The Fimbria controversies (Nova Roma) - Revision history

Decimus Aurelius Ingeniarius: added hd tag

2024-07-06T00:48:43Z

added hd tag

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Aldus Marius Peregrinus: clarification: cause of reprimand; now citing Wiki copy [was in Tabularium]

2008-01-23T08:37:25Z

clarification: cause of reprimand; now citing Wiki copy [was in Tabularium]

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	* The [[lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)\|lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus]]		* The [[lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)\|lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus]]
	* Marius' first departure		* Marius' first departure
−	* Conditions placed on [[Re-entry of Marius (Nova Roma)\| Marius' readmission]]; his apology and ~~'''reprimand''' <ref>~~[~~http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-09-09-iii.html Senatorial~~ reprimand]~~</ref>~~	+	* Conditions placed on [[Re-entry of Marius (Nova Roma)\| Marius' readmission]]; his apology and [[Rebuke of a citizen for public actions (Nova Roma)\|reprimand]] by the Senate, which was for [[Marius' nota (Nova Roma)\|something else entirely]].
−	* The [[Marius' nota (Nova Roma)\|''nota'' hearing]]	+	* The [[Marius' nota (Nova Roma)\|''nota'' hearing]] (for the same offense as the reprimand)
	* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]		* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]
−	* Senatus consultum: [[Rebuke of a citizen for public actions (Nova Roma)]]

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M. Lucretius Agricola: /* {{2000}} */ link to rebuke

2008-01-19T06:35:42Z

{{2000}}: link to rebuke

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	* The [[Marius' nota (Nova Roma)\|''nota'' hearing]]		* The [[Marius' nota (Nova Roma)\|''nota'' hearing]]
	* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]		* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]
		+	* Senatus consultum: [[Rebuke of a citizen for public actions (Nova Roma)]]

	=={{2007}}==		=={{2007}}==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: more new stuff

2007-09-11T04:23:44Z

more new stuff

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	''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events. Still to come:]''		''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events. Still to come:]''

−	* The '''Gender Edict'''<ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-04-24-i.html The Gender Edict]</ref> (first version) and "gender wars"	+	* The '''Gender Edict''' <ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-04-24-i.html The Gender Edict]</ref> (first version) and "gender wars"
−	* The '''Name-change Edict'''<ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-06-29.html The Name-change Edict]</ref> (revised/expanded from Gender Edict)	+	* The '''Name-change Edict''' <ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-06-29.html The Name-change Edict]</ref> (revised/expanded from Gender Edict)
	* The [[lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)\|lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus]]		* The [[lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)\|lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus]]
	* Marius' first departure		* Marius' first departure
−	* ~~The ''nota'' hearing; conditions~~ placed on Marius' readmission; his apology and '''reprimand'''<ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-09-09-iii.html Senatorial reprimand]</ref>	+	* Conditions placed on [[Re-entry of Marius (Nova Roma)\| Marius' readmission]]; his apology and '''reprimand''' <ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-09-09-iii.html Senatorial reprimand]</ref>
−	* Marius ~~as a campaign prop~~	+	* The [[Marius' nota (Nova Roma)\|''nota'' hearing]]
	* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]		* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: moved docs to References section

2007-09-11T03:22:05Z

moved docs to References section

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	''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events. Still to come:]''		''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events. Still to come:]''

−	* The [http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-04-24-i.html Gender Edict] (first version) and "gender wars"	+	* The '''Gender Edict'''<ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-04-24-i.html The Gender Edict]</ref> (first version) and "gender wars"
−	* The [http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-06-29.html Name-change Edict] (revised/expanded from Gender Edict)	+	* The '''Name-change Edict'''<ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-06-29.html The Name-change Edict]</ref> (revised/expanded from Gender Edict)
	* The [[lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)\|lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus]]		* The [[lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)\|lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus]]
	* Marius' first departure		* Marius' first departure
−	* The ''nota'' hearing; conditions placed on Marius' readmission; his apology and [http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-09-09-iii.html reprimand]	+	* The ''nota'' hearing; conditions placed on Marius' readmission; his apology and '''reprimand'''<ref>[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-09-09-iii.html Senatorial reprimand]</ref>
	* Marius as a campaign prop		* Marius as a campaign prop
	* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]		* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: made iffy part easier to distinguish; links to documents

