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Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus: /* The classical toga - theories about its shape */

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The classical toga - theories about its shape

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	== The classical toga - theories about its shape ==		== The classical toga - theories about its shape ==
−	But having this new fashion of ~~drapping~~ and the large measure of the material, they had a problem caused by the lots of material in the corners '''"x"''' and '''"y"'''. The last end of the toga falling from the back and its first part under the visible ~~drapping~~ downstage were getting to be very unwieldy, because, if the corners are not enough narrow, the first and last parts of the toga become too podgy that makes it very bad to drap. Also, the Roman aristocracy continued to increase the width of the toga to have a larger ''sinus'', and it caused even more problems because of those corners with "too much material", so finally they simply started to cut down the corners:	+	But having this new fashion of draping and the large measure of the material, they had a problem caused by the lots of material in the corners '''"x"''' and '''"y"'''. The last end of the toga falling from the back and its first part under the visible draping downstage were getting to be very unwieldy, because, if the corners are not enough narrow, the first and last parts of the toga become too podgy that makes it very bad to drap. Also, the Roman aristocracy continued to increase the width of the toga to have a larger ''sinus'', and it caused even more problems because of those corners with "too much material", so finally they simply started to cut down the corners:

	'''"Theory 1"'''		'''"Theory 1"'''

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus at 12:58, 18 August 2008

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	== The classical toga - theories about its shape ==		== The classical toga - theories about its shape ==
−	But having this new fashion of drapping and the large measure of the material, they had problem caused by the lots of material in the corners '''"x"''' and '''"y"'''. The last end of the toga falling from the back and its first part under the visible drapping downstage were getting to be very unwieldy, because if the corners are not enough narrow, the first and last parts of the toga become too podgy ~~which~~ makes it very bad to drap. Also, the Roman aristocracy continued to increase the width of the toga to have a larger ''sinus'', and it caused even more problems because of those corners with "too much material", so finally they simply started to cut down the corners:	+	But having this new fashion of drapping and the large measure of the material, they had a problem caused by the lots of material in the corners '''"x"''' and '''"y"'''. The last end of the toga falling from the back and its first part under the visible drapping downstage were getting to be very unwieldy, because, if the corners are not enough narrow, the first and last parts of the toga become too podgy that makes it very bad to drap. Also, the Roman aristocracy continued to increase the width of the toga to have a larger ''sinus'', and it caused even more problems because of those corners with "too much material", so finally they simply started to cut down the corners:

	'''"Theory 1"'''		'''"Theory 1"'''

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus at 12:53, 18 August 2008

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	== The primitive toga ==		== The primitive toga ==
−	This was original semicircular form in the republican times until the ~~1st~~ century BC, which can be seen [http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/toga3.jpg on this statue]:	+	This was the original semicircular form in the republican times until the end of the 2nd century BC, which can be seen [http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/toga3.jpg on this statue]:


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	== The classical toga - theories about its shape ==		== The classical toga - theories about its shape ==
−	But having this new fashion of drapping and the large measure of the material, they had problem ~~with it~~'s falling from the back and ~~in the~~ first part under the visible drapping downstage, ~~caused by~~ the ~~lots of material in~~ the ~~corners "x"~~ and ~~"y"~~. Also, ~~they~~ continued to increase the width to have a larger sinus, and it caused even more problems because of those "too much material" ~~corners~~, so they simply started to cut down the corners:	+	But having this new fashion of drapping and the large measure of the material, they had problem caused by the lots of material in the corners '''"x"''' and '''"y"'''. The last end of the toga falling from the back and its first part under the visible drapping downstage were getting to be very unwieldy, because if the corners are not enough narrow, the first and last parts of the toga become too podgy which makes it very bad to drap. Also, the Roman aristocracy continued to increase the width of the toga to have a larger ''sinus'', and it caused even more problems because of those corners with "too much material", so finally they simply started to cut down the corners:

	'''"Theory 1"'''		'''"Theory 1"'''

