Senate Vote Quinctilis MMDCCLXI (Nova Roma)

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This is a report of a session of the Nova Roma Senate of a.d. XVI Kal. Sex. , M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI a.u.c..

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Iulius Probus tribunus plebis SPD.

Senate Voting Results.

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been tallied as follows:

Voting began at 06.00 hrs CET on Thursday 17 July 2761 and ended at 21.00 hrs CET on Sunday 20 July 2761.

The following 26 Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below by their initials, in the order in which they cast their votes:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus.
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius.
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus.
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis.
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus.
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas.
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna.
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus.
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia.
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior.
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus.
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica.
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo.

The following 8 Senators did not cast a vote (their absence was not announced or justified):

  • [MCJ] Marcus Cassius Iulianus
  • [GEC] Gaius Equitius Cato
  • [CFD] Gaius Flavius Diocletianus
  • [FGA] Flavius Galerius Aurelianus
  • [GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus
  • [MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
  • [LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
  • [FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus

The following Senator absence was justified:

  • [MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens - absence justified.

The necessary majority for a Senatus consultum was therefore 14 votes in favor. "UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention.

The Senate was called to vote on the following agenda:

Item I

Item I.a.

The Senate hereby grants all Vestales Virgines of Nova Roma an exemption from the tributum whereby they shall not now and for all times in the future be required to pay the annual tax and shall nevertheless retain their status as assidui and thus eligible to also retain their sacerdotal offices in perpetuity.

  • UTI ROGAS 21.
  • ABSTINEO 3.
  • ANTIQUO 2.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS I think the purpose of this proposal will benefit Nova Roma in the future.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS I also think the purpose of this proposal will benefit Nova Roma in the future.
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: ANTIQUO for this proposal is unconstitutional : neither a magisterial edict nor a a senatus consultum can bring an exception to rules that are, as currently, organized by leges. On the proceedings, the fact that this point has been put in the agenda 3 days ago with no possibility of preliminary discussion, while the current Senate session is open since June 19, is irregular, as is the fact that no previous opinion from the Collegium Pontificum has been asked and displayed on the matter. On the matter, there are other ways to thank any public officer for well fulfilling their charge.
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS with the understanding that the The Apula de assidui et capiti censi which defines taxpayers and non-taxpayers will be placed before the voters for amendment. A Senatus consulta can not override the requirements of a Lex The Lex will have to be amended in order to give this exemption the force of law?
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:ABSTINEO
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti Rogas. Let us put in motion what is needed to do this lawfully.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas, though as Consularis Paulinus has pointed out, it may be necessary to amend the Lex Apula de assiduis et capite censis in order for this to be put into effect.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS Vestals work pro populo so the Senate can remit their tax
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior: Abstineo.
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:VTI ROGAS
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:ABSTINEO
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo: ANTIQUO. Constitutionally, the legislative body most in charge of the policies of the Collegium Pontificium is the Collegium herself. The concerns of some Senators regarding existing comitia laws are well taken, and with that, I recognize the Senate's authority regarding the republic's financial distribution. However, constitutionally, the criteria by which religious personnel are allowed to hold titles, how they are rewarded, disciplined, etc. is not for the Senate to determine....it is the Collegium. And there is an existing Religious Decretum on the matter at hand:[1] As it stands they are legally bound to pay taxes. I have not seen this religious legislation repealed. Am I incorrect? Assuming I am not (and I haven't seen any announcement to this end)I must vote no until the religious decretum above is amended to reflect that our proposal above is in keeping with the constitutionally privileged policy of the Collegium running her own internal affairs. I will support further steps to ensure that they may be granted perpetual assiduiship, if the collegium decrees that this is their wish. We have to be constitutional.

Item I.b.

The Senate directs that all public sacerdotes make an annual report to the Collegium Pontificum of any funds they receive and any expenses they pay in the performance of rites specifically for the Res Publica of Nova Roma. The Collegium Pontificum shall be responsible for gathering this information from all public sacerdotes and the Pontifex Maximus shall be responsible for reporting their findings semi annually to the Consules, Quaestores Consulares, and Curator Aerarii by 31 July and 31 January.