2007-09-11T03:12:14Z

made iffy part easier to distinguish; links to documents

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	=={{2000}}==		=={{2000}}==

−	Newly-elected ''censor'' L Cornelius Sulla Felix had expressed support for Marius' name-change before he took office. However, his colleague, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, had resigned his own censorship shortly after Sulla's accession. Now without a colleague and wishing to avoid the appearance of favoritism towards a friend, Lucius Cornelius felt the need to consult [the Senate on the issue. This took at least some ''senatores'' by surprise, as the matter lay squarely within a censor's ''imperium,'' but they agreed to consider it.	+	Newly-elected ''censor'' L Cornelius Sulla Felix had expressed support for Marius' name-change before he took office. However, his colleague, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, had resigned his own censorship shortly after Sulla's accession. Now without a colleague and wishing to avoid the appearance of favoritism towards a friend, Lucius Cornelius felt the need to consult ''[the Senate on the issue. This took at least some ''senatores'' by surprise, as the matter lay squarely within a censor's ''imperium,'' but they agreed to consider it.''

−	The issue was not well-stated. Many senators were under the impression that Marius wanted to legally become his (male) chatroom persona, nothing more. It was thought that allowing him to do so could potentially foster the perception that Nova Roma was nothing more than an online role-playing game. This was a common concern at the time, as the Republic was young and still striving for respectability in the Roman world at large. Allowing a citizen to change official gender on little more than his or her say-so was seen as detrimental to this effort.]	+	''The issue was not well-stated. Many senators were under the impression that Marius wanted to legally become his (male) chatroom persona, nothing more. It was thought that allowing him to do so could potentially foster the perception that Nova Roma was nothing more than an online role-playing game. This was a common concern at the time, as the Republic was young and still striving for respectability in the Roman world at large. Allowing a citizen to change official gender on little more than his or her say-so was seen as detrimental to this effort.]''

	''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events. Still to come:]''		''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events. Still to come:]''

−	* The Gender Edict; "gender wars"; [[~~Lex~~ Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)]]	+	* The [http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-04-24-i.html Gender Edict] (first version) and "gender wars"
		+	* The [http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/censor-2000-06-29.html Name-change Edict] (revised/expanded from Gender Edict)
		+	* The [[lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)\|lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus]]
	* Marius' first departure		* Marius' first departure
−	* The ''nota'' hearing; conditions placed on Marius' readmission; his apology and ~~Reprimand~~	+	* The ''nota'' hearing; conditions placed on Marius' readmission; his apology and [http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-09-09-iii.html reprimand]
	* Marius as a campaign prop		* Marius as a campaign prop
	* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]		* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: link to resignation statement

2007-09-07T04:03:49Z

link to resignation statement

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	* The ''nota'' hearing; conditions placed on Marius' readmission; his apology and Reprimand		* The ''nota'' hearing; conditions placed on Marius' readmission; his apology and Reprimand
	* Marius as a campaign prop		* Marius as a campaign prop
−	* Marius' resignation	+	* [[Marius' resignation (Nova Roma)\|Marius' resignation]]

	=={{2007}}==		=={{2007}}==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: still to come...

2007-09-06T04:25:54Z

still to come...

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	The issue was not well-stated. Many senators were under the impression that Marius wanted to legally become his (male) chatroom persona, nothing more. It was thought that allowing him to do so could potentially foster the perception that Nova Roma was nothing more than an online role-playing game. This was a common concern at the time, as the Republic was young and still striving for respectability in the Roman world at large. Allowing a citizen to change official gender on little more than his or her say-so was seen as detrimental to this effort.]		The issue was not well-stated. Many senators were under the impression that Marius wanted to legally become his (male) chatroom persona, nothing more. It was thought that allowing him to do so could potentially foster the perception that Nova Roma was nothing more than an online role-playing game. This was a common concern at the time, as the Republic was young and still striving for respectability in the Roman world at large. Allowing a citizen to change official gender on little more than his or her say-so was seen as detrimental to this effort.]

