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Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Senatoribus SPD Salvete omnes sorry for the delay REPORT OF SENATE SESSION The Senate was called to order on July 3rd , 2007 with the following message of the Consul Galerius Paulinus: Salvete Conscript Fathers I herby convene the Senate on ad V Non Quint At 0001 Roman time (July 3, 2760 AUC) when the contio will commence until 23:59 (Roman time) on ad VII Id Quint(July 9th , 2760 AUC) when it will end Voting will then commence at 0001 (Roman time on ad VI Id Quint (July 10 and will end at 0001 (Roman Time) ad IV Id Quint( July 12th, 2760 AUC) (23:59 is 11:59PM CEST and 0001 is 12:01AM CEST) Due to the national holiday in the USA the contio is extended from ninety-six (96) hours to one hundred and twenty (120 ) hours The voting period is forty-eight hours (48) and one minute long Once debate has concluded Senators will send their votes to the Senate list where the results will be tabulated and the Tribunes will report the results to the people of Nova Roma in accordance with our laws and customs The Agenda is as follows: Senate Agenda July 3, 2760 Item One Appointment of Marcus Flavius Aurelius as governor of Australia Item Two Appointment of Gaia Iulia Felix as governor Asia Occidentalis Item Three Appointment of M Lucretius Agricola as governor of Asia Orientalis Item four Appointment of Julilla Sempronia Magna as governor of America Boreoccidentalis Item five Withdrawn Item six Appointment of Marcus Martianius Gangalius as governor of California Item seven Appointment of M Calidius Gracchus as governor of Hibernia Item eight Appointment of Annia Minucia Marcella as governor of Nova Britannia Item nine Adding Luxembourg to a Gallia In accordance with the constitutional authority granted the Senate to set the geographic boundaries of provinces, the macro-national Principality of Luxembourg is added to the province of Gallia Earlier this year I created a scholarship committee under the leadership of the honorable A Tullia Scholastica and consisting of *M Lucretius Agricola *D Suetonius Lupus *Gallus Cassius Augurius *M Lucretius Agricola *Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus Item ten In accordance with the recommendation of the Scholarship committee, the Senate of Nova Roma awards a one thousand dollar (USD) scholarship for the year 2760 to Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is a graduate student of classical philology and the Italian language and literature in the Eötvös Lóránd University (ELTE) in Hungary, Budapest Item eleven "Senate Consultum on the Standardization of Titles for Provincial Magistrates" Standardization of Titles for Provincial Magistrates In keeping with the authority granted to the Senate by Article III, Paragraph 3, of the Constitution the following titles will be used in Nova Roma Currently-serving Consuls governing provinces shall be titled Consul Former Consuls who are continuing to govern a province after their term as Consul ends shall be titled Proconsul Currently-serving Praetors governing a province shall be titled Praetor Praetors who continue to govern a province after their first term of office ends shall be titled Propraetor The "governor" of Italy shall be called Praefectus Italiae If a sitting Consul or Praetor resides in Italy and they serve as "governor" on behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma they shall be called Consul or Praetor All other citizens appointed by the Senate to govern a province of Nova Roma shall be called Legatus Pro Praetore Discussion question Should we adopt the Aquila Heliaca project (Roman Imperial Eagle) as an official project of Nova Roma? Valete Tiberius Galerius Paulinus On July 12th 2007 the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was declared closed by the Consul Galerius Paulinus Here is the list of the voting Senators, listed by date and reception time of their votes in the list of the Senate: *GEM: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus *QSP: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus *FVG: Flavius Vedius Germanicus *MMA: Marcus Minicius Audens *TGP: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus *GFBM: Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus *CFBQ: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus (proxy GFBM) *PC: Patricia Cassia *GSA Gnaeus Salvius Astur *AMA A Moravia Aurelia *MBA Marcusd Bianchius Antonius *LECA L Equitius Cincinnatus Augur *CCS c Curius Saturninus *GPL G Popillius Laenas *ECF Emilia Curia Finnica *TOPA Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus *CMM C Marius Merullinus *ATS A Tullia Scholastica *QFM Q Fabius Maximus *MMPH M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus *CFD C Flavius Diocletianus *FAC F Apulus Caesar *PMS P Minucia Strabo *MIP M Iulius Perusianus RESULTS OF THE VOTATION: Item I : 19 Uti Rogas 4 Abstineo: the item is passed Item II: 19 Uti Rogas 4 Abstineo: the item is passed Item III: 22 Uti Rogas 1 Abstineo: the item is passed Item IV: 22 Uti Rogas 1 Abstineo: the item is passed Item V: Withdrawn Item VI: 5 Uti Rogas 18 Antiquo: the item is not passed Item VII: 6 Uti Rogas 10 Abstineo 7 Antiquo: the item is not passed Item VIII: 19 Rogas 4 Abstineo: the item is passed Item VIIII: 11 Uti Rogas 4 Abstineo 8 Antiquo: the item is passed Item X: 10 Uti Rogas 14 Antiquo: the Item is not passed Item XI: 18 Uti Rogas 2 Abstineo 3 Antiquo: the item is passed Discessiones Item One *GEM VTI ROGAS With my thanks to Aurelius for his willingness to serve *QSP VTI ROGAS thank you for wanting to serve *FVG: Abstain *MMA--YES-- My thanks for his willingness to serve *TGP:VTI ROGAS *[GFBM] UTI ROGAS: He has been a scriba to the former Governor, a citizen since 2001 (but did disappear for awhile), and as long as his taxes are paid I think he should be given the opportunity *[CFBQ] UTI ROGAS: He has done some work before and i wish him well *PC: UTI ROGAS *GSA I vote in favour *AMA - VTI ROGAS *MBA VTI ROGAS *LECA Vti Rogas *CCS Uti rogas *GPL VTI ROGAS *ECF Uti rogas *TOPA: Uti rogas *CMM Vti rogas I vote to appoint Marcus Flavius Aurelius as governor of Australia *ATS Abstineo I don’t know enough about this candidate, or some others, but see that he (along another candidate) is enrolled in centuria LI, which troubles me *QFM: Vti Rogas *MMPH UTI ROGAS Some years ago provincia Australia had a vibrant community developing, if one that was somewhat isolated from the rest of Nova Roma Since 2001 our Australian Citizens appear to have become isolated from one another as well I thank M Flavius for stepping forward and wish him the best of fortune in his efforts to revive provincia Australia *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC VTI ROGAS *PMS ABSTAIN *MIP ABSTINEO Item Two *GEMVTI ROGAS With my thanks to Gaia Iulia *QSPVTI ROGAS All the best and thank you *FVGAbstain *MMA--YES-- My thanks for his willingness to serve *TGPVTI ROGAS *[GFBM] UTI ROGAS: She has been a citizen since 2005, has not served in any roles that I am aware, but the province is small (as far as number of citizens) so giving her an opportunity seems reasonable *[CFBQ] UTI ROGAS: She seem rather active I will give her a chance *PCUTI ROGAS *GSAI vote in favour *AMA - VTI ROGAS *MBA VTI ROGAS *LECA Vti Rogas *CCS Uti rogas *GPL VTI ROGAS *ECFUti rogas *TOPA: Uti rogas *CMM Vti rogas I vote to appoint Gaia Iulia Felix as governor Asia Occidentalis *ATS Abstineo, for much the same reason *QFM: Vti Rogas *MMPH UTI ROGAS I find this region of the former Empire to be most interesting I am therefore delighted to see that we shall now have a governess to develop the provincia and promote the region's rich heritage to the rest of Nova Roma *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC ABSTINEO, sorry I don't know her *PMS UTI ROGAS *MIP ABSTINEO Item Three *GEMVTI ROGAS One of our most outstanding citizens Asia Orientalis is indeed fortunate to have him *QSPVTI ROGAS I agree that Asia Orientalis is indeed fortunate to have him *FVGAbstain *MMA--YES-- His past willingness to help me personnally, and his subsequent service to NR make him a valuable asset to the Governors group *TGPVTI ROGAS *[GFBM] UTI ROGAS: Agricola is a dedicated citizen who has done much to improve Nova Roma, I fully support him as a Governor *[CFBQ] UTI ROGAS: He is well known and a hard working citizen I have high hopes for him, but the Provincia is huge and the task big *PCUTI ROGAS *GSAI vote in favour *AMA - VTI ROGAS *MBA VTI ROGAS *LECA Vti Rogas *CCS Uti rogas *GPL VTI ROGAS *ECF Uti rogas *TOPA: Uti rogas *CMM Vti rogas I vote to appoint M Lucretius Agricola as governor of Asia Orientalis *ATS Vti rogas Agricola is an excellent choice *QFM: Vti Rogas *MMPH UTI ROGAS While I was head of the Office of the Census 2005 it was my good fortune to be able to call upon M Lucretius Agricola to fill in as an acting proconsul for the region His task was unlike any other's covering as he did such a large area composed of so many different countries As in every other task he has taken on since, he did outstanding work for Nova Roma I am certain that he shall remain a valuable asset for the Respublica Libera *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC VTI ROGAS, I met him in Rome, he's a very skilled gentleman *PMS UTI ROGAS *MIP VTI ROGAS, a very nice and educated person Item four *GEM VTI ROGAS