  • UTI ROGAS 20.
  • ABSTINEO 2.
  • ANTIQUO 4.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS. I am not sure if this is needed, but let's try.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas. However,I think that our sacerdotes should be able to get their taxes reimbursed through showing they are performing rituals on behalf of Nova Roma. Most magesterial tasks require time, being a sacerdos requires time and money to perform the rituals. To some this money is no big investment, to others it is.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: ANTIQUO, for for this proposal is also unconstitutional : on one hand, the Senate can, as the body in charge of the Budget of the Republic, organize the rules and proceedings relative to the goals for which NR public funds are spent, and how to control these expenses; but on the other hand, it cannot put a new obligation to the Collegium Pontificum's charge without Its preliminary agreement, specially because the CP is not, in our constitution and leges, bound by the acts of every sacerdos and is a separate constitutional power not placed under the Senate's overview (see Constitution § V and VI). So, even if our legal texts do not cover the field treated here by Item Ib, the Senate is legally authorized to take powers which our laws does not give it.
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: ANTIQUO. This proposal should be changed so it reads as a suggestion to the Collegium Pontificum as to what the Senate recommends should be required of all public sacerdotes.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis: ABSTINEO
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:ABSTINEO
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti Rogas. Let us put in motion what is needed to do this lawfully.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: ANTIQUO. Should be changed so it reads as a suggestion to the Collegium Pontificum.
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas, though here again we may have to change the wording and/or amend legislation.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS. As a sacerdos I am all for financial transparancy. It ensures an ethical priesthood.
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Uti Rogas
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:VTI ROGAS
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:ANTIQUO. Again, this must line up with a religious decretum. The Collegium dictates policy on their internal affairs, which includes member redentials, behaviour, etc. The Senate does not. I will cooperate with the wishes of the collegium after I formally hear from them via decretum, supporting whatever subsequent legal amendments are necessary...I will not, by unconstitutional means however, tell them what to do.

Item II.

Withdrawn

Item III.

The Senate hereby approves of the Consules acting on behalf of Nova Roma to accept sponsorship from "Babyhold" and to direct our Magister Aranearius to provide space on the Nova Roma website that advertises "Babyhold" sponsorship for Nova Roma. In developing this relationship, the Consules are likewise to develop guidelines for potential future sponsors of Nova Roma, these guidelines to be submitted to the Senate Rules Committee before final submission to the full Senate for approval.

  • UTI ROGAS 22.
  • ABSTINEO 2.
  • ANTIQUO 2.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus:Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS, this this we are taking a big step forward. We might find that our website and our Res Publica can draw more money like this to us, as long as it doesn't hurt our "look", I am all for it.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: ABSTINEO, because the consular proposal asks us to "accept sponsorship from 'Babyhold'", and not to "enter in discussion with B.", which I would approved. If this item is voted, I am confident in the fact that the consuls will be cautious enough to propose, if things are to go further, a contractual relation with potential sponsors which will take in due consideration the fact that Nova Roma intends to keep its sovereignty on its web pages; the "end of contract" clauses will thus need to be carefully examined in this frame. Second, I would be confident also that our consuls are wise enough to make proposals who do not take our Republic web pages for a pure commercial web site.
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS. This is a very important step for our Res publica.
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. It is afterall perhaps better to start negotiations with them than to let the opportunity to pass. However as I and others have pointed out, the contents of their service is not in par with the quality standards we are used to. I would like to see in the negotiations also dicussed a possible field of cooperation between us and them in a way that we could provide properly researched information about the Roman names.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola.Uti Rogas.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS, I too have trouble understanding why Babyhold would want to sposor NR and have concerns about appearances, but I see no harm in the Consuls investigating.
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS. It certainly can't hurt for us to investigate what this would entail. I would not want any such advertisement on the "splash" page, but on the main page.
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Antiquo
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Abstineo. I have reservations about their motives, and in any case do not like the concept of advertising on our website, particularly on the main pages
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS, I think it is splendid for Nova Roma to generate income. Praise goes to M. Octavius Gracchus and M. Lucretius Agricola for our NRwiki that receives so many hits
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Uti Rogas
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:VTI ROGAS
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS. I support the creation of guidelines for the management of the sponsorships. I would suggest to prefer cultural supporters working in our same field, the Ancient World. Welcoming Google AdSense (filtering the banners for cultural matters only), it could be a good opportunity to raise money and improve our position in the search enigines..
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:ANTIQUO. As with others, I am not entirely satisfied with the credentials of this sponsor, or the long term benefit to the republic. For the moment any way.

Item IV.

