Session LXXXI 8 Feburary 2760
February 8, 2760
After the confusion with the schedules, the extensions and the problems with the mail servers here is the final report of the Senate Session is as follows [I hope to have not returned to mistake (as it is my custom) nor to have omitted votes (valid or not) or commentaries. If I have returned to mistake I will request your pardon]:
The Senate was called to order on February 8, 2007. The Contio was held on agenda items until February 10, 2007. Voting on the agenda items was then held from February 10 , 06:00 to February 12, 2007, 06:00 (time of Rome).
The Presiding Magistrate, Consul Galerius Paulinus, dixit: Discussion will commence at 6:00 am, Roman time on ante diem VI Idus Februarias MMDCCLX a.u.c.(Thursday February 8, 2007) voting will commence at 6:am Roman Time on a.d. IV Id. Feb MMDCCLX a.u.c.(Saturday February 10, 2007) and will end at 6:am Roman Time on pr. Id. Ian. MMDCCLX a.u.c.(Monday February 12, 2007).
On February 12 2007 at 11: 52 pm roman time , the Consul Galerius Paulinus extended the deadline until de 11:59 am roman time of February 12: this extension made more than 17 hours after the deadline fixed by Consul in his Call to Order is not valid. Such an extension should only be made during the voting period.
On February 12 2007, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was declared closed by the Consul Galerius Paulinus, in which 32 senatores voted:
20 Senators voted within the term settled down for such aim and their votes are valid votes. 12 Senators voted outside term and their votes are null votes and cannot be considered.
The quorum needed for the session is therefore fulfilled.
Here are the list of the 20 voting Senators (their votes are valid votes),
listed by date and and reception time of their votes in the list of the Senate:
- [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
- [LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
- [GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
- [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
- [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
- [CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
- [MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
- [FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus
- [CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
- [SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
- [GPL] Gaius Popilius Laenas
- [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
- [MCJ] Marcus Cassius Julianus
- [MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
- [LECA] L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
- [MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
- [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
- [MMH] Marcus Moravius Horatianus
- [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
- [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
The votes of the following 12 Senators are registered in the List of the Senate
like received after the 6 a.m. hour of Rome (their votes are null votes and
cannot be considered):
- [CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 7,50 am)
- [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior (after 6 am Roma Hour = 8,00 am)
- [GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 9,42 am)
- [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 9,44 am)
- [ATS] A. Tullia Scholastica (after 6 am Roma Hour = 10,17 am)
- [GSA) Cnaeus Salvius Astur (after 6 am Roma Hour = 10,17 am)
- [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 10,30 am)
- [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica (after 6 am Roma Hour = 1,12 pm)
- [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus ((after 6 am Roma Hour = 6,41 pm)
- [AMA] A. Moravia Aurelia (after 6 am Roma Hour = 6,48 pm)
- [CEC] Caius Equitius Cato (after 6 am Roma Hour = 7,59 pm)
- [LEA] L. Sergius Australicus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 8,13 pm)
The votes received after the 6 a.m. hour of Rome have not been entered because are null votes, although they have been copied and marked with " (post 6 am)".
Item I - The Senate revokes the SC 15 October 2757 recognizing the Spanish association "Provincia Hispania de Nova Roma" as part of Nova Roma
Results
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- TGP: UTI ROGAS
- LAF: UTI ROGAS
- GFBM: UTI ROGAS. Since the association approved by the senate in 2004 is no
longer affiliated with Nova Roma it seems appropriate to disassociate legally from them.
- QSP: UTI ROGAS. I also agree that since the association approved by the senate
in 2004 is no longer affiliated with Nova Roma it seems appropriate to disassociate legally from them. UTI ROGAS. The Association no longer wishes to be attached to Nova Roma, therefore Nova Roma should not be attached to it.
- CFBQ: UTI ROGAS.Sadly enough the presnt situation has lead to this point.
- MOG: UTI ROGAS, with sorrow.
- FVG: Yes
- CCS: Uti rogas, I would have hoped that matter would have brought to the Senate
in different way, but the outcome is the same.
- SAS: Uti rogas, sadly enough.
- GPL: UTI ROGAS
- PMS: UTI ROGAS
- MCJ: UTI ROGAS
- MMS: YES, MMA; I agree wholeheartedly with this move.