It is a pleasure to see her continuing her long service *QSPVTI ROGAS Thank you Jullia Sempronia! *FVGAbstain *MMA--YES-- My thanks for his willingness to serve *TGPVTI ROGAS *[GFBM] UTI ROGAS: Sempronia Magna is an asset to Nova Roma I am pleased she is willing to serve *[CFBQ] UTI ROGAS: One of the best! *PCUTI ROGAS Based on my past interactions with her, she will be an energetic and intelligent presence on behalf of Nova Roma *GSAI vote in favour *AMA - VTI ROGAS With sincere thanks Her province is very fortunate to have her *MBA VTI ROGAS *LECA Vti Rogas *CCS Uti rogas *GPL VTI ROGAS *ECF: Uti rogas *TOPA: Uti rogas *CMM Vti rogas I vote to appoint Julilla Sempronia Magna as governor of America Boreoccidentalis *ATS Vti rogas Julilla Sempronia Magna is also an excellent choice to resume her post as governor *QFM: Vti Rogas *MMPH UTI ROGAS Senatrix Sempronia, cara Amica mea Julilla, rather unknowingly our paths have crossed a few times on the internet before I returned to Nova Roma in 2005, but unfortunately not during my last visit to Boreoccidentalis She nurtures the community of her provincia, much to the benefit of Nova Roma I am pleased to vote in favor of her being prorogued into office *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC VTI ROGAS, I have no words to explain my admiration for Julilla, her job in NR is ever excellent *PMS UTI ROGAS *MIP VTI ROGAS Item six *GEM ANTIQUO Recent information that has come to light concerning posts in the California provincial mailing list requires me to reassess my earlier vote in favor of Gangalius Better no governor for California than one who openly disrespects this Senate *QSP UTI ROGAS I am more interested in what he can accomplish in Califronia now as opposed to waitng on attitude adjustments could be a long time waiting on another governor *FVG No *MMA--NO-- A new Governor for any province should not have to have his / her "attitude changed" after appointment I consider that to be too little, too late Better no govenor at all than one who has little respect for NR, her laws, and the Senate *TGPVTI ROGAS *[GFBM] ANTIQUO: Gangalius doesn't seem to have a very good opinion of the senate and his posts recently to non-Nova Romans is disturbing As a matter of fact when one of us (ie, a NR senator) tried to join the new California list he was told to "stay away from California" *[CFBQ] ANTIQUO: A lot of things has shown up lately that once again make me question his loyalty I would have liked to vote for him *PC ANTIQUO California is too important a province to have a governor who does not have the Senate's full trust *GSA I vote against this proposal *AMA - ANTIQUO His recent disrespectful tone with members of this body leave me with doubt about his candidacy *MBA ANTIQUO *LECA Vti RogasI’m not concerned with his “loyalty” to the Senate but rather what he will do for California I haven’t seen much talk about the loyalty of some current members of the Curia to Nova Roma who have resigned, formed competing organizations, etc The hypocrisy of some people is astounding The idea that California is better off without anyone than someone who isn’t ‘respectful towards the Senate” says much about senatores priorities, sadly *CCS Antiquo California needs a fresh start, but this person is not right for the job *GPL VTI ROGASCalifornia needs a Governor It will only be 5 or 6 months until Governors are asked to present themselves again to the Senate Not too much risk for us, I think *ECF Antiquo We should find a candidate more fit for the post *TOPA: Antiquo I believe I have previously expressed my doubts as to this person's dedication to Nova Roma *CMM Nego I vote not to appoint Marcus Martianius Gangalius as governor of California *ATSAntiquo I share the reservations expressed by others concerning this candidate, and have some more of my own *QFM: Vti Rogas, Per usual you miss the point You have fixated on something that not just he but many Nova Romans disagreed with and forced the most upset to leave Nova Roma is big on second chances It must be Why else are there members sitting in this house this very vote who were not loyal to NR, those who have resigned, formed competing organizations, ran away when things got tough, cursed Nova Roma for ignoring them Yet, they sit here today and pass judgment when they themselves were in the same situation recently It is as Lucius Equitius says that the hypocrisy of some people here is astounding Marcus Martianius Gangalius was a Legatus of CAL Superior, so he is experienced, and has a strong following among Californians in the North Because he isn’t “respectful towards the Senate” says much about his political acumen Surely after the Spanish fiasco it behooves