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus at 09:03, 18 August 2008

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	But having this new fashion of drapping and the large measure of the material, they had problem with it's falling from the back and in the first part under the visible drapping downstage, caused by the lots of material in the corners "x" and "y". Also, they continued to increase the width to have a larger sinus, and it caused even more problems because of those "too much material" corners, so they simply started to cut down the corners:		But having this new fashion of drapping and the large measure of the material, they had problem with it's falling from the back and in the first part under the visible drapping downstage, caused by the lots of material in the corners "x" and "y". Also, they continued to increase the width to have a larger sinus, and it caused even more problems because of those "too much material" corners, so they simply started to cut down the corners:

		+	'''"Theory 1"'''

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	An other hypothesis says that they cut it down in a semicircular way, so they had an oval, ellipsis-like shape:		An other hypothesis says that they cut it down in a semicircular way, so they had an oval, ellipsis-like shape:

		+	'''"Theory 2"'''

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	I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.		I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.

−	In the photo at right, you can see my classical toga wich is made according to the "~~Theoroy~~ 1":	+	In the photo at right, you can see my classical toga wich is made according to the "Theory 1":
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		+	Please compare it yourselves with ones on the Roman statues, like [http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7094/titus3.jpg this], or [http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/nerochild.jpg this], or [http://www.virginia.edu/artmuseum/WE_List_Large/images/Togata-5.jpg this] and so on...

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus: /* SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA */

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SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA

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	[[Image:Lentulus togatus.jpg.jpeg\|right\|\|220px]]		[[Image:Lentulus togatus.jpg.jpeg\|right\|\|220px]]
	I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.		I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.
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		+	In the photo at right, you can see my classical toga wich is made according to the "Theoroy 1":

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus at 08:53, 18 August 2008

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	=== SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA ===		=== SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA ===
−	[[Image:Lentulus togatus.jpg.jpeg]]	+	[[Image:Lentulus togatus.jpg.jpeg\|right\|\|220px]]
	I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.		I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus at 08:50, 18 August 2008

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	=== SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA ===		=== SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA ===
−	[[Image:Lentulus togatus.jpg]]	+	[[Image:Lentulus togatus.jpg.jpeg]]
	I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.		I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus at 08:49, 18 August 2008

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	=== SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA ===		=== SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA ===
		+	[[Image:Lentulus togatus.jpg]]
	I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.		I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus at 08:46, 18 August 2008

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−	The original semicircular form in the republican times until the 1st century BC, which can be seen [http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/toga3.jpg on this statue]:	+	== The primitive toga ==
		+	This was original semicircular form in the republican times until the 1st century BC, which can be seen [http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/toga3.jpg on this statue]:


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		+	== Development during the 2nd-1st centuries BC ==
	In the end of the 2nd century BC, the aristocracy started to enlarge their toga to have a more impressive drapping. They increased the width of the material bigger and bigger through the decades:		In the end of the 2nd century BC, the aristocracy started to enlarge their toga to have a more impressive drapping. They increased the width of the material bigger and bigger through the decades:

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		+	== The classical toga - theories about its shape ==
	But having this new fashion of drapping and the large measure of the material, they had problem with it's falling from the back and in the first part under the visible drapping downstage, caused by the lots of material in the corners "x" and "y". Also, they continued to increase the width to have a larger sinus, and it caused even more problems because of those "too much material" corners, so they simply started to cut down the corners:		But having this new fashion of drapping and the large measure of the material, they had problem with it's falling from the back and in the first part under the visible drapping downstage, caused by the lots of material in the corners "x" and "y". Also, they continued to increase the width to have a larger sinus, and it caused even more problems because of those "too much material" corners, so they simply started to cut down the corners:

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−	SUMMARY:	+	=== SUMMARY: THE SHAPE OF THE CLASSICAL TOGA ===
−		+	I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate. I think "classical toga" is a better name for this variant, because it is which became the most symbolical and characteristical version of the Roman toga.
−	I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate.	+

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus at 08:36, 18 August 2008

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		+	SUMMARY:

	I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate.		I think that the even cutting is more likely because it is a more simple solution; anyway, they now had [http://www.romancoins.info/p-augustus-statue-vat.JPG this variant of the toga] that is called "imperial", and was worn during the principate.