Withdrawn

  • [PMS] If this is the item for a few sestertii for the conventus, I would have cheerfully voted for it. I realize that there was no budget put forth last year, but we could still have voted to put a few coins in the sinus...we've done so in the past.

Item V.

The Senate hereby revokes the senatus consultum of 26 November MMDCCLVI to classify the land in Texas as ager publicus.

  • UTI ROGAS 26.
  • ABSTINEO 0.
  • ANTIQUO 0.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS, this have to be done!
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas. Lets get this embarassment behind us!
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS, with my thanks to Cos. Moravius for the work done with his team, and having understood that this SC was unconstitutional.
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS. Excellent decision!
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. I'm glad that this fiasco is been finally cleared officially. A lesson to learn for all of us surely.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti Rogas.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas and let this be a lesson to us all. Caveat emptor!
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus: UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas (disappointing indeed)
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas, et ex animo. Delenda est ilico et illius mentio infelix infaustaque.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS, a must.
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Uti Rogas
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:VTI ROGAS
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:UTI ROGAS A necessary internal measure to align with our future actions on this outside Nova Roma.

Item VI.

The Senate approves of Nova Roma, Inc. joining the Maine Association of Nonprofits (MANP) [2] at a cost of fifty U. S. dollars ($50) per year subscriptions fee in order to receive legal advice and other services.

  • UTI ROGAS 17.
  • ABSTINEO 4.
  • ANTIQUO 5.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS, once again a step towards professionalism.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas. I applaud M. Hortensia Maior for advocating for this investment, which I believe will be a good one.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS, will help keep our noses clean.
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS, even if we still wait for precisions on the "other services", and with the wish that the consuls issue every year a short report on whether and how this service would have been used.
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: ANTIQUO. Having talked to the people at MANP the `free legal" advice Is for ONE 30 minute time period ONCE. They have one lawyer who donates a set block of time and the advice is given on a first come first served basis. Membership in the group gets us nothing.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS. I concur with Senator and Censor K. Fabius Buteo Modianus: theour dear collegae, Senatrix M. Hortensia Maior, deserves a well earned recognition for this proposal.
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:ABSTINEO
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. Let's see if they can be of any help for our administration on macronational matters.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti Rogas.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas: ANTIQUO, I know it is only $50, but I see no need for this and as Censor Paulinus has pointed out it is of very dubious value.
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:ANTIQUO. I echo the comments of Laenas and Paulinus that this has not been shown to be of great value, despite the low cost.
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus: Antiquo. I do not feel that we would be getting good value for our fee here. While the idea of joining some association that would help us with legal issues unique to Maine nonprofit associations is a good one, this particular association doesn't seem to be the answer.
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Abstineo. I am less than convinced about the merits of this.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS, We need professional advice. This insures it at a low cost
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior: Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus: ANTIQVO.
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar: ABSTINEO. I don't know what is this Association, I don't know if we need its help.
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:UTI ROGAS - Hey, we paid 35.00 yearly on land taxes for a few years. I'd say try it for a couple of years, and if it isn't all it's cracked up to be, then we unsubscribe. I don't see where that will hurt us.

Item VII.

The Senate hereby approves of the objectives and focus areas laid out in the project proposal of Aedilis Curulis P. Memius Albucius. The proposal is as follows.

  • Proposals for the Magna Mater Project:

The first objective set for the Magna Mater Project has been completed. We shall now seek Senate approval and guidance on our next objectives. Based on the Senate's decisions a multi-phased plan extending over a number of years will be developed with an estimated schedule and estimated costs to be presented later this year. First to consider are a number of focus areas that will be developed for the project:

Focus A.

Financial support for a publication and translation of a master's or doctoral thesis on the "Mater Magna in the Roman Empire" with a target date of auc 2764 (2011).

  • UTI ROGAS 24.
  • ABSTINEO 1.
  • ANTIQUO 1.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: Contrary to the previous vote on MMP, where the future of the action was at stake and for which I considered that I was not, as aedilis curulis, to express any opinion, I am drawn this time, as the proposals beneath have been issued by my aedilitas and worked in a second time with the consulate, that I am to bring my support to this program. UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:TI ROGAS.
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti Rogas.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato; UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Abstieno. I can't vote for this until the idea is better formed,though in principle I think it's a good idea.
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas; correct terminology for the latter, however, is dissertation, not thesis.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS a great way to support scholarship and the gods
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Uti Rogas
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:UTI ROGAS - 'financial support'...amount to be fixed by the Senate is what I'm assuming here.