- LECA: Vti Rogas
- MAB: Uti Rogas
- FAC: VTI ROGAS
- MMH: UTI ROGAS
- ATMC - UTI ROGAS
- JSM: Vti Rogas. I am grieved at this turn of events and hope that, in
time, relations with cives Hispaniae will improve
- CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- [GMM] Vti rogas I vote to revoke that senatus consultum (post 6 am)
- QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
- ATS: Vtí rogás (post 6 am)
- GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
- MIP: Vtí rogás. (post 6 am)
- ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
- [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- AMA: UTI ROGAS. (post 6 am)
- CEC: UTI ROGAS (post 6 am)
- LEA: I will vote "Yes" to all of the items on the agenda. (post 6 am)
UTI ROGAS: 20/0/0
SC is revoked
Item II - Marcus Curiatius Complutensis is appointed Propraetor of Hispania
Results
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- TGP UTI ROGAS
- LAF: UTI ROGAS
- GFBM: UTI ROGAS. I am pleased with the work of Complutensis and happy to see him
willing to serve.
- QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM UTI ROGAS. A good man who's going to have a difficult job this next year. CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. I have every trust in he is an honorable and loyal citizen and will make a good Propraetor in these difficult times.
- MOG: UTI ROGAS, yes, he's one of our best people.
- FVG: Abstain
- CCS: Uti rogas, he has lot to do, but I'm confident he can do it.
- SAS: Uti Rogas : I trust he will be the Propraetor we need in Hispania.
- GPL: UTI ROGAS
- PMS: UTI ROGAS
- MCJ: UTI ROGAS
- MMS: YES, MMA
- LECA: Vti Rogas
- MAB: Uti Rogas
- FAC: VTI ROGAS. I'm sure Complutensis is the best man to lead Hispania in this
hard moment
- MMH: UTI ROGAS
- ATMC - UTI ROGAS
- JSM: Vti Rogas. May Concordia guide his actions.
- CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
- QFM: ANTIQVO Our good Tribune was involved in this as well. Why should we ignore
this fact? We need some one totally aloof from the scandal. (post 6 am)
- ATS: Vtí rogás (post 6 am)
- GSA: I approve this proposal. Complutensis is the best person for the job. (post
6 am)
- MIP: Vtí rogás. (post 6 am)
- ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
- [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- AMA: UTI ROGAS. (post 6 am)
- CEC: UTI ROGAS (post 6 am)
- LEA: I will vote "Yes" to all of the items on the agenda. (post 6 am)
UTI ROGAS: 19/1/0
Item III - Letter to the citizens of Hispania
Proposal
A letter shall be drafted to the citizens of Hispania letting them know that they are valued in Nova Romans and that we are willing to listen to their concerns.
The letter should also ask that if the NR Hispania website/domain name was paid for by Nova Roman funds that it be turned over to our Propraetor for use by the Nova Roman province of Hispania.
Results
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- TGP UTI ROGAS
- LAF Antiquo. I agree with the words of one Consular here. How effective would be
a letter to such decision?
- GFBM: UTI ROGAS. I hope those citizens who are in the association will continue
their citizenship in Nova Roma.
- QSP: UTI ROGAS
- GEM: UTI ROGAS. I hope this letter will be written soon and signed by both
consuls on behalf of the Senate.
- CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. I wish all our citizens in Provincia Hispania all the best and
hope that some of those who consider to leave will stay and some who are passive at the moment rally to the Res Publica to make Nova Roma strong again in Hispania.
- MOG: UTI ROGAS.
- FVG: No
- CCS: Uti rogas, with it and following actions I hope we can convince hispanici
and everyone that the Senate listens and cares about the welfare of the citizens SAS: Uti Rogas: imho a much needed letter
- GPL: UTI ROGAS
- PMS: UTI ROGAS
- MCJ: UTI ROGAS although I fear that neither of these will do much good
- MMA: YES, MMA; The Senate to my knowledge has always been willing to listen to
any citizen's concerns, if the citizens can and are willing to take the same amount of time and effort to notify the Senate specifically of their concerns, as they are to act against Nova Roma, and using general disaffections as an excuse to leave NR. It takes some effort after all to be a citizen, and to bring forward the concerns to the governing body of Magistrates and Senators for their review. Such has not been forthcoming from any departing Spanish citizen to my knowledge.