−	''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events.]''	+	''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events. Still to come:]''
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		+	* The Gender Edict; "gender wars"; [[Lex Cornelia et Maria de mutandis nominibus (Nova Roma)]]
		+	* Marius' first departure
		+	* The ''nota'' hearing; conditions placed on Marius' readmission; his apology and Reprimand
		+	* Marius as a campaign prop
		+	* Marius' resignation

	=={{2007}}==		=={{2007}}==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: cat

2007-08-28T03:26:31Z

cat

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	Aldus Marius Peregrinus replied in a likewise reconciliatory manner. <ref>http://www.societasviaromana.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=10444</ref>		Aldus Marius Peregrinus replied in a likewise reconciliatory manner. <ref>http://www.societasviaromana.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=10444</ref>
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		+	[[Category:Rixa Fimbriana (Nova Roma)]]

	==References==		==References==
	<references/>		<references/>

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: revised chronology

2007-08-27T19:09:01Z

revised chronology

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	An individual with long-time gender identity questions, who had been known in Roman circles for over seven years as [[Lucius Marius Fimbria (Nova Roma)\|Lucius Marius Fimbria]], became interested in Nova Roma. This individual, after some indecision (chiefly religious), applied for and was granted citizenship as "Lucia Maria Fimbria", as this person was a woman in appearance, and wanted to avoid any awkwardness in the event of a face-to-face meeting. This citizen otherwise functioned as a male, both within and without Nova Roma. All of this citizen's written contributions were as Lucius Marius Fimbria. This citizen was referred to by fellow-''cives'' in the masculine.		An individual with long-time gender identity questions, who had been known in Roman circles for over seven years as [[Lucius Marius Fimbria (Nova Roma)\|Lucius Marius Fimbria]], became interested in Nova Roma. This individual, after some indecision (chiefly religious), applied for and was granted citizenship as "Lucia Maria Fimbria", as this person was a woman in appearance, and wanted to avoid any awkwardness in the event of a face-to-face meeting. This citizen otherwise functioned as a male, both within and without Nova Roma. All of this citizen's written contributions were as Lucius Marius Fimbria. This citizen was referred to by fellow-''cives'' in the masculine.

−	=={{~~2000~~}}==	+	=={{1999}}==

−	By his second year, Lucius Marius Fimbria had come to realise that he was in fact [http://www.apa.org/topics/transgender.html transgendered]. He regarded his condition in Roman terms as his having been born with a ''[[genius]]'' rather than a ''[[genius\|iuno]]'' for a guiding spirit, and had come to feel that it was less important for his Roman name to be consistent with outward appearances than for it to be true to his soul. He ~~requested that his registered Roman name be changed to reflect this more developed understanding of his being; he~~ wished to reconcile his entry in the ''Album Civium'' with the rest of his Roman life and Nova Roman experience. Lucius Marius regarded this action as a simple request for correction of records.	+	By his second year, Lucius Marius Fimbria had come to realise that he was in fact [http://www.apa.org/topics/transgender.html transgendered]. He approached ''consul suffectus'' and longtime ally [[Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (Nova Roma)\|L Cornelius Sulla Felix]] about having his registered Roman name changed to reflect this more developed understanding of his being. He regarded his condition in Roman terms as his having been born with a ''[[genius]]'' rather than a ''[[genius\|iuno]]'' for a guiding spirit, and had come to feel that it was less important for his Roman name to be consistent with outward appearances than for it to be true to his soul. He wished to reconcile his entry in the ''Album Civium'' with the rest of his Roman life and Nova Roman experience. Lucius Marius regarded this action as a simple request for correction of records. Lucius Cornelius had no objection to Marius' request.
		+
		+	It was agreed to have [[Flavius Vedius Germanicus (Nova Roma)\|Flavius Vedius Germanicus]], then ''censor suffectus'', meet with Marius "live" in the Nova Roma chatroom in order to gain a better understanding of the latter's request. The other ''censor,'' [[Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (Nova Roma)\|Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus]], was also present and presided over the encounter. What followed was later described by Marius as "one of the more tactless, brutal and embarrassing 'outings' in the annals of the transgender condition" (personal correspondence, 18 Iun 2005). The conservative Germanicus expressed hostility to the whole idea of transgenderism. The debate soured into a discussion of Marius' physical configuration; for the conservative wing from then on, this became the only relevant concern. Former ''censor'' Germanicus' adverse opinion, though it was not a formal ruling and was never documented in any form, was nevertheless taken as [[Chatroom precedent\|Nova Roman legal precedent]] on the subject of transgender name switches.
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		+	=={{2000}}==