Focus B.

Financial support for the 3d virtual reconstruction of the Magna Mater temple and its immediate area Palatine. This virtual reconstruction would be either B1 or B2, below, at the Senate's option.

B1.

A basic reconstruction, not too detailed, taking around six months to complete.

  • UTI ROGAS 5.
  • ABSTINEO 3.
  • ANTIQUO 18.

Item not passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Negas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: ANTIQUO
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Antiquo.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: ANTIQUO.
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: ABSTINEO
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:ANTIQVO. We don't have resources for this project
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Antiquo. Knowing the costs of 3D and architectrual modeling from my daily work I know that we lack funds to do this.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Antiquo to both. I cannot approve this until I am sure that we are not duplicating the efforts of others with greater funding and superior resources.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:ANTIQUO
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Antiquo
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Antiquo. Inutile expenses.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:ANTIQUO
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Antiquo
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Antiquo
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Abstineo.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior; ANTIQUO
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:ANTIQUO
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Antiquo
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:ANTIQUO

B2.

A more advanced reconstruction made as part of a university project, with details scientifically labeled. This effort would instead take around twelve months to complete.

  • UTI ROGAS 15.
  • ABSTINEO 2.
  • ANTIQUO 9.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: ABSTINEO
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS. This option lies more within the field of our real possibilities
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS; on Focus B I choose B2
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Antiquo. Knowing the costs of 3d and architectrual modeling from my daily work I know that we lack funds to do this.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Antiquo to both. I cannot approve this until I am sure that we are not duplicating the efforts of others with greater funding and superior resources.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Antiquo
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Antiquo. Inutile expenses.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:ANTIQUO
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas. If we're going to do it, let's do it right.
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Antiquo
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Antiquo. 3D modelling is time consuming and expensive. A subproject such as this should be properly planned and have clear objectives
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:ANTIQUO

Focus C.

Financial contributions towards efforts to preserve the area around the Palatine Temple of Magna Mater, as conducted by the City of Rome and by other Italian authorities.

  • UTI ROGAS 22.
  • ABSTINEO 1.
  • ANTIQUO 2.
  • NO VOTE 1.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: As one possibile option open to us, Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS if it would be possible I would fully suport this.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS if it would be possible I would also support this.
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS. Surely this must be done with a very realistic approach, especially in the financial area
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. This is however very loosely put here, I would like to see more concrete plan and its relation to other focus areas.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas. I would have preferred that this item state clearly the type of recognition that we require.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna: no vote.
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas. I wish success to those who will negotiate with the Italian authorities. Taking in consideration my experience in this field, as former MMP coordinator, I have doubts these negotiations will succeed.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas. I will not continue to support this indefinitely if it becomes a big financial drain, but for now I'll assent to some limited involvement. I expect the Aediles to understand that we're not giving them a blank check here.
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Antiquo
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas. This, of course, largely depends on the cooperation of the Italian authorities, which is not at all certain, and on other matters
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:UTI ROGAS

Focus D.

Financial support for specific areas adjoining the Temple of Magna Mater grounds. For example, contributing to the construction of a "reflection area" with park benches; an information kiosk; or plaques to mark specific sites in the temple complex. Such an effort on the part of Nova Roma would depend, as in Focus C, on the plans of Italian authorities for the preservation of the area. The Aedilician team working with the Italian authorities would review the plans and determine what elements Nova Roma might be able to support.

  • UTI ROGAS 20.
  • ABSTINEO 1.
  • ANTIQUO 5.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: This needs to be explore more before any commitments are made, but as one possible option to allow open to us, Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS, but we need to get a working relation with the Italain authorities. If we can get such a relation tat would give us a lot of advantages. That is why I think we should concentrate most of our efforts to Italy and Rome. Not just out of historical reasons, but because progress in Italy will mean progress all over the world in our case.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas. Although I think this might be a little too ambitious.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS but I agree we need to get a working relation with the Italian authorities. I agree with CFBQ on this.
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:ANTIQVO. I wish that we will be able to do this in some future, but not now. We are not financially prepared for it.
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. This is however very loosely put here, I would like to see more concrete plan and its relation to other focus areas.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas. I would have preferred that this item state clearly the type of recognition that we require.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Antiquo. This is a laudable goal for a long-range plan, though.
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas but the same doubts as to the point D.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Abstieno. I don't think we know enough about this, though I might support it in the future.
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Antiquo
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas. I particularly like this option, but as noted in the proposal, this is not entirely in our hands. I would also hope that some of the items above are not disjunctive (either/or), but more inclusive.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS, Rome is our mother and we should concentrate on such real projects in Rome and Italy.
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Antiquo.
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:UTI ROGAS I'm glad it's recognized that the Italian authorities are going to call the shots on this one.

