don't think we should to go here. I was only allowed to become a citizen after the gens agreed to a name change from ''gens'' Martian'''a''' to ''gens'' Martian'''ia''' as required by the censors. I would prefer to fix up any problems (one at a time) that this spelling change has caused. -- [[User:Marcus Martianius Lupus\|Lupus]] 13:23, 3 September 2007 (HST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: gens name sp?

2007-09-03T18:22:48Z

gens name sp?

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		+	:And anyway, wouldn't it have been ''gens'' Martian'''us''' rather than ''gens'' Martian'''ius'''? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:22, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Aulus Apollonius Cordus: Doubts about this page.

2007-09-03T18:04:14Z

Doubts about this page.

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The system of ''gentes'' had completely broken down long before the 5th century A.D. and no person who lived in that period can legitimately said to be a member of any particular ''gens''. Moreover, the name of this particular individual (Martianus Minneus Felix Capella) shows that if he can be said to have been a member of any ''gens'' at all it would have been the ''gens'' Minnea, not the ''gens'' Martiania.

- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 20:04, 3 September 2007 (CEST)