us to demonstrate that we have situations under control QFM: Vti Rogas *MMPH ANTIQUO Previously California had been a large, diverse, and wealthy provincia While the Census 2005 showed that problems existed in almost all of Nova Roma's provinciae, in the Americas provincia California was one of three that stood out for special concern I accept the former Proconsul's explanations on the decline of California as far as those explanations go, but he did not tell the whole story Citizens and former Citizens indicated in their replies to the Office of the Census that the former Proconsul was himself a cause of problems faced in provincia California The next governor will have a difficult task of working with the former Proconsul, of retaining what he had built, of also building once more a more diverse base for the provincia, and to some extent he or she will have to make an appeal to those whom the former Proconsul offended and drove from Nova Roma Not in his attitude, his temperament, his words, or his actions does M Martianius present himself as a person capable of bridging the diverse groups with which he will have to work in order to reform the provincia I prefer that we look for another candidate to hold such an important position *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC ANTIQVO *PMS ANTIQUO *MIP ANTIQUO Item seven *GEM ABSTIENO Gracchus has a problem with inconsistency While I appreciate his willingness to serve, I can not support his candidacy *QSP UTI ROGAS - This new position should give Calidius a good jump start and a new incentive to help build NR and Hibernia *FVG Abstain *MMA--NO-- His willingnes to leave is not a good recommendation I would like to see him work in NR in a lesser position to convince me that he is worthy of the Governor's position We have had far too many people who as Governors have disappeared, resigned, or simply quit to be loose in our decisions of who to select No Governor is far better than someone appointed who is not doing the job *TGP VTI ROGAS *[GFBM] ANTIQUO: His run as an Aedile wasn't too good He needs an opportunity to "redeem" himself, but I'm not convinced this is the right opportunity *[CFBQ] UTI ROGAS: M Calidius Gracchus has left his post once before, but we need a Propraetor in Hibernia, so I would give him a chance *PCABSTINEO I do not feel I have sufficient knowledge of this situation *GSAI abstain *AMA - ABSTINEO *MBA VTI ROGAS I would like to give him a chance *LECA Vti Rogas *CCS Antiquo I'm afraid I would like to see him to finish his aedileship first or some similar task to show that he is a serious candidate for post with imperium *GPL ABSTIENO *ECF Antiquo *TOPA: Antiquo I don't know him myself, but I heed the warnings of some of my fellow senators *CMM Nego I vote not to appoint M Calidius Gracchus as governor of Hibernia *ATS Abstineo Here again, I am not familiar with the candidate, and am concerned about some things mentioned by others He, too, is listed in centuria LI *QFM: Vti Rogas *MMPH UTI ROGAS I am not familiar with M Calidus and thus I might have deferred to the judgment of more senior Senatores to vote against his appointment However our last census showed that there are really very few Citizens in Hiberia from which to appoint any provincial magistrates In fact there are regions of Latin America that have more numerous Citizens yet whose organization into provinciae remains neglected from a lack of willing candidates to take on the obligation Having formerly been the Proconsul for Hiberia, M Calidus should be aware of the obligations he will now undertake I wish him all the luck that the Gods may provide *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC ABSTINEO, sorry, I don't know him *PMS ABSTAIN *MIP ABSTINEO Item eight *GEM VTI ROGAS *QSP VTI ROGAS - thank you for your service Annia Minucia *FVG Abstain *MMA--YES-- My thanks for your work in the Provincia and your willingness to serve *TGP:VTI ROGAS *[GFBM] UTI ROGAS: She has the endorsement of Senator Audens, and that is good enough for me! *[CFBQ] UTI ROGAS: I have a good impression of her, she will probably do her best *PCUTI ROGAS and welcome! *GSAI vote in favour *AMA - VTI ROGAS *MBA VTI ROGAS *LECA Vti Rogas *CCSUti rogas *GPL VTI ROGAS *ECF Uti rogas *TOPA: Uti rogas *CMM Vti rogas I vote to appoint Annia Minucia Marcella as governor of Nova Britannia *ATS Abstineo I have some reservations here as well, though I am better acquainted with the candidate *QFM: Vti Rogas *MMPH UTI ROGAS I cannot think of any better recommendation than that offered to the Senate on behalf of Annia Minucia Marcella by our distinguished Senator Audens *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC ABSTINEO, sorry, I don't know her *PMS UTI ROGAS *MIP ABSTINEO Item nine *GEM VTI ROGAS *QSPVTI ROGAS *FVGYes *MMA--YES-- *TGP VTI ROGAS *[GFBM] UTI ROGAS *[CFBQ] ANTIQUO: This item should have been better prepared and I see no hurry in deciding this I think the Propraetores of Gallia and Germany should be consulted They may in turn consult the citizens in Gallia and Germania in what ever way deem to be the best *PC UTI ROGAS *GSAI abstain *AMA - VTI ROGAS *MBA ABSTIENO *LECA Antiquo *CCS Antiquo There are other small states in Europe without designated province, as came up during the discussion This item was ill-prepared and contacting citizens of those areas and propraetores of the concerned provinces would be the best way to start proper procedure for an item like this *GPL VTI ROGAS *ECF Antiquo *TOPA: Antiquo I would like to hear recommendations of citizens living in Luxembourg before supporting it to join either provincia *CMM Vti rogas I vote to add the macro-national Principality of Luxembourg to provincia Gallia *ATS Abstineo I would like more input from the authorities in the concerned provinces on this *QFM: Vti Rogas The natural dispositions of prospective citizens are towards Gaul We should honor that *MMPH ANTIQUO Why do we debate whether to assign Luxembourg to provincia Gallia or to provincia Germannia when there are no Citizens currently living in this area? The question is rather irrelevant And yet the Senate is not presented with any plan to organize Uruguay into a new provincia when Montevideo alone has more Citizens than all of Hibernia Then there is Peru, and Nigeria is another possible area to form into a new provincia, but such areas are overlooked Nor was the Senate asked to discuss the appeal of Citizens in the Caribbean to organize their region into a provincia What Item IX points out is how Nova Roma needs to reconsider what constitutes a provincia It has carved out vast regions into unmanageable provinciae where instead we need to take a more local approach, organizing provinciae around oppida wherever our Citizens are located so that out provinciae rest firmly on a foundation of local communities *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC ANTIQVO, the idea is good but it would be presented in a better way indicating the final Provincia which would include Luxembourg *PMS ABSTAIN *MIP ANTIQVO, I'd like to see a total distribution of the European "minor" states all together What about StMarino, the Vatican, Monaco or Liechstein? Item ten *GEM ANTIQUO This has nothing to do with Lentulus, who is an outstanding young man I am voting against the process, or lack thereof, which was followed In Scholastica's report to this Senate she made it clear that Consul Paulinus placed a number of restrictions on the consular committee Furthermore, I would like to see this Senate establish a process for investing the money in the Scholarship Fund into an endowment, the interest from which can fund periodic scholarships Giving over half of the scholarship fund to one person, no matter how highly regarded, is fiscally unsound *QSP UTI ROGAS - Cornelius Lentulus is one hell of a good investment for NR from what I can see Perhaps 100000 does go farther in his homeland than in North America We need more people with his background and qualifications to help build Nova Roma's credibility and his educational aspirations should go us proud *FVGNo There has been entirely insufficient oversight over this process *MMA--NO-- I do not care for the procedure of the Scholarship giveaway, or the amount given I would like to see an investment of funds in order that we may establish a supporting fund for this idea This vote has nothing whatsoever to do with the person selected as he appears to me to be a worthy candidate The concern is how it was done, not to whom the scholarship was intended TGPVTI ROGAS Because we need more than one real world project Because the recipient will be a leader in his field Because we need to do things and not just talk about doing things Because we have the money Because we said we would award scholarships someday in the future Because the future is now Because it is the right thing to do *[GFBM] ANTIQUO: I do not believe Consul Paulinus handled this very well, and I cannot in good conscious support a Scholarship that was created without any solid application process Simply to give money to Lentulus so he can get Internet access doesn't seem like a responsible usage of our funds No slight against Lentulus, he is not the architect of this committee or process used by said committee The Scholarship Fund is a priority of Nova Roma, but handing out funds without looking into the long term viability of the Fund itself will