Session LXXXIII 24 April 2760

This is a report of a session of the Nova Roma Senate of a.d. VIII Kal. Mai. ‡, L. Arminio Ti. Galerio cos. ‡ MMDCCLX a.u.c..

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24 April 2760

M. Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD

SENATE VOTING RESULTS

The Senate was called to discuss the following proposed Agenda by the Consul Galerius Paulinus :

Item I - The US State of Nevada is separated in to its own province.

The new province shall be called Nivosa

Item II - Appointment of a Propraetor of California ( CA and HI)

Marcus Martianus Gangalius is appointed Praetor of California

Item III - L. Iunius Bassus is appointed Praetor of California

Item IV - The Province of Mediatlantica will consist of the following US States: Maryland, Delaware, Washington DC, Virginia + Province of Nova Eborica will consist of New York State + Province of Pennsylvania will consist of the US Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

Item IV Discussion

Senator Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus has made a suggestion that I believe has merit and one I support. That of making the election officials appointed and not elected.

Question:

Does the Senate believe that the it would be advisable to have the diribitors' and the custodes as appointed officers instead of as elected officials.

The idea is to have them nominated by the Consuls for staggered terms of two years, approved by the Senate and under the supervision of the Censores.

Item Annual Senatorial fee

The Senate being the supreme policy-making authority for Nova Roma and serving as the repository of experience and wisdom in the affairs of State, the Senate sets an annual fee on the members of the Senate in the amount of _______. We do this to set the example for other Nova Romans to follow and to insure a minimum income for the state. The Senatorial fee is on top of any taxes imposed on all citizens or paid by a member of the Senate..

Failure to pay the Annual Senatorial fee shall result in ___________________ After the discussion in the Senate of the Agenda proposed by the Consul Paulinus the items I and IV were withdrawn, the Consul is of the opinion that "we need to reduce the size of our administrative areas to the size of a city but it is not an issue that can not wait further consultations".

Therefore only two items remain for a vote:

Item II Appointment of a Praetor of California Marcus Martianus Gangalius is appointed Praetor of California

Item III Appointment of a Praetor of California L. Iunius Bassus is appointed Praetor of California

The Senate was call to vote with the following message of Consul: "I am convening the Senate on a.d. VIII Kal. Mai (April 24 2760 AU.C) when the contio will commence until a.d. IV Kal. Mai. ( April 28, 2760 A.U.C.) when it will end. Voting will then commence and will end on pr. Kal. Mai. (April 30, 2760 A.U.C) . Once debate has concluded Senators will send their votes to the Senate list where the results will be tabulated and the Tribunes will report the results to the people of Nova Roma in accordance with our laws and customs. I will post an agenda after my colleague has had some time to weigh in on the draft."

The session was closed at the 11,59 PM Central European Summer Time (5:59pm EST)

Here is the list of the voting Senators:

• TGP:Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
• GEM: Gn. Equitius Marinus
• GPL: G. Popilius Laenas
• PMS: Pompeia Minucia Strabo
• GFBM: Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
• TOPA: Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
• MOG: Marcus Octavius Gracchus
• CFBQ: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
• QSP:Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
• CEC: C. Equitius Cato
• MMPH: M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
• LAF: L. Arminius Faustus
• LECA: L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
• CFD: Caius Flavius Diocletianus
• CL: C. Livia
• QFM: Q. Fabius Maximus
• ATMC: Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
• ATS: A. Tullia Scholastica
• DIPI: Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
• MBA: Marcus Bianchius Antonius
• GSA: Gn Salvius Astur
• SAS: Sextus Apollonius Scipio
• CCS: C Curius Saturninus
• FAC: Fr Apulus Caesar
• JSM: Julilla Sempronia Magna
• MMA: M Minucius Audens
• MIP: M Iulius Perusianus

Item II Appointment of a Praetor of California Marcus Martianus Gangalius is appointed Praetor of California

• TGP: Uti Rogas. I believe he is the better of our two candidates and will leave

it at that. I request that the Tribunes include my full statement on Marcus Martianus Gangalius as part of their Senate report.