- LECA:
- MAB: Uti Rogas
- FAC: VTI ROGAS
- MMH: UTI ROGAS
- ATMC - UTI ROGAS
- JSM: an essential action. No more time must be lost. likewise important. I agree
with others in chambers in recommending transfer of provincial data to the NR Wiki.
- CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
- QFM: ANTIQVO (post 6 am)
I. The Roman Senate never listened to any concerns. Read some history...And remember, they joined us, we didn't join them. II. If we change our system every time someone bitches about us, we are not going to accomplish much. I suspect 50% of these dis -franchised citizens will be back in the NR fold before year's end.
- ATS: Abstineó. I fully support sending a letter; indeed, I favor sending one
or more envoys, should that be possible. However, I am not certain about the website situation, which I thought would be completely separated, as some have voted on it, so will abstain. (post 6 am)
- GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
- MIP: Abstineo. (post 6 am)
- ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
- [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- AMA: UTI ROGAS. (post 6 am)
- CEC: UTI ROGAS (post 6 am)
- LEA: I will vote "Yes" to all of the items on the agenda. (post 6 am)
UTI ROGAS: 17/0/2 BLANK BALLOT: 1 Item passed
Item IV - A letter to the new association should respectfully ask that the new association refrain from using the name or logos of Nova Roma, Inc.
Results
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- TGP UTI ROGAS
- LAF Antiquo
- GFBM: UTI ROGAS
- QSP: UTI ROGAS
- GEM: UTI ROGAS
- CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. This must of course be done.
- MOG: UTI ROGAS.
- FVG: No
- CCS: Uti rogas, Spanish association needs to respect our copyrights.
- SAS: Uti Rogas.
- GPL: UTI ROGAS
- PMS: UTI ROGAS
- MCJ: UTI ROGAS - if there is a possibility that there could be further conflict
over this, we must have stated clearly our intent that these things not be used.
- MMA: YES, MMA; Very good!!
- LECA: Vti Rogas
- MAB: Uti Rogas
- FAC: VTI ROGAS
- MMH: UTI ROGAS
- ATMC - UTI ROGAS
- JSM: Vti Rogas
- CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
- QFM: VTIROGAS By Internet Law they can't. We withdrew our permission to use it.
(post 6 am)
- ATS: Vtí rogás, (post 6 am)
- GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
- MIP: Vtí rogás. (post 6 am)
- ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
- [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- AMA: UTI ROGAS. (post 6 am)
- CEC: UTI ROGAS (post 6 am)
- LEA: I will vote "Yes" to all of the items on the agenda. (post 6 am)
UTI ROGAS: 18/0/2
Item V - Appointments and prorogations of governors
5.1. - A. Moravia Aurelia for America Austroccidentalis
Results
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- TGP UTI ROGAS
- LAF Uti Rogas
- GFBM: UTI ROGAS
- QSP: UTI ROGAS
- GEM: UTI ROGAS. She's been good so far. I hope this will allow her to be even
better.
- CFBQ: UTI ROGAS.She has my full support as I know that she will do her job well.
- MOG: UTI ROGAS.
- FVG: Abstain
- CCS: Uti rogas, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as
Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote about that.
- SAS: Uti Rogas.
- GPL: UTI ROGAS
- PMS: UTI ROGAS
- MCJ: UTI ROGAS
- MMA: YES, MMA
- LECA: Vti Rogas
- MAB: Uti Rogas
- FAC: VTI ROGAS
- MMH: UTI ROGAS
- ATMC - UTI ROGAS
- JSM: Vti Rogas. An outstanding individual. It is good to see her continue this
important leadership.
- CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
- QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
- ATS: The title here should again be propraetríx, not propraetor. However, it
seems to be the thought that counts, so utí rogás here as well (post 6 am)
- GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
- MIP: Vtí rogás. (post 6 am)
- ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
- [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- AMA: Abstineo. (post 6 am)
- CEC: UTI ROGAS (post 6 am)
- LEA: I will vote "Yes" to all of the items on the agenda. (post 6 am)
UTI ROGAS: 19/1/0
5.2. - Marcus Iulius Severus for Mexico
Results
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- TGP UTI ROGAS
- LAF Uti Rogas
- GFBM: UTI ROGAS
- QSP: UTI ROGAS
- GEM: UTI ROGAS. A fine citizen who gives much to Nova Roma. He will continue to
serve us well in Mexico.