make it impossible to disburse funds in the future As has been suggested by others a scholarship endowment would be a better solution *[CFBQ] ANTIQUO: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is probably well deserved of a scholarship, but this item is also ill prepared in many respects as many Senatores have pointed out I want to see this item on the agenda at a later Senate meeting, but it must be prepared correcting the criticism within the Senate^ *PC UTI ROGAS, for all the reasons Paulinus cited *GSAI vote against this item This is not a vote against Cn Cornelius Lentulus, but a vote against the way in which this "scholarship" has been presented I am in favour of dedicating NR money to worthwhile projects, but the process must be more serious, and the project must profit the citizenry at large - or, at last, Romanity at large *AMA - ANTIQUO I do not doubt that Lentulus is a deserving recipient However, I strongly disagree with the method by which this item came to the Senate With more transparency and planning, I am sure that this will succeed in the future *MBA VTI ROGAS I do not like the process but I do not feel I should punish Lentulus for that *LECA Vti Rogas *CCS Antiquo There has been no budgeting, the amount of money was outrageously large and beyond the means of NR and the fund, it's very bad practise to give money to our own citizens, there is much more to gain by using the money into concordance with eg MM Project, the process was not transparent This item was extremely ill-prepared from many points of view *GPL ANTIQUO This is a good idea, however, we should avoid large expenditures until we are certain of our financial picture and the Senate has an opportunity to approve a proper budget allocating our resources *ECF Antiquo Giving money to our own citizens does not represent responsible use of the Nova Roman scholarship fund *TOPA: Antiquo We should draw up proper guidelines for the fund, including a budget and application procedures We should be using the interest from the fund, not digging deeply into the fund itself, and the scholarships should be awarded towards a thesis or project aimed towards the same goals as Nova Roma No offense to Lentulus, who is a hard-working citizen as well as a dedicated latinist, but a magistrate choosing a "deserving" recipient from amongst our own citizens isn't a professional way to handle this *CMM Vti rogas I vote to disburse the funds to award to Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus *ATS Vti rogas Lentulus is a highly qualified candidate and the process is the best we could do with limited personnel resources We could also not go outside of NR this year for that and other reasons This award is intended to help him with his studies; if net access helps him, then good, but that is not its primary purpose Conceivably tuition and other considerations come first *QFM: Vti Rogas Vedius and Cassius always intended that NR was to have a scholarship fund The Senate made a decision to allot some of Nova Roma's total funds to used on a Scholarship Fund Last year Consul elect Galerius started the process to make this a reality He established the precedent of setting up a committee for the awarding this year’s scholarship, and he made sure that the Senate would review the committee decision before the money was given The committee spokesperson, Praetor Scholastica, went out of her way to explain to the Conscript Fathers the criteria the selection committee used and how they came to their decision The process seemed more then fair The fact there was only one qualified selection is hardly their fault Therefore, unless the Conscript Fathers feel that Cornelius is unsuitable to be Nova Roma’s first recipient of a scholarship after ten years vote Antiquo But recall, this money has already been budgeted for and will do wonders for our reputation among scholars and educational institutions *MMPH ANTIQUO As I stated earlier on the Senate floor, there are several points made by the Consul with which I agree Certainly I consider Lentulus a very worthy and deserving candidate to be the first recipient of an educational grant from Nova Roma I think that we should disburse money this year that had been allocated to the Scholarship Fund in previous budgets However the Senate Audit Committee has not yet completed its assigned duties, and thus it is still unclear exactly how much money Nova Roma has No budget has been passed based on a latest accounting The Consul did not offer any sort of plan to establish an endowment to secure the future of the Scholarship Fund He did take an initial step in establishing a consular committee to oversee the Scholarship Fund, for which I applaud his effort