• GEM: Uti Rogas
• GPL: I vote Abstineo on both items. REVISED VOTE: LAENAS: Quintus Suetonius

Paulinus speaks my thoughts exactly. I also wish to revise my vote as follows: Marcus Martianus Gangalius is appointed Praetor of California Laenas: VTI ROGAS L. Iunius Bassus is appointed Praetor of California Laenas: Antiquo

• PMS: antiquo
• GFBM: Antiquo. After looking through the archives of the Main List and

reading how Gangalius handled his objections to Gens reform I wonder how much respect he has for authority, namely the authority of the senate. As a provincial governor he works for the senate, I have my doubts that he will follow the will of the senate, instead following his own. He does indeed have an impressive resume, but within Nova Roma I have no positive image of him only inflammatory rhetoric and that is all I have in which to judge him. Additionally, I am disturbed that on the Gens Martiana website there is a page were people can "apply" to join Gens Martianus -- citizenship approvals is the task of the censors. If his way of getting around Gens reform is to have non-Nova Romans in his Gens then I wonder if he will be trying to recruit for his Gens or whether he will focus on recruitment for Nova Roma. I just noticed this minutes before I cast my vote so there is not time to research it, if it comes to light that this is not the case then I will stand corrected. But the Gens Martiana "Application" page makes NO reference to Nova Roma.

• TOPA: Antiquo.

I have little reason to believe his demeanor has changed. California is in need of positive leadership, which I believe not to be one of his main attributes.

• MOG: UTI ROGAS.
• CFBQ: The text from the gens Martiana website made it easy to vote

ANTIQUO to Marcus Martianus Gangalius, especially as I think his arrogant and disloyal behavior, that is clearly shown below, don't make him suited to lead any Nova Roman province.

At 20.12 -0400 07-04-28, David Kling (Modianus) wrote:

Whereas Nova Roma's ever-growing list of onerous citizenship

requirements has discouraged applicants to the gens Martiana from

completing the citizenship process; and

Whereas the gens Martiana was established in MMDCCLI ab urbe condita,

anno Martis CCVII and was accepted by the Censors of Nova Roma, yet

the Censors of Nova Roma now obstruct new citizens from joining the

gens, effectively making the gens a closed one against its will and

threatening its eventual extinction; and

Whereas the current policy of the Censors of Nova Roma constitutes an

ex post facto law to the disparagement of the principles of Roman

justice, and violates the most basic human right, that of identity,

such right being derived from jus naturale, which is recognized as a

source of law in Roman jurisprudence;

Therefore be it resolved that the gens Martiana, acting in the

interest of its very survival as well as its liberty, declares said

policy of the Censors of Nova Roma to be unjust and un-Roman, that the

gens opens its membership to all people who profess any of the

Mediterranean and European cultures that existed during the Republican

and Imperial periods of classical Rome, and that no distinction shall

be made among members of the gens as to their status in Nova Roma; and

Resolved, that since the republic now discourages the growth of the

gens Martiana, thus the gens is no longer obligated to encourage the

growth of the republic, and indeed, the growth of the republic has

become inimical to the interests of our gens and our constituent

familiae, all mention of Nova Roma shall be removed from the Gens

Martiana website.

• QSP: QSP Abstenio , REVISED VOTE: I first abstained on both candidates but I

have decided to revise my vote. Personally I would like to have had QFM stay on as Proconsul in California and I listed my reasons on a number of occasions. No provinces have grown in great leaps and bounds and starting with myself, I feel that stones should not be thrown in a glass house. We shall soon see if changing out QFM will resolve anything there.: Item II Appointment of a Praetor of California

Marcus Martianus Gangalius is appointed Praetor of California: QSP: UTI ROGAS

Some of us have lost it on a few occasions, were ready to throw in the towel or strangle the administration (figuratively speaking) but came back and accomplished things with great vigour. The past is the past and now is what will count in my opinion. : Item III Appointment of a Praetor of California

L. Iunius Bassus is appointed Praetor of California : QSP - ABSTENIO:

I also hope he'll be appointed as a Legate and in time should be groomed to

run for Propraetor. Meanwhile availability and transport are critical for this job.

• CEC: ANTIQUO
• MMPH: Negas. I have no objection against candidatus Martianus; I simply

prefer that the other candidatus be given an opportunity for the current year.

• LAF: Antiqvo. I have nothing against him. But I must state my

preference of Bassus because I can testimony his capacity of work.