Focus E.

The production of a DVD on "Magna Mater in Rome."

  • UTI ROGAS 17.
  • ABSTINEO 2.
  • ANTIQUO 7.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas. This too might be a bit too ambitious, but I'll support it.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: : UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the

individual costs.

  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:ANTIQVO. Yes, let's produce some items to promote Nova Roma… But is this really the most important subject?
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. How does this relate to the ongoing DVD production? The project has a DVD material produced with only one 10 minute interview missing. Is this item the same as that DVD or does this mean something different?
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Antiquo. I cannot approve this until I am sure that we are not duplicating the efforts of others with greater funding and superior resources.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:ANTIQUO, I am confused here because some have noted that this is already in progress.
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Antiquo. Again, long-range plans with achievable short-term goals and more ambitious long-term goals are needed.
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas. It is already done in 90% proportion because the fine dedication of Senator Saturninus. I received a copy from Saturninus when I was aedile and it has an excellent quality, good materials, interviews and images. In a word it is professional product.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:ANTIQUO
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Abstieno
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Antiquo. A good long term plan, however
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas. I believe that this is already in progress under the capable supervision of Senator Saturninus.
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas. Would this be the same as the nearly finished Magna Mater DVD or a different project?
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:UTI ROGAS ...to finishing the orginal production of Saturninus et al...I don't see a need to reinvent the wheel.

Focus F.

Offer an online store that will sell fund raising Magna Mater materials.

  • UTI ROGAS 24.
  • ABSTINEO 1.
  • ANTIQUO 1.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: : UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. How does this relate to the ongoing and past discussions about webstore? There has already lot of work done in this front too, and I would hate to see losing it.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas. Good option for promotion and to bring some extra to the project.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas.
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:UTI ROGAS

Focus G.

Develop a plan to promote the Magna Mater Project through the NR websites and by other means.

  • UTI ROGAS 24.
  • ABSTINEO 1.
  • ANTIQUO 1.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: This is absolutely necessary in order to move further forward on this project. Adsentior uti rogas.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS, this is of course needed.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS, this makes good common sense
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. Although I must say this should be self-evident goal.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas. This is good method to promote the project and to increase the donations level.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas.
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo: UTI ROGAS..although this was initiated in 2006 under Sabinus Aedile, with some success.

MMP financial management

Secondly, we have to consider arrangements for the financial management of Nova Roma's part in the MM Project. The Consules and Aediles are to develop a plan that allows:

1.

The Aediles and their quaestors to hold more direct control over the project's financial management.

  • UTI ROGAS 20.
  • ABSTINEO 1.
  • ANTIQUO 5.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas. The Aediles need to be as responsive as they are responsible for this project. This policy statement looks to the Aediles, together with the Consules and our authorized signatories to act efficiently together to meet the needs of the project.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS This puts a important burden on the Aediles which means that future Aediles need to be selected with evn more consideration in the future as the responsibilities grow.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Antiquo. There is no need for any additional control.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas. I assume that we are voting to approve the development of a plan, and not voting for the execution of any element of that plan.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Antiquo. There already is control and I don't understand what the term 'more control' it means in this case.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas.
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Antiquo. I don't see any purpose for such additional bureoucracy
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:ANTIQUO Up to and including 2006 anyway, they've always done a budget, and have submitted same to the Consular Quaestores or Consuls for publication to the Senate, but I think any large scale expenditures should be approved by the Senate. This language is too vague I'm afraid...like signing a blank cheque.

2.

The integration of financial reporting on the Magna Mater Project into Nova Roma, Inc. financial reports.

  • UTI ROGAS 23.
  • ABSTINEO 1.
  • ANTIQUO 2.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas. This might be seen as a restatement of what is already in place, but it belongs in the over all policy statement for the MMP, as with any other projects we would wish to undertake.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS, as a part of making Nova Roma more professional it can't be said too many times.
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Antiquo. They are already integrated.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas. I assume that we are voting to approve the development of a plan, and not voting for the execution of any element of that plan.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas.
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS, yes, we have a fiduciary responsability to our cives and all donors
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:VTI ROGAS. I for one would like to know EXACTLY where our money is going.
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Antiquo. This has already been done
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo:UTI ROGAS

3.