However, as with the opinions expressed by other Senatores, I would like to see more developed on the committee's procedures and accountability to the Senate I asked that this Item be tabled for the time being and that a more thoughtful plan be submitted first, before the Senate consider approving any disbursement from the Scholarship Fund Hopefully that can be accomplished before year's end and I would be happy to see Lentulus be an applicant for a Nova Roma grant However, with our finances as yet uncertain, and no provisions made to sustain the Scholarship Fund itself, I think it would be irresponsible to approve any disbursement at this time *CFD: Uti Rogas *FAC ANTIQVO Lentulus is a very skilled man and he would merit this scholarship But unluckly the project isn't well presented, there ar no rules, no details about the appointment, no mission for the scolarship, etc I would suggest to donate this money to an academical istitution indicating Lentulus as beneficiary NR would indicate the object of the scolarship too I would suggest too the possibility to mix this scolarship with the Magna Mater Project, our most important live project * PMS ANTIQUO This is not a vote against the credentials of Gn Cornelius Lentulus, whom I consider a worthy candidate for an academic award This is a vote against the manner in which the item was organized and presented to the SenateWe need to develop a selection procedure first And the Senate should have some say into this procedure as we are entrusted with the peoples' funds when it comes to donations on behalf of the Senate and People of Nova Roma Truly, this item is the cart before the horse, so to speak I regret that Lentulus was placed in such an awkward position *MIP ANTIQVO While I have the deepest admiration for my friend Lentulus I still think money should be granted to projects and to individuals when making parts of a project for NR benefit Item eleven *GEM VTI ROGAS *QSPUTI ROGAS *FVG No *MMA--YES-- *TGPVTI ROGAS *[GFBM] UTI ROGAS *[CFBQ] UTI ROGAS: With the correction of the term for "All other citizens appointed by the Senate to govern a province of Nova Roma" from governor to "Legatus Pro Praetore" I will support this point, with my thanks to the Consul for listening to advise *PCUTI ROGAS, although I expect I'll forget and call them all "governor" anyway *GSAI abstain *AMA - VTI ROGAS *MBA VTI ROGAS *LECA Vti Rogas *CCS Antiquo This item has been ill-prepared and needs research badly The corrected proposal is better, but still historically uncorrect and a step towards imperial nomenclature, if I'm not mistaken Why can't there be proper research done in good time? Why we have to rush into things with flawed proposals? *GPL VTI ROGAS *ECFAntiquo *TOPA: Uti rogas Close enough, and no more senate-appointed praetors *CMM Vti rogas I vote to adopt this Senatusconsultum on the Standardization of Titles for Provincial Magistrates *ATS Abstineo I would like to be certain that all of these titles are completely accurate and historically-based *QFM: Vti Rogas *MMPH UTI ROGAS The Consul has made every effort to accommodate the differing opinions within the Senate on this matter Not everyone agrees with the result of his efforts, yet his proposal does move us towards a more historical nomenclature provincial officers *FAC VTI ROGAS *PMS UTI ROGAS - However the constitution still uses the name 'governor' so the official use of same is not legally incorrect I will vote for this for the same reasoning outlined by Octavius Pius Senator, being that this revised Consultum will eliminate the Senate-appointed Praetor *MIP VTI ROGAS Discussion question *GEM ANTIQUO *QSPUTI ROGAS *FVG No *MMA--NO-- I do not know enough about the proposal at this time, and further I believe there are other areas to which our attention would be better directed *TGP: VTI ROGAS Because we need more than one real world project *[GFBM] Since this is not an actual agenda item I don't feel it necessary to cast a "vote" But I would like to comment on this project This project was started by Sabina Equitia Doris and is a great program, although Doris has gone inactive in Nova Roma Educating the senate as to nature of the program and what would be needed to properly fund it would help As an Augur I was asked by Doris to be on the e-mail list started for the project and to offer support I currently own the list, but am unable to contribute financially to the project I would have been happy to present the project to the senate but was never asked by our junior Consul *[GFBM]I would like to get a more information and a fully prepared proposal how this should be done How much would it cost to adopt for instance one eagle? I hope to see such adoption, if