• LECA: VTI ROGAS

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=173 I don't believe that anything I would say on Marcus' behalf would change the minds of those who oppose him. I will say that while many have quit for far lesser reason than he had to leave he stayed and has offered himself again for service. He has given us a very impressive resume and taken time to debate and defend himself in the Forum. I have not seen anything from the other candidate. I would have been pleased to see his resume. Also, I think that the Consules should have given us more information as to the candidates age, length of citizenship, service record during the contio. Does the other candidate still wish to be appointed? Or perhaps he sees the wisdom in taking a Legate position as a proper first step?

• CFD: VTI ROGAS
• CL: Antiquo.
• QFM: VTI ROGAS

I wasn't going to vote in protest about the shabby way I was treated after spending the time, money and effort in keeping California viable. I was especially saddened by the fact most Senators here are sheep, unable to do nothing but follow the herd. Next time you want to know about me, ask me directly, don't listen to people who are my avowed enemies. That said, people who do know me voted me to stay, and I'll not soon forget their kindness.

I have known Marcus Martianus Gangalius since I met him at Celebrate History in 1999. He is intelligent, grounded in history, a follower of the Religio, and has independence. He is the obvious choice. He also never quit Nova Roma when he could have, he backed the wrong side in the Constitutional Wars and was censored for it. I only say that, because continuity is an important thing.

Yes, he was disappointed when his Gens was broken up. Who wouldn't be? But he has taken no loyalty oath that says he has to accept all of NR's changes. Keep that in mind when you read that proclamation. He is loyal to Rome unlike loudmouthed Senators here would like you to believe. Otherwise he would not have stepped forward when asked to do so.

• ATMC: ANTIQUO.
• ATS: Neither candidate is a perfect choice, but I have very serious reservations

about this candidate in light of his behavior toward me and others as well as with regard to items drawn from the website of what he refers to as HIS gens.

• ANTIQVO.
• DIPI: VTI ROGAS
• MBA: antiquo
• GSA: I vote against it. He does not seem to be cast off the right material to

me.

• SAS: ANTIQUO
• CCS: Antiquo.
• FAC: ABSTINEO
• JSM: ANTIQUO
• MMA: This vote is a difficult one to make between two candidates who have

different attributes for taking on the position. Personally, I do not care for Gangalious, or his actions and writings, nor do I particularly care for the great list of his qualifications. However those are personal feelings, and as a Senator should have no aspect in my voting. Candidate Bassus seems a sincre young man without many ways to deal with his job, and California is not as easy to getaround in without personal transportation as is Britannia. Many wh have never visited Califiornia do not realize that. I too was disappointed that Senator Maximus was outed from this position, and Itend to think his reasoning was sound n his arguments against it. The current "discussion" over this partiular vote seems to support that view, and who should know better than he, who was the ProConsul there for years? However, I personally hope that Senasoor Maximus will assist Gangulous in his duties, and if Bassus accepts a position as Legate, both of these aspects woud gofar to relieve my anxieties in regard to this vote. Item 1-- Gangulous for Preator of the Province of Calif.

• MMA--YES

Item 2--Bassus for Praetor of the Province of Calif.

• MMA--NO I make this vote without makice toward any, and hope sincerely that my

vote will see the provinc through the coming serious considerations of Nova Roma;

• MIP: Abstineo

Item III Appointment of a Praetor of California L. Iunius Bassus is appointed Praetor of California

• TGP: Antiquo I do wish that L. Iunius Bassus will be willing to serve an

apprenticeship under Marcus Martianus Gangalius and if he does we will have two citizens eager to help California grow.

• GEM: Abstiene
• GPL: I vote Abstineo on both items. REVISED VOTE: LAENAS: Quintus Suetonius

Paulinus speaks my thoughts exactly. I also wish to revise my vote as follows: Marcus Martianus Gangalius is appointed Praetor of California Laenas: VTI ROGAS L. Iunius Bassus is appointed Praetor of California Laenas: Antiquo

• PMS: vti rogas
• GFBM: Uti rogas. For the record I don't consider Bassus a "croney" as has

been insinuated by Consul Paulinus who seems to think a vote for Bassus is a vote for "cronyism," and I resent the implication. I have no idea whether this young man will be successful, but I'm willing to give him a chance and if he doesn't prove successful we find another option.

• TOPA: Uti rogas.

Though I don't know him personally, I will trust the recommendation of several of my colleagues.

• MOG: ANTIQUO, without malice; I vote instead for Gangalius, and

thank L. Iunius Bassus for his willingness to serve.

• CFBQ: UTI ROGAS to L. Iunius Bassus as PROpraetor of California.