−	~~Longtime ally, ''consularis'' and newly~~-elected ''censor'' ~~[[Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (Nova Roma)\|~~L Cornelius Sulla Felix]] had expressed support for Marius' name-change before he took office. However, his colleague, [[Flavius Vedius Germanicus ~~(Nova Roma)\|Flavius Vedius Germanicus]]~~, resigned his own censorship shortly after Sulla'a accession. Now without a colleague and wishing to avoid the appearance of favoritism towards a friend, Lucius Cornelius felt the need to consult the Senate on the issue. This took at least some ''senatores'' by surprise, as the matter lay squarely within a censor's ''imperium,'' but they agreed to consider it.	+	Newly-elected ''censor'' L Cornelius Sulla Felix had expressed support for Marius' name-change before he took office. However, his colleague, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, had resigned his own censorship shortly after Sulla's accession. Now without a colleague and wishing to avoid the appearance of favoritism towards a friend, Lucius Cornelius felt the need to consult [the Senate on the issue. This took at least some ''senatores'' by surprise, as the matter lay squarely within a censor's ''imperium,'' but they agreed to consider it.

−	The issue was not well-stated. Many senators were under the impression that Marius wanted to legally become his (male) chatroom persona, nothing more. It was thought that allowing him to do so could potentially foster the perception that Nova Roma was nothing more than an online role-playing game. This was a common concern at the time, as the Republic was young and still striving for respectability in the Roman world at large. Allowing a citizen to change official gender on little more than his or her say-so was seen as detrimental to this effort.	+	The issue was not well-stated. Many senators were under the impression that Marius wanted to legally become his (male) chatroom persona, nothing more. It was thought that allowing him to do so could potentially foster the perception that Nova Roma was nothing more than an online role-playing game. This was a common concern at the time, as the Republic was young and still striving for respectability in the Roman world at large. Allowing a citizen to change official gender on little more than his or her say-so was seen as detrimental to this effort.]

−	~~It was agreed to have Flavius Vedius, as the former senior~~ ''~~censor,'' meet with Marius "live"~~ in the ~~Nova Roma chatroom in order to gain a better understanding~~ of ~~the latter's request~~. ~~''Consularis'' [[Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (Nova Roma)\|Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus~~]~~] presided over the encounter. What followed was later described by Marius as "one of the more tactless, brutal and embarrassing~~ '~~outings~~' in the annals of the transgender condition" (personal correspondence, 18 Iun 2005). The conservative Germanicus expressed hostility to the whole idea of transgenderism. The debate soured into a discussion of Marius' physical configuration; and for the conservative wing from then on, this became the ''crux'' of the matter. Former ''censor'' Germanicus' opinion, though it was not a formal ruling and was never documented in any form, was nevertheless taken as Nova Roman legal precedent on the subject of transgender name switches.	+	''[The section in brackets is being revised as further research clarifies the sequence of events.]''

	=={{2007}}==		=={{2007}}==