possible, in the future I love birds of prey, especially with the connection to another beautiful avian that my family have ;-) I am inclined to give this a chance, but I see no real comparison with the Magna Mater project, which should stay our main project Still the Magna mater project is mainly financed by donations and when it comes to the Aquila Heliaca project we might need to give a starting sum from the state treasury I have been on the "Aquila Heliaca project" for some time and I think that some very good things are done there I also think we will be able to earn some very well needed public PR by supporting this project But then we should not just give the money Our web-site must make a public news of it and we must also inform the public about the good that we do with the Magna Mater project There is a Swedish saying which says: "One should not put his light under the "basket" Nova Roma need to stop doing that Still dear Consul I want a revised budget or at least some full financial report and then some very clear rules for the Senate to approve Then I am willing to support something like this *PC ANTIQUO I should like to know more before proceeding *GSA I abstain *AMA - ANTIQUO *MBA I like the idea so a tenative yes *LECA Yes, This project was and is the idea of a Nova Roma citizen and has already produced positive results Unfortunately it hasn’t seemed to grow in this past year *CCS Antiquo This item has been ill-prepared and needs research badly The corrected proposal is better, but still historically uncorrect and a step towards imperial nomenclature, if I'm not mistaken Why can't there be proper research done in good time? Why we have to rush into things with flawed proposals? *GPL ANTIQUO *ECF Antiquo *TOPA: As this is a discussion, not an item, no vote is needed *CMM Nego I vote not to adopt this project officially While it is highly desirable to realize the promise and mission that we proclaim, it is important to remain focused as well *ATS Vti rogas, though this was supposed to be just for discussion I would like a bit more information, too, but see nothing terribly wrong in proceeding *QFM: Vti Rogas Anything is better then the MM project Besides Iuppiter a Roman God favors Eagles It will help cement our pact with him *MMPH In presenting this question, there was little information provided to the Senate Like other Senatores, I am curious to learn more on the details From what I was able to learn on my own, I consider the project a worthy cause, one that Nova Roma should promote It may be feasible for Nova Roma to adopt at least one eagle As much as it is a worldwide organization, Nova Roma has managed to collect very little money since instituting taxation We have to be cautious on what we spend and where in order to get the most for our money At the same time Nova Roma needs to live up to its promise of being a religious, educational, and charitable organization All these concerns would seem to come together in this project The aquila heliaca has special religious and historical significance to us Our cost would be relatively minor while assisting in a worthy educational and conservation program that at the same time would provide Nova Roma with some exposure Subject only to the details on the cost to Nova Roma, I am therefore inclined to approve adopting this program *CFD: Abstino *FAC ANTIQVO, I think that pur money could be spent for project as close as possible to NR cultural mission *PMS I am open to discussion of the item in future *MIP ---- The following Senatores voted after the deadline: Julila Sempronia Magna: her votes were: Item I UTI ROGAS Item II UTI ROGAS Item III UTI ROGAS Item IV Abstineo, with grateful thanks for my colleague's kind comments Item V Withdrawn Item VI ANTIQUO : I find that diplomacy is key to communications among diverse groups, particularly when face-to-face contacts are impossible I don't see the communication skills and restraint necessary for this important leadership position Item VII UTI ROGAS Item VIII UTI ROGAS Item IX ANTIQUO I agree that it is far better to poll the citizens first, to determine their wishes Item X ANTIQUO I agree with my colleagues that there is no more worthy candidate; however, we must set the overall policy beforehand Item XI UTI ROGAS Discussion question: A most attractive proposal, and I greatly respect the citizens who are already involved I'd like to know more about what the imprimatur of Nova Roma would entail Curate ut valeate M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS TRIBVNVS PLEBIS PROPRAETOR HISPANIAE SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM NOVA ROMA [[Category:MMDCCLX]]

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