I will vote to give Provincia California a new governor. Bassus is new as a a leader in Nova Roma and California and I am not sure that he will be up to this task, but he wouldn't be the first citizen to be given a fair chance to prove himself at this level. If he can do it, fine and if not, the Senate will have to look for a new one next year. But I will NOT vote to replace the old arrogant and incompetent governor with a new one that is as arrogant and disloyal and who hasn't proven himself either.

• QSP Abstenio . REVISED VOTE: I first abstained on both candidates but I have

decided to revise my vote. Personally I would like to have had QFM stay on as Proconsul in California and I listed my reasons on a number of occasions. No provinces have grown in great leaps and bounds and starting with myself, I feel that stones should not be thrown in a glass house. We shall soon see if changing out QFM will resolve anything there.: Item II Appointment of a Praetor of California

Marcus Martianus Gangalius is appointed Praetor of California: QSP: UTI ROGAS

Some of us have lost it on a few occasions, were ready to throw in the towel or strangle the administration (figuratively speaking) but came back and accomplished things with great vigour. The past is the past and now is what will count in my opinion. : Item III Appointment of a Praetor of California

L. Iunius Bassus is appointed Praetor of California : QSP - ABSTENIO:

I also hope he'll be appointed as a Legate and in time should be groomed to

run for Propraetor. Meanwhile availability and transport are critical for this job.

• CEC: UTI ROGAS

I particularly like this bit from the resolution on the gens Martiana website:

"since the republic now discourages the growth of the gens Martiana, thus the gens is no longer obligated to encourage the growth of the republic, and indeed, the growth of the republic has become inimical to the interests of our gens and our constituent familiae, all mention of Nova Roma shall be removed from the Gens Martiana website."

I would be more impressed if he had figured out a way of not mentioning the proper name of the Republic at all throughout, as otherwise the resolution violates itself. When I was a boy, talk like this would have seen him setting up a little house on some bleak promontory overlooking the Black Sea.

• MMPH: Uti Rogas.
• LAF: UT ROGAS. I have much confidence on Bassus capacities.
• LECA: Antiquo

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=10303 I'm pleased that we have a choice, but I believe that Bassus should begin as a Legate as has been suggested, a fine idea.

• CFD: Antiquo
• CL: Uti rogas.

As a side note - considering that the only point which has been raised in criticism against L. Iunius Bassus is that he is a student without his own transportation - that was true of me when I took on the governorship of Britannia, so it is not impossible!

• QFM: Antiquo
• ATMC: VTI ROGAS.
• ATS: VTI ROGAS.
• DIPI: Antiquo
• MBA: Uti Rogas
• GSA: I vote in favour.
• SAS: UTI ROGAS

However I hope they will be able to work together in good spirit.

• CCS: Uti rogas.
• FAC: ABSTINEO. I don't know this gentlemen.
• JSM: UTI ROGAS

• MMA: This vote is a difficult one to make between two candidates who have

different attributes for taking on the position. Personally, I do not care for Gangalious, or his actions and writings, nor do I particularly care for the great list of his qualifications. However those are personal feelings, and as a Senator should have no aspect in my voting. Candidate Bassus seems a sincre young man without many ways to deal with his job, and California is not as easy to getaround in without personal transportation as is Britannia. Many wh have never visited Califiornia do not realize that. I too was disappointed that Senator Maximus was outed from this position, and Itend to think his reasoning was sound n his arguments against it. The current "discussion" over this partiular vote seems to support that view, and who should know better than he, who was the ProConsul there for years? However, I personally hope that Senasoor Maximus will assist Gangulous in his duties, and if Bassus accepts a position as Legate, both of these aspects woud gofar to relieve my anxieties in regard to this vote. Item 1-- Gangulous for Preator of the Province of Calif. --MMA--YES Item 2--Bassus for Praetor of the Province of Calif. --MMA--NO I make this vote without makice toward any, and hope sincerely that my vote will see the provinc through the coming serious considerations of Nova Roma;

• MIP: Abstineo

RESULTS OF ITEM II:

VTI ROGAS: 10 ANTIQVO: 15 ABSTINEO: 2

NOT PASSED

RESULTS OF ITEM III:

VTI ROGAS: 15 ANTIQVO: 8 ABSTINEO: 4

PASSED

The Senate appoints L. Iunius Bassus as Praetor of Provincia Californiae.

Optime Valete

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