- CFBQ: He has my support. UTI ROGAS
- MOG: UTI ROGAS.
- FVG: Abstain
- CCS: Uti rogas, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as
Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote about that.
- SAS: Uti Rogas.
- GPL: UTI ROGAS
- PMS: UTI ROGAS
- MCJ: UTI ROGAS
- MMA: YES, MMA
- LECA: Vti Rogas
- MAB: Uti Rogas
- FAC: VTI ROGAS
- MMH: UTI ROGAS
- ATMC - UTI ROGAS
- JSM: Vti Rogas
- CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
- QFM: ABSTAINO. How many citizens are in Mexico right now? Enough to justify a
Propraetor? (post 6 am)
- ATS: Vtí rogás. It’s my understanding that he holds meetings of citizens in his
home area, and has been active in that and other aspects of the provincial life. (post 6 am)
- GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
- MIP: Vtí rogás. (post 6 am)
- ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
- [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
- AMA: UTI ROGAS. (post 6 am)
- CEC: UTI ROGAS (post 6 am)
- LEA: I will vote "Yes" to all of the items on the agenda. (post 6 am)
UTI ROGAS: 19/1/0
Marcus Iulius Severus is appointed as Propraetor of Mexico
5.3. - F. Apulus Caesar for Italia ("Praefectus Italiae")
Results
UR: 19, ABS: 2 (FAC, FVG), ANT (QFM): 1 : the sub-item has passed.
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- GEM: UR. One of our very best.
- CFBQ: UR. I am happy to see my old friend working so hard fro the Res Publica in our motherland Italia.
- CCS: UR, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote about that.
- GMM: UR (post 6 am) I vote to appoint F. Apulus Caesar but point out that, according to the senatus consultum approved in the last session, his title should be Praefectus Italiae.
- ATS: I am not sure if this is the correct title, but again, the thought counts, so UR. (post 6 am)
- MIP: UR, of course. He's simply a great governor! Should the title be Praefectus Italiae as for last SC about Italia? (post 6 am)
Item VI - Appointment of interpreters
8.1. - M. Iulius Severus is appointed interpreter of Spanish
Results
UR: 19, ABS: 1 (FVG), ANT: 0 : the sub-item has passed.
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- GEM: UTI ROGAS. Severus is certainly up to the task.
8.2. - Publius Constantinus Placidus is appointed interpreter of Italian
Results
UR: 19, ABS: 1 (FVG), ANT: 0 : the sub-item has passed.
Votes and opinions
No special commentary.
8.3. - A. Tullia Scholastica is appointed interpreter of Latin
Results
UR: 20, ABS: 0, ANT: 0 : the sub-item has passed.
Votes and opinions
The following senators issued the following commentaries:
- LAF Uti Rogas. Taking Consul Publicola as an example, I will have to do
something which hurts me too much. However, People and the gods had chose me Consul to act boldly, although actually I hate this speech I am only obligued by facts to do. Let me use this vote to denounce the abuse of power Consul Paulinus did on this election to all people. Citizen L. Iunius Bassus asked rightfully to become propraetor of California. Bassus is completely able to become governor by NR law. But by an abuse of power, Consul Paulinus denied to put its name to this election, thinking he ´was too new´. Well, the one who have to decide if a citizen is new or not is the Senate, since Bassus is allowed by NR law to become governor. Is the will of Paulinus bigger than the law, quirites? By dening the right of a citizen to have its name legally submitted to the Senate, Consul Paulinus tarnished its name. By dening the Senate the right to choose, Consul Paulinus throwed to the ground all balance of powers of the Roman Republic. Let me know to people, only the tight agenda of this prevented me or the Tribunes to act. But Consul Faustus will not take out the rights of the Senate, neither the right of the People. I myself will call the Senate to vote the name of Bassus. California shall not be let alone. Nothing on NR law prevent Bassus to become governor. Nothing prevent its name to be submited to the Senate. If Consul Paulinus wants to decide alone, he will have to decide by its own vote, like me or any other Senator. And I pray to Iove Optimus Maximus that while NR existis, such abuse of power will never more be allowed. It is a shame for the Republic, on such time full of shame, that a Consul make such blatant abuse of authority. I ask the Tribunes, Praetores and Senatores a close watch to never let any other Consul fall on the same temptation of autocracy.
- GEM: UTI ROGAS. Scholastica is one of our finest Latinists.
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