A scheduled project development, according to the means allocated to the Aediles, by setting goals on sums to be allocated to different stages of the project and setting target dates on when these allocations are to be acquired and/or disbursed, in order to maintain a running account of the project's progress.

  • UTI ROGAS 26.
  • ABSTINEO 0.
  • ANTIQUO 0.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas. Absolutely necessary, as with any major project.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS to all of these if this is simply a draft proposal with more details to follow but ANTIQUO all of these items if we are doing any of them without knowing the individual costs.
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. This however should be self- evident part of actions.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas. I assume that we are voting to approve the development of a plan, and not voting for the execution of any element of that plan.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas. This is really the first step, along with raising funds.
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas.
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Uti Rogas
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:VTI ROGAS. We need reports. That is the

one thing that has been lacking here

  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo: UTI ROGAS

4.

The Aediles are to develop a fund-raising plan for the Magna Mater Project. Such a plan will be integrated and coordinated in any over- all fund raising plan developed for Nova Roma.

  • UTI ROGAS 25.
  • ABSTINEO 0.
  • ANTIQUO 1.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas. This too is absolutely necessary.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS, as a part of making Nova Roma more professional
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Uti rogas. This however should be self- evident part of actions.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas. I assume that we are voting to approve the development of a plan, and not voting for the execution of any element of that plan.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas.
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Uti Rogas
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Uti rogas
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo: UTI ROGAS

5.

In addition to specified allocations for different project goals, the establishment of an operating fund for the Aediles to use at their discretion, in order to cover incidental administrative costs.This fund shall come from no more than seven per cent (7%) of all funds received for the project in any given year, prior to allocationto targeted goals.

  • UTI ROGAS 21.
  • ABSTINEO 1.
  • ANTIQUO 4.

Item passed.

Comments:

  • [MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: Adsentior uti rogas. This provision will give the Aediles and their Quaestores the flexibility needed for contract maintainance. The provision especially takes into consideration certain costs that we may incur, as with banking fees related specifically to the Aedilician Fund. In meeting our obligations in a timely manner we thus look to prevent any delays of the project due to our own failing. The money comes from the Aedilicia Fund itself, and does not impinge on funds set aside for other projects. It instead informs any potential contributor what is the maximum proporation of any donation that would go to meet Project Management costs. If we tell a partner that we shall pay X amount, then the Aedilis needs additional money set aside for him to cover the cost of bank transfers or for any other fees. It is also the responsibility of the Aediles to maintain records of the MMP, and this too can at times runs into small fees. We are providing the money needed by the Aediles to be flexible and also controlling just how flexible we shall allow the Aediles to be with the total fund.
  • [KFBQ] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus: UTI ROGAS, with the arguments of the Consul maior I will support this!
  • [KFBM] Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus: Uti Rogas.
  • [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus: UTI ROGAS
  • [PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius: UTI ROGAS
  • [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: ANTIQUO
  • [MIS] Marcus Iulius Severus:VTI ROGAS
  • [MCC] Marcus Curiatius Complutensis:VTI ROGAS
  • [MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus:VTI ROGAS
  • [CCS] Gaius Curius Saturninus:Antiquo. There is no need for this.
  • [MLA] Marcus Lucretius Agricola:Uti rogas. I assume that we are voting to approve the development of a plan, and not voting for the execution of any element of that plan.
  • [GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas:UTI ROGAS
  • [JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna:Uti Rogas
  • [TIS] Titus Iulius Sabinus:Uti rogas. Somehow this operating fund can avoid bureaucracy in some unwished emergency situations.
  • [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato: UTI ROGAS
  • [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus:UTI ROGAS
  • [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:Uti Rogas
  • [AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia:Uti Rogas.
  • [ATS] Aula Tullia Scholastica:Vti rogas
  • [MHM] Marca Hortensia Maior: UTI ROGAS
  • [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior:Abstineo.
  • [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus:ANTIQVO
  • [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar:VTI ROGAS
  • [TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:UTI ROGAS
  • [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica:Antiquo. There is no need for this
  • [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo: UTI ROGAS These monies must of course be well accounted for, in keeping with our responsibility to the assidui/benefactors, for this privilege to continue.
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